Anyone remember 'The Spur Posse'?

[devilgrrl]

Those assholes who got there rocks off nailing girls for points. I wonder what happened to those losers and if karma ever caught up with any of them?

[tigereye]

1. I remember that

I bet that sort of thing is still pretty common, sad to say. But I hope it kept them from getting much more... female companionship!

[KissMyAsscroft]

2. Why is that so horrible?

Ever seen Sex and the City? Whats the difference? It's only scummy when men have meaninless sexual escapades? As long as it was consenual, who cares.

[devilgrrl]

3. Are you fucking kidding me?

So what you're saying that if your son went around trying to get some girl with a low self-esteem to give it up for laughs, you're down with that?

You're a tool!

[sniffa]

4. i remember

and we were inspired to set up our own point system, which we caLLed the 'spurs posse game'

[devilgrrl]

6. They also preyed on the most vunerable girls...

Then made fun of them afterwards! But that's okay, right folks?

You make me :puke:!

:argh:

[sniffa]

7. oh you poor thing

here, Let me comfort you. i swear i'LL caLL you in the morning.

[devilgrrl]

9. You're a loser... <PLONK>

that how you get broads?

[sniffa]

10. i buy them a roofie-coLada

works everytime

[dawg]

22. Dude, that ain't funny.

n/t

[KissMyAsscroft]

16. You obviously live in a cave...

All guys go around trying to get girls to "give it up"...since the beginning of time. Should they be listening to Wagner and reaing poetry? Yes. Are teenage boys going to continue to try and get laid? Yes. And it stands to reason that the girls most likely to "give it up" are those with self esteem issues.

Now explain to me why it is bad when guys do it, but ok when girls do it?

Oh that's right, women are poor innocent victims. They would never have dirty consensual sex for kicks...they are all made of sugar and spice and everything nice.

You must be the most naive person on earth.

[Taverner]

44. Nope...and I'm not down with

the women on SITC going after some guy because of his earnings either.

Pretty similar.

[geniph]

5. They've all busy popping their vancyclovir

and getting penicillin shots.

[GOPisEvil]

8. What a bunch of dopes!

And they picked my favorite basketball team as their "posse" name, too.

I remember them being interviewed on "Dateline". They came across as a bunch of assholes.

[devilgrrl]

11. That's nothing...

Check out some of the responses to this question. Sounds like a few of their members are DUer's.

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[sniffa]

15. so

you wanna go grab a bite to eat? you can order anything off the 99cent menu.

[devilgrrl]

28. Well this explains a lot

[KissMyAsscroft]

17. More feminist spew...

Poor innocent victims...cry me a river...

From a devlgrrl too...haha...we should make laws that guys cant be jerks and take advantage of women...thats just sooooooo mean. But when girls do it..."You GO GIRL!"

Equal rights, equal responsibility..thats how it works devlgrrl. No one gets victim status. If the sex was consensual, than they have to live with the consequences. Maybe nex time they wont sleep with a hair gelled prick who listens to Color Me Badd.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. "Feminist spew"? Try turning the tables

Say that you want a meaningless quickie with no further commitment and she wants a meaningless quickie with no further commitment. You both get what you want. THAT's the Sex in the City scenario.

Suppose, however, that you're in an emotionally vulnerable situation (say you're new in town and don't know many people) and she does everything she can to make you believe that she's truly in love with you, and you start to fall in love with her. Cue the intense music, you go to bed together, and then the next day, she's not only trying the same routine on someone else but acts as if she's never seen you before. Here you've started to really care about her, and all she wanted was a meaningless quickie with no further commitment.

If that happened to you, you'd be posting a thread here in the Lounge about how all women are heartless bitches. Don't think you wouldn't.

Having seen Spur Posse types both as a student and as a teacher, I can tell you that they're more into the second scenario. It's no "fun" for them to go after the girls who are as into casual sex as they are. Where's the "prestige" in having sex with a girl who is ready to have sex with anyone? It's much more challenging and wins them more points with their buddies if they can seduce a scared virgin or convince some unpopular girl that they think she's desirable or prey upon the neediness of a girl who is mourning the death of a family member.

It's all done cynically, but in this case, only one side is in on the cynicism.

That's what's wrong with the Spur Posse mentality. It's not okay to take advantage of someone's emotional vulnerability--and emotional vulnerability makes people do some very strange things-- and if you say it's okay to seduce and dump anyone you want, then why is it not wrong to lie and bilk people out of their money?

[KissMyAsscroft]

23. Its the same thing...

Once again...it's her decision to have sex or not...nothing in your post changes that simple fact.

Cry me a river. Women sleep with who they want to. She's new in town? Poor baby. Read a book at the library. Since when does being new in town neccessitate being a ho?

Only one side in on the cynicism? More feminist garbage. Women are victims...thats all Im hearing here. They need to be protected and felt sorry for...but they also want equal rights...which is it? Its one or the other, you dont get both!

I dont feel sorry for anyone that makes a decision to sleep with someone if its of their own free will. Whats so hard to understand about that?

[GOPisEvil]

13. I guess they'd feel differently if it were their daughter or sister.

Any "game" that involves belittling others isn't something I'd be proud of.

:thumbsdown:

[KissMyAsscroft]

18. No I wouldnt.

I would wonder why my daughter or sister was choosing to date trash.

If they forced her to do something against her will, I would kill them.

[GOPisEvil]

24. So it's ok to use people for your own enjoyment?

Nice.

[KissMyAsscroft]

25. No, its equally wrong for both sexes...

I dont give either sex victim status. You are having a hard time comprehending this arent you?

You have sex with someone, there are CONSEQUENCES. Dificult concept for feminists to understand because they want to whine about how evil men are while refusing to take any responsibility for their own actions.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

20. Joan Didion writes about this in her latest book....

"Where I was From"

Mostly about Sacramento, but also addresses "Lakewood" and the Spur Posse.

Seems like things went bad for them. Divorice, etc....these people where on the downward slide, economically and socially, so.....

[dawg]

21. I agree with you, devilgrrl.

I'm just old fashioned, I guess, but I don't think its right to use people like that. People are wrong to treat sex like its no big deal - just a game for their amusement.

[KissMyAsscroft]

26. Unless you are a woman, than nobody cares...

You were an evil mysogynist man who had it coming, and the poor innocent woman never meant to hurt you. So stop being a crybaby, right?

[GOPisEvil]

27. Uh, we were talking about a specific situation.

The Spur Posse (all males) using a bunch of women as a tool for their own entertainment. They treated these women badly. That's the only point. I'm not extrapolating to society in general. I'm making a judgement about these individuals and any individual whose actions intentionally demean or belittle others for enjoyment. It's just wrong.

[devilgrrl]

29. These were also High School kids...

unlike adults featured in episodes of 'Sex & the City'

[KissMyAsscroft]

30. So were the women.

High school girls sleeping with the bad boy high school boys...WHAT A NEW CONCEPT! Ever seen the movie GREASE?

So are these girls not responsible for their own bodies?

Let me guess...you are pro-choice because its a woman's body!!!! Unless she has sex with an asshole, than it's everyone's business. You are saying that these men are responsible for the decisions these women make.

A better question would be this "Why do women sleep with assholes?"

[KissMyAsscroft]

31. And I was making the point that this isnt news!

People use each other every day! Why is this news?!

Because it was a bunch of GOOD LOOKING GUYS WHO WOMEN WANT TO SLEEP WITH! They didnt have to force them! The women WANTED to sleep with these idiots! Why hold it against the guys and not the girls?! Why are the women VICTIMS? THATS MY POINT! What is so hard to understand about this!?????

[Lydia Leftcoast]

32. It must be wonderful to be so young or living so much in your head

or spared the task of picking up the pieces when an emotionally fragile friend is treated like a used condom by a clever and deceptive seducer that you have no idea what I'm talking about.

You talk as if male-female relationships would be perfect if only everyone were as logical and strong-minded as you are.

At age 53, I can spot the clever creeps a mile off and even laugh at them, but the type of high school student whom they target is not only vulnerable but stepped in a popular culture that tells her that she's nothing without a boyfriend. If you haven't seen how teenage hormones and emotional instability can override logic and common sense, maybe you haven't seen enough teenagers.

It occurs to me that you may have been used and dumped by the female counterpart of a Spur Posse member at some time in your past, and got no sympathy, and if so, that was wrong, too.

Playing cynical games with people's emotions is cruel and contemptible, and it's totally different than a fling between two consenting partners who are both playing by the same rules. It's not the sex that's wrong--it's the emotional betrayal.

[KissMyAsscroft]

34. You refuse to see women as equals.

"but the type of high school student whom they target is not only vulnerable but stepped in a popular culture that tells her that she's nothing without a boyfriend"


>>>What about the boys that are steeped in pop culture telling them to be a mysoginist asshole?

Oh yeah, thats right....WOMEN ARE VICTIMS.


"It occurs to me that you may have been used and dumped by the female counterpart of a Spur Posse member at some time in your past, and got no sympathy,"


>>>> Of course I have! Every guy that has dated during high school got used and dumped and treated like garbage! And you know what? No one wrote an article about it! I learned from my mistakes...Yep...its called.....wait for it.....TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR MY OWN DECISIONS!!!!

But of course, women dont have to do that because they are VICTIMS.

"Playing cynical games with people's emotions is cruel and contemptible"

>>>> And there are these cruel assholes of BOTH sexes. So what does that tell you? Be careful who you date! Dont sleep with a guy if you dont want to deal with the consequences!

"It's not the sex that's wrong--it's the emotional betrayal."

>>Tell that to my exes who screwed me over! Oh..thats right...IM A GUY! I dont NEED AN ARTICLE WRITTEN ABOUT PEOPLE WHO SCREWED ME OVER!

But these were POOR, PRECIOUS, WITTLE BABY GIRLS!!!!..HOW SAD!!!



cry...me....a.....river. Feminists fought for years to control their own bodies and you want to coddle them like they are people who cant control themselves and are at the mercy of men!

Personal Freedom=Personal Responsibilty.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

35. In other words, it was done to you, you didn't like it, so

you don't have to have sympathy for anyone. Frankly, you're talking the way Republicans talk about poor people.

The last time I checked, it was not considered moral or ethical to take advantage of anyone's weakness (and not all women are as enlightened as the feminist ideal would like, even if you find it handy to beat up on that straw woman). You know, those old people should know enough not to give their life savings to the sweet-talking swindler, but we still punish swindlers if we catch them.

If you can't grasp that simple concept, then I have nothing more to say to you.

[KissMyAsscroft]

36. No, it would be EQUALLY AS BAD>

Therefore....now this is where it gets tricky....IT WOULDNT BE A STORY.

The story is this..."Big mean boys treat these poor girls AWFUL, Arent they assholes? Who would do this to a pretty girl?!!!!"

My whole point is that it is only a story because it happened to a girl!

VICTIM STATUS is what I dont agree with.

[MrSlayer]

33. My bandmates and I did the same thing long before the Spur Posse.

We never forced anyone into anything. If they are willing then I fail to see what the big deal is. It takes two to tango. I thought sexual independence is one of the things feminists stood for.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

37. Yeah, you had groupies

as do many men who are in the public eye a lot. I once dated a man who was highly visible, and he had to fight off the women with a stick.

That's different from taking a homely or borderline retarded girl, telling her you love her, buying her presents, getting her into bed (because she's so desperate to be loved that she'll do anything for you), and then dumping and ridiculing her.

[KissMyAsscroft]

39. Who says he didnt do that?

What did these guys do? Lots of guys tell girls whatever they want to hear to get them in bed....girls do the SAME THING.

The problem is you refuse to see women as equals. That's why this isnt making any sense to you.

[MrSlayer]

43. I agree, that is very different situation.

Taking sexual advantage of retarded people is criminal and manipulating anyone in the above circustance is just heartless. Doing such things in my crew would not gain you respect and would definitely get you a severe asskicking. I believe you have a valid point here, those guys are scum.

[KissMyAsscroft]

38. Good Lord! We have a WINNER!!!!

DING DING DING DING DING!!!

TELL THIS MAN WHAT HE HAS WON!

[KissMyAsscroft]

40. Thats not what feminists wanted...

They wanted equal rights and victim status. They don't want equal responsibility.

[cally]

41. No that is not what women wanted

It's the Playboy ideal of what women wanted. What we want is to honor and respect our sexuality.

I wish you would do some research on the Spur Posse. See my post below. I lived through it-partially- and I would hope you would not defend them.

[cally]

42. I don't know but I lived a mile away from that

HS at the time. I know the victims were ostracized and the boys were made out to be heros. The whole culture was centered around sports, male conquest, and bullying. Much like Columbine. The community was divided, horrified, and not knowing how to respond. Many years later, there are still repercussions. (I don't live there anymore.)

[devilgrrl]

45. The Good Guys

The Good Guys

BYLINE: By ANNA QUINDLEN

Before another television talk show hands out money to chat with the members of the Spur Posse, the lowlife band of high school jocks who measured their own self-worth in terms of how many meaningless sexual encounters they'd had, the people who produce and host the shows should acknowledge something about their guests.

And that is that as surely as if they were paying white supremacists to come on and spew garbage about black people, they are enriching those who happily represent the worst and most distorted view of an entire class of human beings.

And I don't mean women, although the teen-aged members of this sexual street gang treated girls like garbage while they were passing them around and trashing them afterwards.

The Posse members reflect a demeaning and insulting view of men, and the good guys, wherever they are, should rise up and say that that view stinks.

The ethos of this bunch of boys from a California suburb is part of a continuum that has played itself out over the last few months. Their cousins, metaphorically speaking, were the jocks in Glen Ridge, N.J., who were accused of using, among other things, a baseball bat on a retarded neighbor in a group sexual assault in the basement of a tidy family home.

more> http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~py104vc/TheGoodGuys.htm

[KissMyAsscroft]

46. Why wasnt the article titled..."Slutty Girls Sleeping with Trashy Guys"

?