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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 07:15 PM
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RepUKKes use this Winston Churchill quote all the time and it's not true
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 07:26 PM by billbuckhead
"Conservative by the time you're 35"

"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." There is no record of anyone hearing Churchill say this. Paul Addison of Edinburgh University makes this comment: "Surely Churchill can't have used the words attributed to him. He'd been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35! and would he have talked so disrespectfully of Clemmie, who is generally thought to have been a lifelong Liberal."

<http://www.winstonchurchill.org/i4a/pages/index.cfm?pageid=112>

I've heard William Gladstone said something like this, but in reverse order so that the older wiser person was a liberal. I've been trying to find the quote, but haven't been able to.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 07:21 PM
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1. It's an old folksaying
They just don't know of anyone who was ever quoted besided Churchill.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 07:26 PM
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2. William Gladstone had a great quote about Liberals vs Conservatives ...
"Liberalism is trust of the people, tempered by prudence; conservatism, distrust of people, tempered by fear."

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 07:35 PM
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3. Gladstone seems to me to be one of the greatest liberal politicians
Edited on Tue Jul-06-04 07:35 PM by billbuckhead
4 times prime minister.

"William Ewart Gladstone (1809 - 1898)





William Ewart Gladstone ©

Four-time prime minister of Great Britain, Gladstone remained a vigorous campaigner until his death.



Having been persuaded against a career in the Church, Gladstone was elected to Parliament in 1832, as a Tory. He made his mark from the start and held minor office in Peel's government of 1834-35. In July 1839 he married Catherine. The two maintained a 'rescue' home for prostitutes and Gladstone would, famously, trawl London streets at night, trying to persuade prostitutes to start a new life.


Although he was slowly moving towards liberalism, in 1843 he entered Peel's Conservative cabinet. However, in 1852 he joined Aberdeen's Whig government as Chancellor of the Exchequer, a position he would ultimately hold three times. His efforts to extend the franchise failed and ended the government in 1866. Two years later, the Liberals were back, with Gladstone in charge. Queen Victoria, who disliked him personally, was forced to ask him to become prime minister.

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MajorFlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-06-04 07:51 PM
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4. I thought that was Malcolm Muggeridge's line. n/t
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