Should smokers receive the death penalty?

[Renew Deal]

There has been lots of controversy here about smoking bans. Lets cut through the BS and get to the point. Should smokers have to walk the green mile?

[havocmom]

1. they give themselves the death penalty

I just resent it when they tried to take everyone else with them. I like smoking bans in public buildings. I have respritory problems, likely caused by damage done when I was growing up in a home with smokers. No kids should have that sentence placed on them.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

2. Yeah... like he said... why bother

.45 to the head, cigarette... one is fast and messy, the other one is slow and painful

you do the math.

[Snoggera]

3. When I quit

I'll let you know the true answer to this question.

[Susang]

4. Why bother?

They're already killing themselves. All I ask is that they refrain from taking me with them.

[jus_the_facts]

5. NO......but feel free to FRY the owners o' PHILLIP MORRIS......

....and all the other PUSHERS that developed cigarettes into the addictive poison they are today! :smoke: :nopity:

[trigz]

60. That is very true. (nt)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. Yes..so should people who drive slow in the fast lane

[AntiCoup2K4]

8. Now THAT has my vote!

People who want to win the "Lawrence Welk 500" and drive the slowest on the highway can stay the fuck out of the left lane.

[notadmblnd]

47. and the people who have no apparent place to go

and no time to be there all the while cutting you off in their minivan... they need to be shot too... they get no twinkies.. no hoho's... no last requests.. just shot!

[ForrestGump]

9. People who don't know they have a low beam and people

who don't use indicators (especially when they're in oncoming traffic and you're waiting in vain for them to pass, so that you can turn left...or right, in countries where people drive on the left). These people need to be dealt with.

[LynneSin]

16. and people who refuse to use their turn signals

:mad:

BURN IN HELL!!!

[Misunderestimator]

20. And.... so should people who throw trash out of the car while driving...

[jobycom]

7. Only if they smoke around others

That takes it from a personal choice to assault with intent to kill.

[Dirk39]

10. Hello from Germany,

I can't resist:
Smokers are cheaper for health-inssurance companies than non-smokers: these evil parasite nonsmokers...
(In Great Britain, some private health-insurrance companies take less money from smokers than from non-smokers, 'cause they are cheaper in the long run.)

And if I would stop smoking, at least 3 people, who have to somehow get along with me, would commit suicide.

And on the other hand, when it comes to modern prohibition, just look at what has become of New York: First they attacked smokers, than they attacked dancing. And now New York has become one of the most boring places on earth. Only postmodern shopping-malls left...
It's not me, who combined smoking, fun, freedom and an atmosphere, where human beings can breath and live and talk and move.
The puritan Americans did it,
There's so much more money to be made with real drugs and Prozac and cocaine.

Peace,
Dirk

[silverlib]

11. Bless you my friend! (eom)

[Djinn]

12. I thought Australian were bad

with all the wailing and teeth knashing about smokers (whilst their V8 which they drive five minutes down the road to buy milk is idling in the driveway and the aircon/heater inside are blasting away 24/7) but jesus by the looks of DU lately (and yes I realise THIS thread is joking - sort of) the Americans have it all over us for the smoke nazi's.

[jpgray]

13. Give me that cigarette! Now eat shitty food and pop Paxil immediately!

Just kidding folks. :D

[Magrittes Pipe]

14. As the late Bill Hicks said:

I realize now that I smoke for only one reason and that reason is spite. I hate you non-smokers with all of my little black fucking heart. You obnoxious, self-righteous, whining little maggots. My biggest fear if I quit smoking is that I'll become one of you.

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.

[sus]

36. hey al..you *really* need to learn how to form an opinion.

don't sugarcoat it, man! speak your mind!

:)

[Susang]

50. Gee, and what did Bill Hicks die of?

Pancreatic cancer at age 33. Talk about cutting off your nose to "spite" your face. :eyes:

"Although scientists to not know exactly what causes cancer of the pancreas, they are learning that some things increase a person's chance of getting this disease. Smoking is a major risk factor. Research shows that cigarette smokers develop cancer of the pancreas two to three times more often than nonsmokers. Quitting smoking reduces the risk of pancreatic cancer, lung cancer, and a number of other diseases."

http://www.medicinenet.com/Pancreatic_Cancer/page1.htm

[Mnemosyne]

15. No. there are WAY more poisons in the air, that are WAY

more toxic. Check out Mercury levels, etc. in atmosphere. This just gives people something to bitch about.

Allergy and Asthma have increased in this country as smoking has decreased, maybe you should execute your SUV's, etc.



BTW: Are those your real ears or are you just glad to see me???!!!

seriously, are those ears real or photo shop?
if real, awesome cat, otherwise cute kitty!

[LynneSin]

17. my father got his death penalty at age 41

I'm sure if he had to do it over again he would have never picked up the smoking habit when he was 13

[Misunderestimator]

21. Sorry to hear that....

Awfully young to lose your father... :hug:

[LynneSin]

24. Thanks hun

I was 14 and I've learn to deal with it but folks aren't going to get too much sympathy about the smoking bans. I live in Delaware and I love it.

I don't care that people smoke in their own homes, cars or outside. But I do mind when they are smoking in a public building where other non-smokers are located.

But what bothers me most is when I see adults smoking around their children. I was told my father would smoke all the time in the house, the car and around my older brother (he's 4 years older than me). My mother made him stop when she was pregnant with me so I never had the exposure to his smoke that my brother had. Now maybe I'm grasping for straws, but my brother has the worst Asthma and other allergies imaginable but I have never experienced any of those problems other than sniffles on really bad pollen days. I really believe that parents should smoke away from their kids. My dad would only smoke in the garage if the garage door was opened, on the patio or in his car (which we kids were rarely allowed to ride in and if we were in there he wouldn't smoke.) My dad, however, was allowed to smoke while he worked which was for the PA State Game Commission.

If anyone needs the best reason to quit smoking just look at your kids. It sucks not having my father and I wouldn't want any other child to go through what I had to deal with

Thanks for your wishes :hug:

[Loonman]

18. Execute bus drivers, truckers, factory owners, airline owners,too

Nobody looses more shit in the sky then they do.

Second-hand smoke is negligible compared to the amount of filth they spread.

[Misunderestimator]

23. Let's just effing execute everyone!

Because we ALL pollute the environment with our bigotry, and hate, and smoke, and trash, and selfishness... besides our toxic need for bigger and bigger vehicles to make ourselves feel like we're living. I'd love to see how many Americans would be left if we just got rid of everyone who offended anyone else.

[BigMcLargehuge]

19. Non-smokers die everyday. Everyday!

I know the non-smokers here don't believe it, but it's true... They drop dead of heart attacks, get cancer (even lung cancer), succumb to old age, strokes...

They die, we all die...

[jukes]

61. BigMcLargehuge

amen.

i don't object to smoking bans, though i've recently re-acquired the habit. since i'm as reclusive as is reasonably possible, ban away. i can make it out of the grocery before i jones for a butt. some areas have bans on ANY public smoking, even in open air. i doubt the ppm of hydrocarbons caused by smoking in a public building is actually measurable, or significant unless some1 blows their smoke right in your face. in which case, i object more to their rudeness than their smoke.

i have noticed that the most vocal exponents (w/the exception of those who have experienced a personal tragedy) prefer wailing whilst consuming their favorite beverage; say, a nice "smokey" double malt, before they jump into their vehicle of choice & zoom down the road spewing acceptable filth into the air, talking on their cell and endangering the public w/ their lack of attention.

there are more important issues in life than controlling some1 else's vices. smoking in public places? ok, there is *some* evidence (most media-crusades are based on anecdote or stats gathered by junk-science research) that 2nd hand smoke is a problem. so is inhaling the moist, bug infested exhalation of others, smokers & non. perhaps we shd legislate breathing in public?

i submit that laissez faire coddling of the chemical industry negates any gain by banning smoking,

that said, the poisons acceptable to the government & the exclusion of other poisons wd be ludicrous, if not for the fact that our prisons are full of people that have perpetrated the crime of smoking 1 thing rather than another. lives ruined by the capricious meddling of do-gooders.

modern life is a piss-poor joke of sidestepping the interference of society in our personal lives. oppression of smokers is just the flavor-of-the month.

[johnnie]

22. I like smoking

I do my best not to give others "second hand smoke" unless I am at a restaurant and watching someone eat red meat, deep fried everything and slopping butter all over their bread and lobster tails, then I just figure the person is clogging their arteries and screwing up their heart much faster than smoking, so my little bit of smoke won't hurt them much. And when I am at a bar and I see people pickling their brains and killing brain cells by sloshing down cheap alcohol by the gallons, I don't feel as bad then.
Anti-smokers are funny, but irritating. If the same energy, money and whining was used to attack the true polluters of the air we breath, the water we drink and the food we eat, we would all live a longer and happier life...even us that smoke.

[LynneSin]

25. Yes, but they are clogging their own arteries...

...those sitting around them will not be affected by it also.

We all have our 'nasty little habits' but others shouldn't have to suffer with them. I wouldn't care if smokers sat next to me if they had a way that the smoke would stay in their personal space (maybe a helmet on their head to encase all the smoke)

[johnnie]

27. I guess my bit of sarcasm is aimed at the hypocrisy of most people

They might be doing it to themselves, but because of their lack of respect for their bodies they drive my health insurances sky high because of the health issues they develop. And if the ones that are filling their arteries and heart with fat have a heart attack behind the wheel of their car, they could run me over. The people who are drinking all that cheap liquor could also get behind the wheel and run me over.
As I said, I really do try to do my best to not bother people with my smoking, but I think that the whole thing is way overblown.

[LynneSin]

28. We all have a lack of respect for our bodies in one way or another

Come on, we all have vices that affect the cost of insurance (which is affected by greedy corporate types looking at the bottom dollar to help make them the most money off of us).

I appreciate where you're coming from but I did not find it amusing that you would want to smoke around someone clogging their arteries with undesirable foods. I've watched one man (my father) die a slow rotting death from lung & brain cancer due to the affects of his smoking. I have another uncle who no longer has part of his tongue and jaws because of his smoking related cancer. Believe me, it was not desirable watching any of these folks go through this. If your choice of death is by cigerettes that's fine but do NOT make it someone elses choice too.

[johnnie]

31. I'm sorry about your family members

And my post was in no way to be taken as humor. It was cynical and sarcastic based on the fact that I have watched people kill themselves with much more than smoke. The big corporations are killing us with the crap they call food and what they put in our air and water.
The diet of this country sucks and the large food manufacturers are killing massive amounts of people every year. The meat and dairy industry is not as regulated as much as they should be, but our Government spends millions on anti-cigarette ads instead of looking in to the crap that people put in to their bodies each day. Instead of people condemning me, the smoker, they should be spending more time looking in to what is really polluting their bodies.
I also believe that the diet we have plays a large part in the chemical imbalances that has driven the anti-depressant market in to a billion dollar industry.
As I said, my post was just to state my opinion on the anti-smoking and second hand smoke campaign while thousands of other non-smokers are being poisoned in a much more intense way than my second hand smoke will ever do. But smokers are easy targets because it is the politically correct thing to do. I don't advocate smoking and I know it isn't a good thing for anyone, but it's my choice to do it and as long as I don't go around blowing smoke in non-smokers faces I don't feel I am one of the main problems with other people's health.

[LynneSin]

32. When you can find a way to smoke that contains your pollutants

then I'll defend your right to smoke until the ends of the earth. But for now it's a filthy disgusting habit. I get so sick and tired of all the smokers whining "But the eaters, the fatty food, etc". Get over it!! I can purge myself with the grossest of foods but as long as I don't OD on too much dairy products (really bad gas) then what I do to my body will only affect me!!!

YOu commented about the drinker getting in the car, you do realize there are laws that make this illegal. Sure, some asshole still gets in the car after downing one too many but that asshole will pay the price and the laws and getting stricter and even going back to the bars that overserve.

So amuse yourself with your corny little beliefs that somehow justify your pollutant because there are other pollutants out there. Normally I don't get so high & mighty with smokers but in your case I'll make the exception. You're just another smoker who blames everyone else for the world ills and justifies putting over 500+ know additives many of them carcinogenic into their bodies and anyone else who happens to be standing next to them including:

Acetanisole
Acetic Acid
Acetoin
Acetophenone
6-Acetoxydihydrotheaspirane
2-Acetyl-3- Ethylpyrazine
2-Acetyl-5-Methylfuran
Acetylpyrazine
2-Acetylpyridine
3-Acetylpyridine
2-Acetylthiazole
Aconitic Acid
dl-Alanine
Alfalfa Extract
Allspice Extract,Oleoresin, and Oil
Allyl Hexanoate
Allyl Ionone
Almond Bitter Oil
Ambergris Tincture
Ammonia
Ammonium Bicarbonate
Ammonium Hydroxide
Ammonium Phosphate Dibasic
Ammonium Sulfide
Amyl Alcohol
Amyl Butyrate
Amyl Formate
Amyl Octanoate
alpha-Amylcinnamaldehyde
Amyris Oil
trans-Anethole
Angelica Root Extract, Oil and Seed Oil
Anise
Anise Star, Extract and Oils
Anisyl Acetate
Anisyl Alcohol
Anisyl Formate
Anisyl Phenylacetate
Apple Juice Concentrate, Extract, and Skins
Apricot Extract and Juice Concentrate
1-Arginine
Asafetida Fluid Extract And Oil
Ascorbic Acid
1-Asparagine Monohydrate
1-Aspartic Acid
Balsam Peru and Oil
Basil Oil
Bay Leaf, Oil and Sweet Oil
Beeswax White
Beet Juice Concentrate
Benzaldehyde
Benzaldehyde Glyceryl Acetal
Benzoic Acid, Benzoin
Benzoin Resin
Benzophenone
Benzyl Alcohol
Benzyl Benzoate
Benzyl Butyrate
Benzyl Cinnamate
Benzyl Propionate
Benzyl Salicylate
Bergamot Oil
Bisabolene
Black Currant Buds Absolute
Borneol
Bornyl Acetate
Buchu Leaf Oil
1,3-Butanediol
2,3-Butanedione
1-Butanol
2-Butanone
4(2-Butenylidene)-3,5,5-Trimethyl-2-Cyclohexen-1-One
Butter, Butter Esters, and Butter Oil
Butyl Acetate
Butyl Butyrate
Butyl Butyryl Lactate
Butyl Isovalerate
Butyl Phenylacetate
Butyl Undecylenate
3-Butylidenephthalide
Butyric Acid]
Cadinene
Caffeine
Calcium Carbonate
Camphene
Cananga Oil
Capsicum Oleoresin
Caramel Color
Caraway Oil
Carbon Dioxide
Cardamom Oleoresin, Extract, Seed Oil, and Powder
Carob Bean and Extract
beta-Carotene
Carrot Oil
Carvacrol
4-Carvomenthenol
1-Carvone
beta-Caryophyllene
beta-Caryophyllene Oxide
Cascarilla Oil and Bark Extract
Cassia Bark Oil
Cassie Absolute and Oil
Castoreum Extract, Tincture and Absolute
Cedar Leaf Oil
Cedarwood Oil Terpenes and Virginiana
Cedrol
Celery Seed Extract, Solid, Oil, And Oleoresin
Cellulose Fiber
Chamomile Flower Oil And Extract
Chicory Extract
Chocolate
Cinnamaldehyde
Cinnamic Acid
Cinnamon Leaf Oil, Bark Oil, and Extract
Cinnamyl Acetate
Cinnamyl Alcohol
Cinnamyl Cinnamate
Cinnamyl Isovalerate
Cinnamyl Propionate
Citral
Citric Acid
Citronella Oil
dl-Citronellol
Citronellyl Butyrate
itronellyl Isobutyrate
Civet Absolute
Clary Oil
Clover Tops, Red Solid Extract
Cocoa
Cocoa Shells, Extract, Distillate And Powder
Coconut Oil
Coffee
Cognac White and Green Oil
Copaiba Oil
Coriander Extract and Oil
Corn Oil
Corn Silk
Costus Root Oil
Cubeb Oil
Cuminaldehyde
para-Cymene
1-Cysteine
http://quitsmoking.about.com/cs/nicotineinhaler/a/cigingredients.htm

[johnnie]

33. Wow..I guess I didn't make a friend here

You need to lighten up just a little. I was trying to keep my opinion light at first because this debate is like kicking a dead horse. Every single person on this planet is entitled to their own opinions and I am not one to worry if someone agrees with me or not.
I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers and I am sorry if I came off like an asshole. I still stand by my "corny little beliefs" that there are many more things in this world to worry about than if Johnnie smokes or not. Chance are you will never get enough of my second hand smoke to make a difference in your life, or anyone you personally know for that matter.
I do feel privileged that you made an exception with me though. And honestly, I am sorry if I pissed you off in any way. I respect your beliefs and opinions on this matter.

[LynneSin]

34. I won't get enough of your smoke to kill me

because I do not hang around people while they smoke. But I do know of folks who have been affected by second hand smoke, many who have worked in the hospitality business where they had no choice but to be exposed to the smoke. My brother also suffers from severe Asthma and Allergies, probably triggered from the fact that our father didn't quit smoking around us kids until I was born (which I do not suffer from the same respiratory problems). Yes, I know I wasn't born yet, but it was the family doctor who asked my father not smoke around my brother and this information was passed on to me when I had asked 'Why does daddy go outside to smoke?'

Johnnie can smoke all he wants but johnnie needs to not judge his smoking based on what other folks are doing. Sorry to come off like some PSA commericial but I've lived through the damage of what smoking can do to a family and the affects are real

[Mnemosyne]

51. AMEN!!!!

[tjwash]

37. Here also.

Two of my cousins died from lung cancer, long time smokers. My aunt died at SIXTY. That is way to freakin' young, smoked three packs a day. My other aunt, 2 packs a day, is 62, and in a hospice with cancer. My father had part of his throat removed with cancer, he liked Kool filter kings.

BTW, all the red meat eaters, and butter sloppers are doing just fine.

With all that history in my family I still got the habit. I quit 7 years ago, after the aunt died of lung cancer, and a coworker who was my age had a triple bypass (smoker also)

[SiouxJ]

39. If those people got stinky grease all over you when they ate

that stuff I would understand your reasoning.

My main problem with smoking is the smell. If there were a way to stop the SMELL from getting to me I could care less what you do. This is the point a lot of smokers don't get. They use that tired old argument about "do gooders" wanting to legislate their health. Newsflash - I COULD CARE LESS ABOUT YOUR HEALTH! Your smoke gets up MY nose and in MY clothes and in MY hair and the smell gives me a headache! So then they'll say - well, just don't go places where people smoke. Right, I should stay locked in my house so that the less than 25% of the population that smokes can smoke wherever they want. Seems a little unfair to me.

I think the main problem is (and I've had this verified by former smokers), you don't realize how bad the smell is. You're immune. It's like being around someone who has just eaten garlic, only those who also have eaten garlic are not offended by it. People who smoke don't even realize that their mail smells of smoke! I can always tell when a someone smokes when I open mail from them. It gets into everything.

I love to go out and socialize but I find more and more I decide not to go down to the bars or to the casinos because I'm tired of coming home smelling like a chimney. I have to put all my clothes outside when I get home or the whole house stinks. My car will stink for days after as well. It gives me a headache so I have to get rid of it. It gets to a point where it's just not worth it.


The other thing is, you can't escape it. Even if I stay home, my neighbor smokes and it drifts into my house. If I don't want to roast to death at work I have to open my office window and people will stand right by my window and smoke! I've had to go out and ask them to move. There just seems to be no escape.

Imagine running into something you find totally distasteful, like say, the smell of shit, (because that's just how distasteful it is to those of us who can't stand it), everywhere you go; even places you EAT at. Now imagine that after encountering that smell you go home with it on your clothes and in your hair. You can't get that shit smell out until you bathe and wash your clothes and air out your car. That's how annoying it is to those of us who really can't stand the smell of your smoke.

You cannot compare this with other vices and say stupid things like, "they won't want you to have sex or drink or eat greasy food next," because those things don't affect people around you in the same way. Those things are not going to "get on me" because you indulge in them. This is why us non-smokers hate it so much. Something you do gets on us and we don't like it. Think of it as smelly cooties.

I appreciate that you are considerate but it would be more considerate if you only smoked at home.

So, you see, I really don't care about legislating your health. I just would like to smell clean and be headache free. However, I DO agree with others here who have to work in the restaurant industry, that it's unfair that they have to endure unnecessary health hazards just to earn a living.

I really wish smoking would become a thing of the past.

[LynneSin]

40. Damn, I'm going to have you ghost write my posts

excellent

BTW, I'm assuming your state hasn't banned smoking yet in public places. I love it here in Delaware. I hated coming home and night and smelling like I was rolling around in a pile of ciggie butts and ashes. And my hair would just soak up the smoke. If I went out to a bar or someplace where they allowed smoking, the first thing I would do when I got home was to wash my clothes and take a shower. Believe me, if I went to sleep with that stuff on my body my entire bed would smell like an ashtray.

I love going to Philly bars but I can honestly say I really don't like going as much as I use to. Sure, half of it is chalked up to the fact that I am getting older, but the other half is mainly because I can go to a DE bar and not smell like shit when I get home

[SiouxJ]

41. Interestingly

I live in AZ, but not in Tempe which is (I believe) the only place it's illegal (in public places). But! Last year this little rural town I live in passed a measure to make it illegal in public places, mainly because we rely on tourism and so most of the work force is employed by bars and restaurants. It beat the opposing measure by a slim margin but now the pro-smoking people are already putting another proposition on the next ballot to over-turn it. They'll keep doing this until they stop it I'm afraid. They don't believe in majority rules.

on edit: the thing that pisses me off to no end is that whenever these things come up on a ballot, the tobacco companies bring in all this money and advertising people to help the smokers defeat them. Didn't work last time even with all their corporate funds. The grassroots effort against them prevailed. Yay for the little guys!

[LynneSin]

43. They're doing the same thing here in Delaware

In fact the leader of their group is running for governor but the guy 'claims' it's not because of the smoking ban. Yet everytime they take a poll about how folks in DE feel about the ban, First Staters overwhelmingly support the ban.

And I'm not normally a grump towards smokers, heck I've hung out with many smokers here at DU and every single one of them have been considerate of my non-smoking. When we had our gathering in Philly the last 2 times, we had the bar reserved for our group. Since both days were nice we asked smokers to go outside and no one had a problem with that (heck it was too nice to be inside).

We all have vices that are harmful to our bodies and many of us live in areas where the pollution alone will probably kill us. It's bad enough that I have to smell the stink of Wilmington DE but that's the price I pay to live in this city and work my job. But when it comes to smoking I can do something about eliminating that smell by asking folks to not do it around me or avoid places where folks are smoking.

We all need to try to get along!!! Thanks for your great story!

[SiouxJ]

46. My smoker friends are very considerate too

But I have to admit, I have very few friends who smoke anymore. Most have given it up.

Yes, we do need to try to get along. I always chat with the people next to me at Blackjack tables for example, even if they're blowing smoke my way. I'm never rude unless they get rude. If it gets too bad I just move or leave.

[LynneSin]

48. Funniest story about a smoker I ran into at a bar

Some girl, probably no more than 21 was sitting next to me at the bar. Mind you - she was with her group and I was with my group. She lit up a cigerette and then pushed the ashtray far away from her and held her cigerette as far away from her as she could. This resulted in her cigerette practically in my face since she was holding her arm behind her.

I leaned over, gently pushing the ashtray in front of her and asked her to not hold her cigerette so close to me.

her response:

"Sorry, I just don't like the smell of it"

:eyes:

Dumb idiot, why smoke if you can't stand the smell of it. She probably took up smoking so she could be cooler and fit in with the group but she can't stand the smell of it.

:crazy:

[SiouxJ]

49. That's so ridiculous!

yeah, could be she thought it made her look cool, or she might be addicted despite the smell. It wouldn't surprise me. If that's true, just think what that says about the power the tobacco companies have over smokers. They'll do it even if they can't stand the smell!

I have a business associate from Kentucky who started smoking at the age of 8 (he said that's typical there). He ended up on nicotine gum as he really wanted to quit. Problem is, he became addicted to the gum. He's chewed it constantly for years and every time I see him (twice a year at my trade show) I ask him if he's cut down on the gum and he always says no. Oh well, at least I can enjoy dinner with him :-) . He likes the fact that he doesn't stink anymore too :-) .

[BiggJawn]

26. Sure...And while we're at it, lets kill all the women who've laughed at me

...when I've "hit" on them. And people who try to bump me with their mirrors when I'm riding my bike, and dumb-ass gangsta-wanna-bees who have those loud car stereos, and those damn kids across the alley who make too damn much noise when they play outside, and.....

[tjwash]

38. Hey I'm kinda for...

...offing those loud obnoxious sub-woofer owners.



Lets go Paul Kersey on their asses.

[The Flaming Red Head]

29. Kill all the obese people and then the drinkers and then the smokers and

This reminds of the time I saw the fattest doctor in the world tell a man about to die of cirrhosis of the liver that he should have thought about not drinking years ago because now it was too late, and it was, and the man died the next day. Anyway fat ass got on his little scooter (he almost busted the tires he was so big) and rode to the cafeteria and ate his usual three cheese burger and large fry lunch.

[Renew Deal]

54. That's a true story?

[The Flaming Red Head]

55. I don't know if he was the fattest doctor in the world, but

he was pretty big.

[jukes]

62. Flaming Red Head

hi, welcome to the catacombs!

isn't hypocracy, and the way people justify effing w/others for their pet crusades interesting?



:hi:

[jukes]

30. how about

Eff you! (?)

love your smoking bunny/cat!

[sus]

35. it's sort of redundant, but sure! why not!

[HuckleB]

42. Hey, suicide is illegal, isn't it?

[Commendatori]

44. Leave us alone, we have less time to live anyway. (n/t)

[CTLawGuy]

45. people who write computer viruses

should get the DP.

[bigwillq]

52. I'm not sure I get the question

You ask if smokers should get the death penalty. For what?

If they "kill" someone because of second hand smoke.

I voted no in this poll because I think that the non-smokers have a choice as well to not be around people who do smoke. If someone lives with a smoker, they can ask the smoker to go outside. If they resist, then the non-smoker can choose to leave when that person is smoking.
If the non-smoker hates smoking so much, then they should associate with people who smoke.

My though process does not apply to children who were forced to live with smoking parents, etc..I think this is wrong but those parents or other family members still should not receive the death penalty.

BTW,I'm a smoker and I TOTALLY SUPPORT a smoking ban in all public places. We basically have that here in Connecticut. I love it and I don't think it's really violating my rights.

[geniph]

53. You know, if the tobacco companies had half a brain

instead of just a cash register, they'd develop a true smokeless cigarette. I could give a flying shit if someone wants to poison themself with that crap, but I don't want to smell it, ever. I'm asthmatic and so allergic that it gives me a headache if I see someone smoking on television (yes, that is hyperbole). Frigging smoke DRIFTS. It drifts from my neighbor's backyard into my bedroom window. It drifts from the car ahead of me into my car. It frigging stinks. I'd rather sniff raw sewage. Don't smokers realize how bad they smell? :puke:

Make a cigarette that only poisons the smoker, and I'd support your right to smoke 50 of the damn things at a time. Although it's beyond me how anyone can afford cigarettes - they're expensive!

[DemWitch]

56. In New York

we have heavy "sin taxes"... beer, cigarettes, etc. I figured it out one day, that I pay three times the taxes a non smoker does of the same wage bracket because I smoke. I figure that reason alone should give me the right to smoke when and whereever the hell I feel like it. If every smoker in NY quit tomorrow, the state would go bankrupt, taxes would go through the roof, and then us ex-smokers would get bitched at for screwing up the economy.

And why is it, it seems that the most virulent anti-smokers I know have no problem at all firing up a doobie? Hmmmmm?

[jukes]

63. DemWitch

hi, and welcome aboard!


:hi:

[Rhiannon12866]

57. You have taxed me beyond all reason and unspeakably harassed me

And now you want to KILL me?! What kind of progressive forum is this, anyway?!:shrug:

[Swamp Rat]

58. other

[Forkboy]

59. No one should ever recieve the death penalty

except maybe the person who doctored that photo :)