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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:21 PM
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I Loathe Republicans. I Despise Them. With Every Fiber Of My Being...
... I hate them all and everything they represent. They disgust me. I abhor their party, and I find their views to be repulsive. They anger me and nauseate me. Literally! Honestly! I get sick to my stomach whenever I have to listen to Bush* or see his face for any length of time.

Do I need help? Is this an unhealthy attitude? Am I no better than they for hating them so much? Am I alone?

-- Allen
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:22 PM
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1. It's called "seeing the light"
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elfwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:23 PM
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No Darlin...
I am right there with you. Everything these people stand for makes me sick. I cannot fathom the depth of their hate and disregard for others. I cannot understand why they feel the need to run other peoples' lives and don't do anything about their own despicable selves.

Allen sweetie -- you are not alone!
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:23 PM
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2. I'd be more worried about you
if you didn't loathe republicans.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:24 PM
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3. Well to be sure the repukes sure test my patience
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 12:24 PM by proud patriot
I work towards trying not to hate anyone .

I get weak , and will lose it calling them
facists at marches . protest warrior scumbukets .
:grr:

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DaveSZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:25 PM
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4. Are you the former Rush fan?
Talk about coming full circle.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:28 PM
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8. I Assume You Were Asking Me
... since I have mentioned a couple of times that in my angry period, I was indeed a Rush Limbaugh fan. Barf! It disgusts me to even think about it now.

-- Allen
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:56 PM
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24. We've all done things we don't like to think about....
you're free now....
doesn't it feel better?
I love converts...maybe I'll start another post.
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shadu Donating Member (889 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:26 PM
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39. I would never have guessed that
It takes a good mind to be able to re-evaluate
your position like that. Most people never could.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:53 PM
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47. I know he wasn't asking me
:puke: I've never been a rush fan :puke:
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:25 PM
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5. Mighty harsh for an ex-dittohead...
I still can't believe you were ever into listening to that blathering bag of hot gas. What kind of crack were you smoking?
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:26 PM
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6. You are NOT alone...
I used to be able to live and let live. The last 3 1/2 years have changed me though. It's not something I'm proud of or take pleasure in, but I no longer tolerate more than ONE WORD of their crap before I call them out. We see less of the neighbors these days...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:57 PM
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26. Their way or the highway
I used to be able to live and let live. The last 3 1/2 years have changed me though. It's not something I'm proud of or take pleasure in, but I no longer tolerate more than ONE WORD of their crap before I call them out. We see less of the neighbors these days...<<

Do they know why they hate us?... Or do they think that the anti-american sentiment in the mideast just came out of a box of cracker jacks or something. Maybe they like having a confrontational relationship with much of the rest of the world... ya know they can then be on the "right" side... and justify what this admin and previous admins have done the world over.

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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:26 PM
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7. You are not alone Allen
:hug:

I try not to hate because it's bad for my karma. But days like today it's hard to stick to that.

:hug:
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:28 PM
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9. Nope, you're not alone
Janeane Garafalo said on Jon Stewart that she saw voting for Bush as a character flaw nowadays. I feel the same way.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:29 PM
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10. I don't know how you'd handle it, Allen, if I were to invite
you to a cookout where I've also invited my neighbors across the street and my friend Jeanette. I guess if you were to feel like joining us, you'd have to get over this loathing. Otherwise, you'd have a miserable time among lovely people whose only difference is our political opinions.

IMO life's too short to hate anyone.
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:35 PM
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12. That's OK, Allen
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 12:36 PM by fudge stripe cookays
Skip Bert's cookout and come to our all-liberal Halloween party.

There'll be plenty of hate, poking fun at the stupid people with the character flaws and the red voter registration cards, and gnashing our teeth altogether en masse.

I don't HATE people, I just feel like bashing their heads together sometimes. Roughly. A lot.

You gotta problem with that?

;-)
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:38 PM
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15. I'd Show Up To Your Cookout...
But I can't imagine that any Republican can be described as being "lovely people".

I'd hardly classify someone's approval (or efforts) to write bigotry into the CONSTITUTION as a mere "difference (of) political opinions".

Clearly you're a better person than I am. I'm not as forgiving as you are, I suppose. I find it difficult to see the bright side or the basic-goodness of such 'people'.

They have cold, dark, black, evil hearts. They are all vermin! Pigshit-eating pus-drinking monsters.

They deserve nothing but contempt! ALL OF THEM! They are the ENEMY... I cannot be friends with the ENEMY!

-- Allen
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:02 PM
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49. I'm not better than you. I loathe their beliefs.
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 02:08 PM by Bertha Venation
But I try (often unsuccessfully) to separate their beliefs from their personhood.

I don't know what Butch & Liz (the neighbors) think about the FMA, but we talk with them often, have entertained them in our home (no, they didn't deign to cross a gay threshold; they came happily), share the fruit of our garden -- and shared their fear when their son went to Iraq and their joy when he came home in one piece. I hope they don't support the FMA, but, knowing us, I guarantee you they have thought about it, which is more than we can say for many who support it.

Jeanette does not support it at all.

And not all who think we don't have the right to marry are Republicans. Just who are you voting for in November? He may not support the FMA, but neither does he think that you and I marry. According to John, we don't have the right mix of genitals. I'm still voting for him, though.

My friends are Republicans. The are not evil. They are not vermin. They are not monsters. They are not --quote-- people --unquote--. They're human beings. I work with a lot of GOP'ers, too, and they're okay. I loathe the work they do for the Bush administration. I loathe their gloating (one of them -- BC's head lawer on campaign finance -- has a DC 2001 inauguration license plate that reads "CHAD"). But it just stresses me out and shortens my life and raises my blood pressure to be mad at them -- and it's even worse for me to hate them. It's useless. It's wrong for me, too.

Of course, this is JMO. YMMV.

I'm no better, Allen. Just different.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:57 PM
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51. I Cannot Be "Friends" With Republicans.
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 03:42 PM by arwalden
If they self-identify as Republicans, then they are part of the problem. They are the enemy. Anyone who would have me become a 2nd class citizen is my enemy. Those who claim to oppose FMA and who sit idly by and who do NOTHING about it are beneath contempt.

I have a difficult time in seeing good in people where in my estimation, none exists. There is no good to be found in people like that. They are all evil and selfish lying bastards. Subhuman. Vermin. Any "goodness" you see in them is pretend. It's all for show. I'd rather have my hand cut off than to have to endure what they consider to be "compassion". They are self-deluded and they are excellent at the art of deception. Snakes.

I have a difficult time in finding love for my OWN FAMILY members who are Republicans. I recall once having loved them... but I loathe them as well. They disgust me. (In much the same way that I disgust them as well. So we're "even" I guess.)

You'll have to pardon my sanctimonious attitude about it... but I've had just about all I can take. I'm a woman on the edge. TINA! BRING ME THE AXE! I'm so angry my teeth are clinched, my face is red, my eyes are bloodshot, my hands are shaking and my heart is racing at 120 beats per minute.

JUST IMAGINE THE RAGE that Joan Crawford felt in Mommie Dearest whenever she discovered the wire hangers in the closet. That's me.

I will not coddle, cuddle, comfort, or cajole, I will not befriend, I will not play-nice and make-nice, I will not tolerate their inaction and permitting shit like this to happen.

This is war! THEY are the enemy. There are no two ways about it.

-- Allen


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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:12 PM
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52. Then may I make a few suggestions?
I'm rather frightened for you.

for a day or two or a week or two:

* turn off the newsradio or C-SPAN or AirAmerica or whatever: stop watching the FMA debate; snap off the device when * or a GOP soundbyte comes on

* stop reading the news sites & newspaper -- at least the articles about the FMA or what the GOP or Republican-controlled Congress or * is doing

* stop reading your email from moveon.org or John Aravosis or Equality Maryland or any others like that

Just for a few days or a week or so. I have had to do this this week. I usually listen to NPR and scan several online news sources daily. Not today, for sure: I can't STAND the thought of listening to the debate over the FMA. I get angry, Allen. I lose my temper, my BP rises, my face turns red. I get so screwed up with anger that I can't see sometimes.

I take a break because it is not healthy for me to get so angry. I'm willing to assume that it's not healthy for you either.

It is okay to take a break from the constant filth that is the news of the GOP. It's okay.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:15 PM
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53. and another thing:
my neighbors & my friend Jeanette are not Rick Santorum. He's in a sewer by himself.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:19 PM
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54. "In A Sewer By Himself" ... Clever. LOL.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:37 PM
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60. and another reply:
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 03:38 PM by arwalden
How do your friends justify to themselves (and to you?) when they vote for and support people like Santorum? Are not they just as guilty as the person whom they support? (Yes, I know Santorum isn't in Maryland... but you get my drift.)

Do these people have no conscience at all? Have they NO sense of decency??

I cannot separate the two. If they vote for them, and if they identify with them, and if they contribute to them... they they are just as guilty as if they were the lawmakers themselves. It's by THEIR actions (or inactions) that we're are threatened with being made 2nd class citizens... in the constitution! They want to put it in the goddamned fucking CONSTITUTION!

I'll renounce my citizenship if this happens.

-- Allen
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:48 PM
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64. I'm afraid to tell you because it will make you mad.
Butch & Liz and Jeanette are all three deeply religious. They seem to think the Republican way is the biblical way. They're not the first & won't be the last.

And now you're wondering, then how in hell do I stay friendly with them?

Easy: we don't talk politics and we don't talk religion.

This is how I stay sane. I'm not moving, so I'm going to see Butch & Liz practically every day for the next 14 years or so. I've made a good friend of Jeanette -- I always make friends more easily with people who've been deeply hurt in life -- and I'm not giving up on her simply because of her party affiliation.

Again, YMMV.

And Allen: the constitution will NOT be amended to deny our right to marry. It won't. But you know what? If it were, I'd leave, too.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 04:10 PM
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68. Fundies. Blyech!
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 04:14 PM
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69. LOL but with a twist:
Butch is Catholic; Liz is Methodist. Both have been divorced. Jeanette's in the middle of her second divorce.

I don't post this as more ammo for the "fundies are hypocrites" crowd. I do so to show that even those some would judge as hypocrites are human, with human failings. Moreover not all fundies rail against divorce -- and I've already pointed out that these three don't foam at the mouth about my marriage not being a marriage.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:23 PM
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55. Excellent Ideas That Will Help To Lower The Blood Pressure...
... and it may reduce the anger level... but I'll still hate them all just as much. Forever. Until I draw my last breath.

Thanks, Kim.

-- Allen <--who knows what 'hate' means and doesn't use the word lightly.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:36 PM
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59. I know
I'm not without understanding. Trust me, I know what it is to feel hatred so intense you think you'll implode and die in agony. I do know how you feel. I'm really not trying to sound flip. But I really do know how it feels to hate. It's not fun.
:hug:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:38 PM
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61. Mommie Dearest?
...how cliche :)

:bounce:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:58 PM
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27. Feed him some chili rice!
Sorry, but I had to lighten this up a bit.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 02:11 PM
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50. maybe in the winter . . . it's hard to make on a summertime grill
It keeps slipping through and burning on the coals. ;)

:hi:
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:35 PM
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11. I couldn't agree more..
I used to be more tolerant of their BS,especially living in a red military town, but I find it more and more difficult to keep my mouth shut when I hear one of their idiotic comment about Clinton or the Democrats. I just had an encounter with someone that just had to make a remark about a Time magazine with Clinton on the cover. I responded that I felt the same way about Bush that she felt about Clinton and then walked away. When the hell are they going to get over Clinton. They screamed "get over it" when they brazenly stole the election, but it seems to be perfectly OK for them to obsess about Clinton four years after he left the Presidency. There isn't a room big enough in Bellvue to house these nut cases.
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disgruntled_goat Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:36 PM
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13. perhaps
it's just your turn to briefly channel Mike Malloy?
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:38 PM
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14. You don't need help, but I understand your need to vent
When I was younger, I think I used the word hate a lot. After thinking about what it really means, I have tried not to use the word anymore. I just like to say that I vehemently disagree, don't really like, etc...
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:41 PM
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16. Nope... for me it's not a matter of vehemently disagreeing...
I quite honestly and literally HATE the motherfuckers! Bastards one and all!

They curdle my blood! They are foul miserable excuses for human beings.

-- Allen
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tcfrogs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:44 PM
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18. To each their own
I wasn't being critical of your use of the word, just telling you my views.

Tomorrow will be a better day, right?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:48 PM
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21. I Know From Where You Come...
I'm just not as much of thoughtful and reflective person as you are. When threatened (and legislated against) my gut instinct is a bit more primitive and visceral.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:41 PM
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17. We ar normal, Allen
we care about all people and we care about America; we are normal.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:46 PM
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19. I'm so angry. I Just Want To PUNCH One Of Them...
I want to do it HARD. Hard enough and often enough that my knuckles bleed. I want them to feel HURT and feel SOMETHING... anything!! I want proof that they are human.

I want to shake some fucking sense into them... but they are all cult-like robots.

-- Allen




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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:07 PM
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34. I want them to feel HURT and feel SOMETHING... anything.
To ask them to feel somethings, just going over the edge.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:59 PM
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67. I live in TEXAS, sweetie pie
my coworkers STILL blame the current economy on CLINTON.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:46 PM
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20. Nope...you aren't alone.
:hi:
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Dyedinthewoolliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:52 PM
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22. You sound
perfectly normal to me! :)
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:54 PM
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23. ..I'm with you 'bro. Repugs are vile and despicable.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 12:57 PM
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25. perfectly healthy attitude
what is there to like about racism, sexism, homophobia and general cruelty?
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:00 PM
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28. I try to distinguish between...
...Republicans and Bush-supporting Republicans. The latter I can't even look at and listening to them pushes me to the very edge of tolerance--and then over.
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chemenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:03 PM
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29. You're not alone ... I'll guarantee you that much.
The words or phrase hasn't been invented yet to describe my feelings re: the Republican Party and Republican mentality. Beneath contempt doesn't even begin to describe Republicans.

Any party that deliberately delays the vote on the Veterans Rights bill just to prevent Sen. Kerry (who left the campaign trail and flew to DC) from voting and then extends by 20 minutes the vote on the Patriot Act (in order to continue lobbying for its passage ... which it does by one vote) is beneath anything even remotely resembling contempt. May their self-righteous souls rot in the furthest reaches of hell especially reserved for fascists.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:06 PM
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32. At Times I Can See The Attraction Of Believing In "Hell"
so that we can imagine an "eternal punishment" for their "souls" when we're powerless to do anything to prevent the consequences of their bigotry and cruelty.

-- Allen
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:04 PM
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30. But how do you REALLY feel about Republicans? Let it all out
:D
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:08 PM
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35. They Are Sacks Of Shit, Rotting Corpse Entrails. They Are Vile, Putrid...
... and not very nice at all.

-- Allen
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:50 PM
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65. "and not very nice at all." LOL!
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 03:50 PM by CBHagman
I can certainly share your feelings, Allen (God help me if I ever bumped into DeLay or G.W. Bush -- and God help them). The current political climate is particularly nasty and extremely dangerous, mind-bogglingly so.

But that said, I think Bertha has the right idea. Hatred consumes so much energy and sometimes blinds us to the things we need to do. I always find it easier to be in request mode (rather than rant mode) when calling a congressional office about some piece of legislation or another. It keeps me focused. If I'm angry, though, it's harder to control the situation and get done what I want done.

Also, I have to confess to DESPISING the way the leadership of the GOP runs things and liking individual Republicans. My brother is a Republican, and both my parents were Republicans.

Also, there was a time, my children, when actual living, breathing progressives were leaders in the GOP. There are still a few around, though precious few at this point.

But the situation we're in is hideous, no too ways about it, and I've used language against Bush & Co. that would put hair back on Dick Cheney's head.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 06:08 PM
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73. Thanks. -- I Keep Thinking About...
Brian's first meeting with the People's Front of Judea (or was it the Judean People's Front?) -- anyway -- Brian declares to the leader of the PFJ that he HATES the Romans too and wants to join the PFJ.

The leader is suspicious that Brian could be an infiltrator and asks him, "Oh yeah? How much?"

Brian confidently replies, "A LOT!"

"Okay, you're in!" comes the reply.

-- Allen
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:05 PM
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31. Don't worry, there are plenty of Republicans...
...who feel the same way about Democrats. Hate is equally dosed amongst the parties.
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:07 PM
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33. I try not to hate anyone. It messes up my aura.
But those Republicans make it awfully difficult sometimes and I understand where you're coming from. I get pissed off at them (I think it would be very difficult for any right thinking individual not to), but in the end I am mainly saddened by them. They're so close minded that it is impossible for them to have any happiness in life. Hell, just look at Rush. He's so miserable that he's gone through three marriages and turned into a drug addict.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:11 PM
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36. Such Pathetic Creatures That They Delight In Creating Misery For Others?
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 01:12 PM by arwalden
Auras and karma don't exist in my realm... so I have no problem at all with letting my anger and hatred flow freely.

-- Allen
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:14 PM
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37. That's the only thing they've got. See how pathetic that is?
Oh, and I don't have an aura, either. I was just trying to be humorous.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:17 PM
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38. LOL!!
I think you can find used auras on Ebay.

-- Allen <---Ruined aura trying to polish it with windex
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:26 PM
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40. Yes, it's an unhealthy attitude.
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 01:28 PM by TXlib
Fight the good fight, but don't make yourself sick. All that rage is not healthy.

Funny thing is, several months ago, I might have (and probably did) post something very much like your sentiments here.

Some months back, I was finding myself so angry at Bush and all republicans that I was making myself sick. Honestly, I don't know if my anger was truly rooted in them, or if they were a convenient target for all my free-floating angst bullshit.

Anyway, I started posting at CU and getting into arguments and debates with them there, and I learned quite a bit about them, about myself, and about how to argue. And, I don't feel quite so enraged anymore.

The fact is, not all republicans move in lockstep with Bush, and many are really mistrustful of him. But they'll still vote for him, because they're more mistrustful of Kerry/Edwards. And before you think that is crazy, think about the recall in CA. Most dems there really didn't like Davis, but they couldn't stomach the thought of a Republican replacing him.

My guess, arwalden, is that your anger is with the ultra-religious-conservative crowd. But that's only one faction of the party.

My advice? Try registering to post at CU. But don't just go in there looking to start fights. Sure, there are jackasses there. Just ignore them, like you do the jackasses here. My guess is you'll find the libertarian bunch there to be fairly reasonable.

It will teach you to defend your points well, and if you're honest with yourself, to recognize where you're being a hypocrite (I've found that to be useful in reducing my own personal BS). It's also taught me that they are not the Borg, not a monolithic entity represented by the conservative bogeyman many of us have in mind.

It's been very interesting for me to find somebody who identifies as a proud Bush republican and find the areas where we DO agree, and then proceed to debate the areas where we do not.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:32 PM
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41. I'm Not Sure What To Make Of Your Message
I think I've been insulted, but I'm not sure. I just don't know how to reply.

-- Allen




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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:33 PM
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42. i really dont think you should register at CU
they despise us homos a lot
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:43 PM
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43. I Don't Want To Engage The Enemy And Have Polite Conversation
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 01:44 PM by arwalden
you're so correct, Lioness. Joining CU probably isn't the best course of action. (I don't socialize well with 14 year old boys anyway.) LOL

I want to fucking DESTROY them. The Republican party must be obliterated and marginalized and rendered impotent.

Anyone who does not active OPPOSE Bush* and all that he and his party represent is my ENEMY. There is no middle ground. It's BLACK/WHITE... forus or aginus. --- That's the binary mentality that they comprehend, eh?

Indeed... they are the Borg. Republiborg.

I'm sick to death of hearing this "few bad apples" argument that's often bandied about when describing Republicans.

There are two types of Republicans. Those that hate you to your face and those that hate you behind your back. The ones that I'm most fearful of are the ones that pretend to "understand" and who give lip service. --- LIARS!!

They are all EVIL to the core. It may indeed be the "fundamentalist christians" who set the tone... but it's the scumbag asshole elected officials who gleefully follow the path that the fundies set out for them.

Lousy sons of bitches.

-- Allen <-- not mad at you. Just mad.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:46 PM
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45. There are some real homophobes there.
There's a few here, too, but they tend to get shouted down sooner.

A lot of them are libertarians, and agree it's not the government's place to restrict rights when no harm is being done to others.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:45 PM
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44. Not intended as insult.
I like you, arwalden, from what I've read of your posts in the past.

I read the entire thread, and what you wrote is how i felt >5-6 months ago.

I was filled with rage. I had fantasies of beating republicans to the edge of death with my bare hands. I was so filled with rage, it was making me sick, and affecting my family life. And, I wasn't a very happy person.

So, I decided to get to 'know the enemy'. I started reading their posts about us, and defending us there. Then i started reading their other posts, and finding many people who really were very reasonable, but had a different (sometimes very different) worldview, and like me, wanted the best for the country and their fellow citizens, but had different ideas about what that meant. Even the people there who I generally feel are jerks surprise me occasionally by agreeing with me. But the thing is, I learned that they are a diverse group. There are people there who seem to agree with me on most major issues, but their priority of them is different, and that's what makes them a republican. I didn't go over there to start fights, though. I went to learn. And it's been a healthy thing for me. I have a better appreciation for how mainstream republicans think, and since virtually all my neighbors are such republicans, I've got a pretty good idea of how to discuss politics with them in a way that will challenge them, without making them think I'm just an asshole. That's important. You have a message you'd like to sell, and you'll learn how to sell it palatably to those who are leaning against it, if that's what you want to do.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:51 PM
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46. Thanks For The Follow-Up.... I understand better.
You're a better person that I am. Seriously. -- I'll continue to have my own fantasies that rival the most violent scenes from "Misery" or "Wild At Heart".

That's all I'm capable of anymore. I've had enough. They are all beyond hope. Fuck them all... with a very large rusty flag pole... bent... (flag still attached). --- Isn't that a pleasant image?

-- Allen
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 01:57 PM
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48. Well, work through the rage, and get it out of your system.
Then do something constructive about it.

I think I know how you feel; I've been there myself.

I just wanted to offer what worked for me.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:29 PM
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56. They are people that haven't had enough failure in their lives.
Or too much failure.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:31 PM
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57. Normally (that being when a Democrat is in office)... I am pretty
good about not letting republicans get to me. But THIS time... it IS war. ANYONE who would continue to stand behind this president is NO FRIEND OF MINE. Since I know many republicans who are still republicans but who are NOT voting for Bush, I still abide them.

My ex-partner's family though.... uh uh... no way, and thank god I don't have to tiptoe around them anymore... Always freaking pushing my buttons... and they're damn selfish idiots, every one.

Hey, thanks for the vent, Allen!! :hi:
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:33 PM
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58. If you thought anything else, I'd worry about your sanity.
:hug: You're not alone. Everything will be ok.
Duckie
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:39 PM
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62. I despise some of their views
and there's a few I could say I genuinely hate - Fred Phelps, that evil santorum-sucker, for one - but most, I try to remember that people CAN and DO change. Teresa Heinz-Kerry was a Republican - the old-fashioned actual conservative kind - up until two years ago. The kind that can be a Christian who goes by Christ's actual words. We've almost forgotten what those kind are like, because they get overshadowed by the screeching, knuckle-dragging, evil fanatics, but they are still out there.

There are pro-choice Republicans, Republicans who don't support the death penalty, Republicans who don't believe in enshrining discrimination in the Constitution via the FMA. Their reasons for remaining Republican when their party has turned into a snakepit full of raving fundy fruitbats and evil corporate whores are as varied as our reasons for being Democrats. Try to take people as people. Hate the Republican party platform - I do, with every fiber of my being - but try not to alienate those who can still be enticed from the dark side.

I met at least three former Republicans who will be voting for Kerry this November when I went to my Congressional District caucuses. There were still more of them at the state convention. I expect there will even be a few when I go to the national convention in 16 more days (not that I'm counting or anything!). If our rhetoric is as dogmatic and fanatical and extreme as the wingnuts', we will turn those people off - and I want them on our side. I want regular working folks who've not swallowed the Rovian Kool-Aid but are maybe uncomfortable with the idea of being "libruls" to be able to consider sneaking into the ballot box and voting for Kerry in secret. If we get too nasty, they won't - they'll decide we're just as crazy as the worst kind of frothing-at-the-mouth freep freakazoid.
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rbnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:42 PM
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63. It's hard not to hate them...
...especially when their crimes go unpunished.

When my husband and I went to see f911, I started crying right at the beginning of the movie when all the faces of the Republican leadership were shown. My husband whispered, "Nothing's happened yet." I was just overwhelmed by how much I hate them.

I don't think there's anything wrong with taking sides. And I do think there's a difference between the hate we feel for them, and the hate they feel for us. The hate we feel from them is a reaction to their crimes against us. The hate they feel from us comes from some inner pathos--helping them to feel better about themselves, making them feel like they are part of something, gluing together their insane, illogical worldview.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 03:50 PM
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66. No, "Jews" should ALWAYS hate Nazis, even kinder and gentler ones
Edited on Fri Jul-09-04 03:52 PM by tom_paine
Nothing wrong with that. Not a thing. Niether in 1933 Germany or 2004 Imperial Amerika.

Once you realize that you are not dealing with Civilized Human Beings but MONSTERS ("kinder and gentler" though), thsi is a natural, healthy response.

It is also a natural, healthy response to return the hate of those who hate and would kill you if they thought they could get away with it like a 1938 Klansman in Mississippi.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:20 PM
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70. I Must Repeat Something I Said Earlier...
There are two types of Republicans: those who hate you to your face and those that hate you behind your back. There are no good Republicans.

None of them are good. Even my in my own family. A sorry waste of human flesh.

-- Allen
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:45 PM
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71. I wouldn't go so far as to say "Republicans"
I would say "Busheviks", which includes the members of your fasmily, I would imagine.

I cannot agree that all "republicans" are that way. I know some myself who are decent human beings.

But they are NOT Busheviks.

Being a Busheviks is like being a Nazi: obvious evidence of deep character flaws.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 05:56 PM
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72. I Understand The Distinction You're Making Between The Two
... but I don't make that distinction. I just can't see it. I don't know any who are decent human beings.

Perhaps I have different idea of what 'decent' means... or perhaps I just haven't met the ones you have in mind. The ones I know personally and know-of completely (over-) qualify as being Busheviks.

The whole lot of them are worthless.

-- Allen

Where are these "good" republicans I keep hearing about? What are they doing to counter and fight against the evil and bigotry of this administration? Why are they so quiet?
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 06:39 PM
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74. It's hard to not hate them
The best thing for me has been to not watch TV news - that way I don't have to actually look at and/or hear them. I can rely on DU for my news. I've come so close so many times to throwing blunt objects at my TV screen, that I had to come to this on my own. :hi:
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-09-04 06:55 PM
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75. The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate
was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp.
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