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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:24 PM
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A good friend is threatening suicide, HELP!!!!
I used to date my former boss's brother. It was pretty serious for awhile, then it fizzed; we're still good friends, though. He's been going through a rough patch these past couple of years, especially in regards to being buried in debt (mostly stemming from a nasty divorce) and being unable to find a steady, good-paying job. He's in the construction field, which has never been and is never secure by any stretch of the imagination, so he's had several jobs in the past few years but none with any possibility of permanence.

He's almost 49 and is physically not in the best shape anymore after thirty years of construction work; he needs spinal surgery and a knee replacement, among other problems. This makes it hard for him to do a lot of what he used to be able to do, which makes it even harder for him to get construction work. He's had experience as a foreman and as a blueprint designer and has been trying to find work in those areas, without any luck so far. This is a terrible area to find any kind of construction work, so he's looking outside our area and even outside the state. It's not much better in a lot of other areas, though, too, and even in areas where there is a lot of work, the competition for the jobs, particularly by younger, stronger workers, is fierce and intense.

His house is in foreclosure because he can no longer afford his mortgage. He does needed repairs on his ten-year-old truck himself, even major work. He wishes he could start his own construction company and build houses, but he can't get the necessary credit to do so and his brother, my former boss, is barely keeping his own head above water (he's the one who had to lay me off a few months ago).

I hesitated to tell him earlier about the new job I landed with a good international company at a far higher salary than my previous job with his brother because I knew how depressed he already was and how desperately he wants and needs a good job. He's the hard-working type that needs to be working in order to feel worthwhile and he's worked hard all of his life, since he was seventeen. His son, his only child, is a Marine serving in Iraq, and, while he's proud of his son, his worry and depression over that certainly doesn't help either.

We talked for several hours tonight, and he just doesn't want to go on anymore. He's beyond tired, he says, he doesn't care anymore, he's tired of struggling, he's about to lose his house, his truck is falling apart, he can't seem to get ahead no matter what, he can't even do a lot of the work he used to be able to do but he has no clue as to what else and what other kind of work he could do and how to go about finding out, etc., etc. He said the only other option left was just to check out and that's all he really wants to do. I could tell by the tone of his voice and his body language that he wasn't kidding, either. He just doesn't see the point anymore.

I told him he was depressed and to let me figure out a way to get him some anti-depressants (he doesn't have any insurance, which is why he's unable to have the spinal surgery and the knee replacement he needs) because they really do help; he didn't think that would help, though. He kept saying that everyone wants to treat the symptoms without doing anything about the underlying problem, which was that he needed a good job and couldn't find one and didn't even know what he could do anymore (he has an associate's degree he got almost thirty years ago). He'd always been able to find good construction work until a couple of years ago. I brought up his son, pointing out how hard it would be for him and asking him why he would do that to him; he said his son would be better off without a loser like him for a father, anyway. I said and did everything I could think of and begged and pleaded. I asked him to please come into the house and he could stay there with us and me, my mom and stepdad, and Chris (my son) would be there to help him. He just shook his head. He said, "don't worry, it'll work out", gave me a big hug (I didn't want to let go), then suddenly just got in his truck (we were standing right by it at this point) and drove away.

I then called him on his cell phone, and then again at his house, and he kept saying not to worry, "it'll work out." I don't know what the hell else to do at this point; I'm sure as hell not a licensed counselor or trained in this sort of thing, and I've done and said everything I could think of to help him. I wish I owned a company, or knew someone who did, so I could give him a good job. I've been in his shoes several times as far as lack of employment is concerned, and I understand where he's coming from; psychologically and emotionally, it's pure hell and frustrating and depressing as well.

I kept trying to get him to see that it was so important that he not give up, because things really would get better (they sure did in my case, I landed a good job with a great salary after three months of a proactive search), but I know how tired he really is of all this, especially since it's not the first time he's gone through it. And I know what a hard worker he really is, too, and how hard it is for him not to be working. And I also understand his frustration over not knowing what to do career-wise anymore, or even how to go about finding out.

I just don't know what the hell else to do. I'm heartsick over this and furious that good people who've done nothing to deserve it and who've worked hard all their lives have to deal with shit like this. Please, if anyone can help at all, PLEASE give me some help and ideas here!!!!!
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:26 PM
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1. You need to get your friend to call this number.
Edited on Sat Jul-10-04 10:26 PM by benburch
1-800-784-2433 This is the national suicide prevention hotline, and they can help.
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:32 PM
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4. and even if you can't get HIM to call,
then YOU call. They'll have good advice and support for you, and they may be able to help figure out how to get him to seek help.

What a sad situation - unfortunately it's one that is echoed many times around our country every day.

I wish you and your friend the best.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:32 PM
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5. Send the police over there immediately!
A mental health professional will follow in most locations, or they will take him to a hospital e.r. where he will be assessed - and they will get him the proper help.

Remember, that suicide is a very selfish thing. It gives lifelong pain to those who are left behind!

His child/children love him so much. Does he really want them to be in therapy for a lifetime? Or worse?

An emergency room has to treat him.

Call 911! Send the police! They will secure the proper assessment.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:30 PM
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2. Please read this
Call this number to get advise for your friend.
While DUers are wonderful caring people , they
are not qualified to give advise regarding this .

1-800-784-2433
Toll-Free Nationwide USA
24 hours / 7 days a week

Please Call

Proud Patriot
DU Moderator



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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:30 PM
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3. Does he have anyone else in his life besides you as a friend and his son?
The people I have known who considered suicide and didn't follow through mostly made their choice because they knew how much it would hurt the people who cared about them. Have you talked to him about that? As far as meds go, I don't know what it is like in his state, but even here in Texas, where mental health funding is either at or near the bottom (ranked by state), people can get free treatment through MHMR.

I hope he'll be OK. I went through something similar with a friend back when I was 22... about 13 years ago. I know how hard it is, and how heavy the responsibility feels.

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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:32 PM
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6. well...
do you have any spare cash? Maybe you could give him a small cusion while he finds a job tossing pizzas and tries to dig himself out of this...
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:33 PM
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7. It sounds like depression
(been there). Until he gets his brain chemistry balanced again he will not be able to think clearly nor summon up hope for the future. I suggest calling your county hospital to find out if he can be admitted or where your friend can get some assistance as an out-patient. He also needs legal help that can be obtained for free and he may be eligible for disability through Social Security or his son may be able to get him covered on his insurance as a dependent. He may want to file bankruptcy to get out from under debt. He may also be medicating himself with alcohol or drugs. He needs a psych eval. There is help for him, but in his state of mind he just can't be hopeful. Dana ; )
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:37 PM
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10. That's what I kept trying to get him to see,
that he needs a lot of help on different levels and that he shouldn't decide or do anything until he gets it straightened out.
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testing123 Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:34 PM
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8. You need to get some help for him fast
Has he thought about filing a Chapter 13 it would save his house for a while and his credit is already shot if his house is in foreclosure.

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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:36 PM
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9. Please call the number....
...that benburch and Proud Patriot have posted.

He needs help that you are not qualified to give. Good luck.
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:37 PM
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11. PLEASE CALL THIS NUMBER
1-800-784-2433
Toll-Free Nationwide USA
24 hours / 7 days a week

I'm locking this thread in the hopes
that you call and get advise from
trained professionals for your friend .


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SunDrop23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-10-04 10:37 PM
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12. Sorry to read that, you sure are a great friend.
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