Best, most covert way to tell other board members to f*#* off

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

We seem to have a communication problem, Houston...lots of dismissal..is this what we really want on a "discussion" board?

[m-jean03]

1. Uck-fay off-nay?

No one would ever understand THAT. :-)

[unfrigginreal]

2. Fuck off!

Covert enough? :dunce:

[Paragon]

3. A sigline that only a woman could get away with?

;-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. I was waiting for the first male that turns this place into a meat market

everyday to whine about it...you get the prize



I am open to compromise though...you attempt to stop objectifying women and antagonizing deliberately and I will gladly change it.

Otherwise...I see no objectification NOR generalizing in my sig line...just a sentence about SOME MEN that is less than flattering to them

If you are free to turn women into tits and ass, am I not free to turn men into their penises? Aren't we all about equal rights and being as offensive as we want to be regardless of the sentiments of others?

[Paragon]

10. I take neither men nor women seriously.

Neither should you.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

12. Thanks for telling me how I should be

[Paragon]

16. You're welcome.

I do what I can.

[m-jean03]

27. I know this is a sensitive subject, NSMA .

But don't straight women and gay men here "objectify" men in the same way you're saying that Paragon is "objectifying" women? Isn't it just a universal human behavior?

I don't know exactly what it is that is in question here, but if it's just about posting a little eye candy and openly adoring it, I don't really see the big deal.

I do appreciate pics of attractive women posted in the Lounge... I don't reduce any women to their exteriors, but since a photograph is only a superficial image, I enjoy it for the only thing it can reveal, an attractive face or body.

Sure, it's a superficial pleasure. It's not real life, either. It's just eye candy. The person isn't here with me... If they were I would treat them first and foremost as human beings with minds and souls. But when you're admiring from afar, you can only see the surface, and the person won't be offended, so I don't see any harm done.

Well, I avoided most of the flame wars "that night" so I hope this isn't too out of place in your thread. Just had to add my $0.02, you know how that is. :-)

[Paragon]

30. That's crazy talk!

:yourock:

[unfrigginreal]

32. We should all go to Hooters...

and have a meeting about this.

[Angelus]

33. Hahahaha.

Good one. :thumbsup:

[m-jean03]

35. LOL.... n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

36. Digging a hole and burying your shit is also a human behavior

and just as primal...wanna do that too?

And can we PLEASE stop pretending that ANYONE takes offense at men appreciating women and women appreciating men? or men appreciating men or women appreciating women?

THAT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT THE ISSUE.

The issue is whether or not you must speak in a degrading manner to appreciate someone.

I can appreciate the women that wish to express their sexuality and be given attention for it just fine.

It would be NICE if those women could appreciate women like myself who WORE the halter tops and went braless before it was risk free societally to do so....we made it possible for the world NOT TO BE ABLE to automatically treat you like a whore for expressing your sexuality.

Capiche?

[Misunderestimator]

44. EXACTLY!!

And I was right there with you.

[m-jean03]

48. Like I said, I didn't know the specific issue or wording in question

I think we're probably in total agreement. I find degrading talk utterly offensive, too.

I'm sorry you had to explain yourself again. Like I said, I stayed out of most of the discussion that went on a few nights agon. Hope you're not mad at me. :pals:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

54. Not mad at all

Just asking for a little understanding on the matter on a board where women range from 15 to their 80's.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

55. How to shit in the woods. nt

[Misunderestimator]

m-jean03, you must not have read the threads

it's the intentional use of a term like "hot chick" to, for instance, describe John Edwards daughter... without going to any effort to see her as ANYTHING but a hot chick. It's gotten to the point that the term "hot chick" enters into threads in the past couple of days that have nothing to do with anything hot, seemingly in an attempt to antagonize people.

Look... I can call myself a dyke, but I don't want a man to call me a dyke. Get it?

[Paragon]

47. m-jean's a hot chick

And she has the proper perspective on things.

[Misunderestimator]

50. m-jean's young, smart and a nice person

If she wants to be an object too... more power to her.

[m-jean03]

89. One point... I don't see what my age has to do with this thread

No offense to you, Misunderestimator, but I find that kind of comment is a lot more likely to make my opinions seem less important than a comment on my attractiveness or lack of it. By the time we're in our early twenties and out of college, many of us have had many complex thoughts and numerous experiences regarding sex, gender and sexism.

[Susang]

52. And now it begins

And this thread will end up getting locked because of antagonistic posts like this. Instead of honest discussion, we get condescension and derision, until all debate is effectively shut down.

Thanks so much.

[Paragon]

57. Congratulations on still not getting it.

I complemented m-jean not once, but twice in that post.

[Susang]

70. Sarcasm is easy, isn't it?

Much easier than actually addressing the points I made in my post. But I suspect your intent is not discussion (as I stated in my previous post) but to flood this thread with short inflammatory retorts designed to anger rather than foster understanding of your supposed position.

It appears to be an effective technique, as these threads that you seem to find so infuriating, end up getting locked and the women whose opinions you seem to disagree with, end up getting silenced and are not allowed to post on the subject as it is seen to be too divisive.

[Forkboy]

83. This thread is heading for locksville anyways

Have your fun now before it's too late! :)

[Susang]

85. Such is life

And no need to worry about me, I always have my fun now before its too late. ;-)

[unfrigginreal]

59. The Lounge is not the place for serious debate

and I doubt that the author expected it in this post, but who knows?

[m-jean03]

77. I take that as a compliment BTW

But this good Libra is ducking out now to avoid the brawl.
My diplomatic duties have been done.

:pals:

[m-jean03]

73. I can see what you are saying, Misunderestimator

And would probably agree with it in most cases.

But then, I think that it all depends on context and intention. And since I haven't been following all of the threads and discussions on the subject, I can't make the judgment about context and intentions here on DU.

So I'll leave it to you and Paragon to battle it out on this subject. I have a lot of respect for you and can totally understand your anger, though.

I also have been known to ogle hotties and don't think the term "hot chick" is ALWAYS used to reduce women to nothing more than that. Ai-ai-yi. I'll duck out of the room now. :-)

[Misunderestimator]

81. Don't duck and leave so fast....

You KNOW I appreciate a woman's beauty too. But tell the truth... if you found someone "hot" and then they opened their mouth and spewed out all sorts Republican crap, you probably wouldn't find them so hot anymore right? It's about not reducing a woman to JUST being hot. And yes, it's the context.

No one said always... it's the constant hammering by a couple of people here because they KNOW they have found a sore spot, and they keep pushing it. Would YOU do that if you knew you were offending someone here?

[m-jean03]

90. Have to...

Going to go see Anchorman!! :hi:

[Misunderestimator]

20. Only a woman could get away with?

Q: Why do so many men like talking about women with big breasts and tight _____? A: Because so many men have BIG MOUTHS and tiny penises.

If a man said that, I'd have a lot of respect for him, actually. :shrug:

[Paragon]

21. I'm sure if I were really bored...

...I could come up with something similar that'd probably manage to piss you off.

However, it's retarded and not worth the effort.

[Misunderestimator]

23. Oh, so now we insult the mentally challenged?

:bounce:

There's very little you could do at this point to piss me off. I already know where you stand.

[Paragon]

26. No - the mentally challenged would be insulted by this thread.

It's so complicated and intelligent, after all.

[Angelus]

28. Retarded:

Main Entry: 1re·tard
Pronunciation: ri-'tärd
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French retarder, from Latin retardare, from re- + tardus slow
transitive senses
1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE
2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote
intransitive senses : to undergo retardation
synonym see DELAY
- re·tard·er noun

Read the bold. ;)

[Misunderestimator]

34. I agree that the word retarded is use to denigrate mentally challenged

people... that was my whole point. It was apparent how the word retarded was used in the post, and that was the connotation. And since you are so fond of cutting and pasting definitions, try this one:

-------------------
Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

re·tard·ed ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-tärdd)
adj.
Often Offensive. Affected with mental retardation.
-------------------

Thanks for helping prove my point. :thumbsup:

[Angelus]

46. Ah, yes, but...

you don't seem to understand the context that the word retarded was used in. It wasn't used to denigrate mentally challenged. It was used in the context that this argument "to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : IMPEDE"

You know...there are more than one definition to a word. Thanks for playing the game.

[Misunderestimator]

49. LMAO uh huh

and I quote... "However, it's retarded and not worth the effort."

What did he mean then? It's slow and not worth the effort? Right.

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence would understand that he meant retarded as in a retarded person doing a retarded thing.

:freak:

[Paragon]

53. I would never insult a retarded person.

However, a person without mental impairment acting like they do have one will get the business from me every time.

[Angelus]

56. It's sad that you think that the word "retarded"

is deragatory (which it is, if you use it in a deragatory way) when it wasn't used in that way.

When the poster said "However, it's retarded and not worth the effort," I'm pretty sure he meant "preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment".

A person with a modicum of intelligence would understand that he meant retarded as in preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment, which this argument is doing.

[Misunderestimator]

61. You are a master at manipulation....

Give me a break. NO one uses the term retarded in that context to mean preventing advance... please.

It would be like saying "I hate queer people" and then say that you meant that you hate odd people.

[Angelus]

65. Ok...

so no one uses that term for which it is meant? YOU may see what the poster said is deragatory against mentally challenged persons, but I saw the poster meant "preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment" (Which this argument is...retarded in this sense) which is ANOTHER meaning of retarded.

Words with more than one definition? Who would've thunk? :wow:

[Misunderestimator]

67. Yeah, like chick...

thanks again for proving my point. ;)

[Angelus]

72. What exactly were you trying to point out?

That words DO have more than one definition? Sorry. I knew that when I was two.

[Misunderestimator]

76. Yeah, that was my point.

:freak:

[POed_Ex_Repub]

4. "Do a Cheney" n/t

[DS1]

die you moron fuck!

:nuke:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

5. Whatever

I use that one quite a bit. :-)

DTH, Who Loves NSMA's .sig

[Elidor]

7. A small pic of the Undead Dick sneering out the side of his mouth

Says it all.

[Angelus]

8. Your sigline sucks.

No offense. :hi:

Now...my sigline rules. :thumbsup:

[DoveTurnedHawk]

9. I'm Sure She'll Change It Now, Just for You (eom)

DTH

[unfrigginreal]

22. LOL

I think the NSMA's sig is funny. She does hang around different men than I do though...the men I'm around are always talking about big pricks and tight ______.:)

[Angelus]

It's not funny and it's false.

:)

But you're right. The men I'm around are always talking about big pricks and tight _____. :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

42. Thou doth protest too much, Love , Shakespeare

[DS1]

38. It confuses me...

I thought size didn't matter.. :evilgrin:

[Misunderestimator]

63. Oh, but it DOES...

That's why I have many sizes. ;)

[Forkboy]

66. hey now

the kids are up this time of day.

Wait til I'm asleep :)

[Misunderestimator]

71. Hey, that post was tamer than some of the stuff I saw in Shrek 2

:)

[Forkboy]

75. really? I need to get out more

:)

[Lefty48197]

11. Vaffan gu!

Or something like that. Kapeche?

[Misunderestimator]

25. Vaffanculo

;)

[devilgrrl]

64. Io???

Vaffanculo é tu!!! - Che Stronza!!!!!!! :mad:

:silly::silly::silly:

[Droopy]

13. There's one that I've seen one person use

on a consistent basis. Whenever somebody says something that is challenging, this person replies with something to the effect of, "I think you are just trying to pick a fight with that statement." And then goes on to lamely dismiss what was said. If you come back and say that you were not trying to pick a fight and then reinforce your original post with new ideas this person will say, "Yeah you are definitely trying to pick a fight with that statement." And then ignore what you said to back up your case. That's a pretty round about way of saying, "Fuck you."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

15. Yes never responding to your actual point is a way of saying it

[devilgrrl]

14. F*** You, you f***ing F***!!!!

I like to go for subtlety... :evilgrin:

[Parrcrow]

17. Tell them....

"Dick Cheney would have shook your hand"

[sus]

18. Tea is better than coffee, and anyone who disagrees with me deserves to

DIE.

BTW, I never post from home. I don't judge those of you who do but I lead a very active and fulfilling lifestyle and don't have the time. I only turn on my home computer to balance my checkbook and e-mail my sister.

[Misunderestimator]

19. That's funny, I was just about to start a similar thread...

Here we are pissing eachother off... ridiculing opinions without taking time to understand them... insulting smokers, overweight people, southerners, women...

Now how about that KERRY/EDWARDS ticket!!!

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Susang]

29. Have I told you lately that I love you?

Seriously, you're lucky I'm a married woman. ;-)

BTW, I don't tell anybody to fuck off, even in roundabout ways. That's the easy way out. For them! }(

[Zomby Woof]

51. what you do is...

Log off to watch Monk or the Avengers... :D

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

58. After seeing that pic of Mkuhl in the bathtub

I know you would never dump him for me :D

[Bat Boy]

78. Dear God, where is your sense of aesthetic?

The lighting was horrible, the composition was a bit off, and what the hell was that hairy, wet critter in the middle?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

88. But the pose and the look on your face more than made up

for the technical and the furball in the middle...

we can push the lighting and airbrush the hair :D

[Susang]

79. You know

It is a few years old...... :-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

91. time for an update

indeed :D

[sus]

31. I usually don't lower myself by using expressions such as "fuck off" and

I certainly won't start now.

I guess I'm just a better person than most...

[Zomby Woof]

you're even lower!

You cast us in sitcoms with washed-up 80's stars! :evilgrin:

[sus]

80. ZombyWoof, I truly pity you and your impotent ways..otherwise I

would tell you to do something that shall never pass over my lips.

I am, after all, the mother of two cats. I have transcended such juvenile behavior.

[Zomby Woof]

37. I am incapable of being covert with my insults

:evilgrin:

[Susang]

39. Ain't it the truth

:P

[Zomby Woof]

41. put that tongue away!

Do you know where it's been? :o

[Forkboy]

45. lol...I was just thinking the same thing

It's why I hate the damn rules!

[LWolf]

40. other.

"Whatever."

I'd express an opinion on the current gender wars, but I'm not wearing my flame suit today. I've already had a crushing morning, and am not up for battle. I'd share about that, but it would be likely to start an entirely different flame war.

So I'm off to find live people to discuss with; it's a lot harder to flame real people in real space and time than it is anonymous internet people.

I'll be browsing for some civil discussion when I return!

:hi:

[Zomby Woof]

43. you damn peacenik Kooch-supporters!

:loveya:

[Bat Boy]

60. It takes a hell of a lot to piss me off.

And when it happens I tend to take the back route into a "fuck you."

For instance:

As a comedy writer and teacher, I'll take one single, well crafted joke over 107 poorly thought out, redundant hack jokes any day of the week.

Seriously, I'm considering taking that in to my class to tear apart as a "how not to..."

edited for the hell of it...

[Zomby Woof]

62. well, screw you and

The duct tape you rode in on!

[Bat Boy]

68. Screwing me is one thing...

Screwing the duct tape would be a bit painful, I would think.

Best to just screw me.

Wait...that didn't come out right.....

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

69. Like this?

[Bat Boy]

74. Yeah. Something like that.

Now where might I find 107 crap jokes.

I wonder...

[Susang]

82. Hmmmm, I think I might know just the place....

http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~steinl/vitser/beer.html

[DS1]

84. Quite clearly, the answer is to put it in your sig line

:shrug:

[Kenneth ken]

86. love your new sig

it's my laugh of the day.

thanks!

:P

:hi:

My vote in your poll would be other: I never tell people to F*#* off, I just stop replying to their posts.

[Hubert Flottz]

87. We could start out on the hood couldn't we?

Jus Kidding! And I'd still respect you at the next John Kerry Rally!

[Moderator]

92. I'm locking this thread

as a continuation of the "sex wars"