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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:41 PM
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If you could pick any person throughout US history be prez in 2004....
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 09:44 PM by LynneSin
....to fix our country's problem who would you pick.

Edit note: Can't be anyone who is running for president now (or probably will be by Labor Day weekend). I don't want this to be a pissing fest over who the best democratic candidate is. Pretty please!
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:42 PM
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1. FDR...got us through one depression...
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:46 PM
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4. WAIT!!! I changed my mind! Benjamin Franklin!
I bet FDR would rather NOT deal with the Repukes.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:11 AM
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28. Congrats dorktv!! 200 posts
:toast:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:43 PM
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2. FDR maybe
RFK
at the present I gotta go with my guy DK
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:46 PM
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3. I was going to go with
FDR even before I read the other replies.

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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:47 PM
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5. Chief Seattle
http://www.halcyon.com/arborhts/chiefsea.html

Yonder sky that has wept tears of compassion upon my people for centuries untold, and which to us appears changeless and eternal, may change. Today is fair. Tomorrow it may be overcast with clouds. My words are like the stars that never change. Whatever Seattle says, the great chief at Washington can rely upon with as much certainty as he can upon the return of the sun or the seasons. The white chief says that Big Chief at Washington sends us greetings of friendship and goodwill. This is kind of him for we know he has little need of our friendship in return. His people are many. They are like the grass that covers vast prairies. My people are few. They resemble the scattering trees of a storm-swept plain. The great, and I presume -- good, White Chief sends us word that he wishes to buy our land but is willing to allow us enough to live comfortably. This indeed appears just, even generous, for the Red Man no longer has rights that he need respect, and the offer may be wise, also, as we are no longer in need of an extensive country.

There was a time when our people covered the land as the waves of a wind-ruffled sea cover its shell-paved floor, but that time long since passed away with the greatness of tribes that are now but a mournful memory. I will not dwell on, nor mourn over, our untimely decay, nor reproach my paleface brothers with hastening it, as we too may have been somewhat to blame.

Youth is impulsive. When our young men grow angry at some real or imaginary wrong, and disfigure their faces with black paint, it denotes that their hearts are black, and that they are often cruel and relentless, and our old men and old women are unable to restrain them. Thus it has ever been. Thus it was when the white man began to push our forefathers ever westward. But let us hope that the hostilities between us may never return. We would have everything to lose and nothing to gain. Revenge by young men is considered gain, even at the cost of their own lives, but old men who stay at home in times of war, and mothers who have sons to lose, know better.

Our good father in Washington--for I presume he is now our father as well as yours, since King George has moved his boundaries further north--our great and good father, I say, sends us word that if we do as he desires he will protect us. His brave warriors will be to us a bristling wall of strength, and his wonderful ships of war will fill our harbors, so that our ancient enemies far to the northward -- the Haidas and Tsimshians -- will cease to frighten our women, children, and old men. Then in reality he will be our father and we his children. But can that ever be? Your God is not our God! Your God loves your people and hates mine! He folds his strong protecting arms lovingly about the paleface and leads him by the hand as a father leads an infant son. But, He has forsaken His Red children, if they really are His. Our God, the Great Spirit, seems also to have forsaken us. Your God makes your people wax stronger every day. Soon they will fill all the land. Our people are ebbing away like a rapidly receding tide that will never return. The white man's God cannot love our people or He would protect them. They seem to be orphans who can look nowhere for help. How then can we be brothers? How can your God become our God and renew our prosperity and awaken in us dreams of returning greatness? If we have a common Heavenly Father He must be partial, for He came to His paleface children. We never saw Him. He gave you laws but had no word for His red children whose teeming multitudes once filled this vast continent as stars fill the firmament. No; we are two distinct races with separate origins and separate destinies. There is little in common between us.

To us the ashes of our ancestors are sacred and their resting place is hallowed ground. You wander far from the graves of your ancestors and seemingly without regret. Your religion was written upon tablets of stone by the iron finger of your God so that you could not forget. The Red Man could never comprehend or remember it. Our religion is the traditions of our ancestors -- the dreams of our old men, given them in solemn hours of the night by the Great Spirit; and the visions of our sachems, and is written in the hearts of our people.

Your dead cease to love you and the land of their nativity as soon as they pass the portals of the tomb and wander away beyond the stars. They are soon forgotten and never return. Our dead never forget this beautiful world that gave them being. They still love its verdant valleys, its murmuring rivers, its magnificent mountains, sequestered vales and verdant lined lakes and bays, and ever yearn in tender fond affection over the lonely hearted living, and often return from the happy hunting ground to visit, guide, console, and comfort them.

Day and night cannot dwell together. The Red Man has ever fled the approach of the White Man, as the morning mist flees before the morning sun. However, your proposition seems fair and I think that my people will accept it and will retire to the reservation you offer them. Then we will dwell apart in peace, for the words of the Great White Chief seem to be the words of nature speaking to my people out of dense darkness.

It matters little where we pass the remnant of our days. They will not be many. The Indian's night promises to be dark. Not a single star of hope hovers above his horizon. Sad-voiced winds moan in the distance. Grim fate seems to be on the Red Man's trail, and wherever he will hear the approaching footsteps of his fell destroyer and prepare stolidly to meet his doom, as does the wounded doe that hears the approaching footsteps of the hunter.

A few more moons, a few more winters, and not one of the descendants of the mighty hosts that once moved over this broad land or lived in happy homes, protected by the Great Spirit, will remain to mourn over the graves of a people once more powerful and hopeful than yours. But why should I mourn at the untimely fate of my people? Tribe follows tribe, and nation follows nation, like the waves of the sea. It is the order of nature, and regret is useless. Your time of decay may be distant, but it will surely come, for even the White Man whose God walked and talked with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We will see.

We will ponder your proposition and when we decide we will let you know. But should we accept it, I here and now make this condition that we will not be denied the privilege without molestation of visiting at any time the tombs of our ancestors, friends, and children. Every part of this soil is sacred in the estimation of my people. Every hillside, every valley, every plain and grove, has been hallowed by some sad or happy event in days long vanished. Even the rocks, which seem to be dumb and dead as the swelter in the sun along the silent shore, thrill with memories of stirring events connected with the lives of my people, and the very dust upon which you now stand responds more lovingly to their footsteps than yours, because it is rich with the blood of our ancestors, and our bare feet are conscious of the sympathetic touch. Our departed braves, fond mothers, glad, happy hearted maidens, and even the little children who lived here and rejoiced here for a brief season, will love these somber solitudes and at eventide they greet shadowy returning spirits. And when the last Red Man shall have perished, and the memory of my tribe shall have become a myth among the White Men, these shores will swarm with the invisible dead of my tribe, and when your children's children think themselves alone in the field, the store, the shop, upon the highway, or in the silence of the pathless woods, they will not be alone. In all the earth there is no place dedicated to solitude. At night when the streets of your cities and villages are silent and you think them deserted, they will throng with the returning hosts that once filled them and still love this beautiful land. The White Man will never be alone.

Let him be just and deal kindly with my people, for the dead are not powerless. Dead, did I say? There is no death, only a change of worlds.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:49 PM
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6. Huey P. Long
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:51 PM
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7. your bias Ms. Louisana
its ok; I hear the Kingfish was a stand up guy.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:58 PM
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8. Yup...."......EVERY Man a KING!!"
;-)
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 09:58 PM
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9. Bill Clinton, MLK, and my sentimental choice...
..my dad.
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:03 PM
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10. Hillary Clinton
This Country needs another Clinton!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:17 PM
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22. You can't be serious
Please
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:03 PM
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11. Lenny Bruce
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:04 PM
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12. TR
social change please...
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:08 PM
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13. A few ideas...
...JFK, Abe Lincoln, Mohandas K. Gandhi, Harvey Milk, Mary Queen of Scots, Sir Robert Menzies, just to name a few. Anyone but Bush* right?
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SaveABug Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:10 PM
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14. Thomas Jefferson and his philosophical best friend
John Locke.

No question about it. That is what we now need.
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:19 PM
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15. Margaret Sanger!
http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/sanger.html

Eleanor Roosevelt would suit me fine, too!
:kick:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:22 PM
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16. harry s truman
there`s no one i`d trust more to give me a straight answer. tough times demand a tough guy.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:28 PM
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17. Elanor Roosevelt
with JFK coming in a close second (we NEED someone the rest of the world will respect) and FDR in 3rd.

david

Kucinich 2004

Arianna YES
Recall No
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:35 PM
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18. Al Gore
Edited on Wed Aug-27-03 10:36 PM by billbuckhead
The Earth really is in the balance.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:18 PM
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23. Yes Eleanor
I would love to see her put Tom Delay in his place.
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:48 PM
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19. Frank Zappa
Who was highly knowledgable about politics, economics, and what makes people tick.
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Mel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 10:52 PM
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20. Give em' hell
Harry S. Truman I'd like to see him kick some puke butts

Paul Wellstone or Bernie Sanders
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:16 PM
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21. Will Rogers
Boy, this nation needs a little truth telling and I figure there weren't many that told the truth as well as Will.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:31 PM
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24. Richard Feynman
He could take everything on dubya's political plate, eat it up and spit it out. Slap me for wanting someone with a brain to win.
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Keithpotkin Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 11:46 PM
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25. ezra crack....
of the good...the bad....and the leftover crack.
:smoke: :nuke: :smoke:
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dad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:33 AM
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26. Ralph Nader is like a saint coming down to earth and live amongst us
Nader would've won in 2000, if it were not for Gore siphoning off his votes
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Keithpotkin Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 12:17 AM
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41. what.?
what does nader have u do with me thinking ezra crack would make a great president?
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:36 AM
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27. Bobby Kennedy, at the time of his death...
His potential was unlimited (yes, I'm well aware of his unsavory connections). He could have been the voice of a generation, instead he was replaced in the family by Teddy-a good guy, certainly, but not a real leader. He was am incredible loss to America.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:34 AM
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29. Susan Sontag
.
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CBHagman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:10 PM
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30. Too many to name, but...
FDR, because he looked to the good of the average worker (or unemployed person!).

Harry Truman, because he didn't suffer fools gladly.

Bernie Sanders, for the same reasons as both of the above. :-)

Eleanor Roosevelt, because of her moral vision AND it would enrage the scary, selfish, misgynistic weasels in Congress and elsewhere. We know who they are.

Bill Clinton, because it would be nice to see adoring crowds flock around a president, and not just at pre-screened, choreagraphed events. Plus it would enrage the RW weasels.

George Marshall.

Theodore Roosevelt, for his environmental and antitrust policies.



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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:19 PM
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31. FDR! He'd could expand the Supremes again...
...and make Scalia and Thomas cry in their isolation!
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:21 PM
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32. Bobby Kennedy
Because everyone seems to have liked the guy, even though he died a decade before I was born.

Hell, even Bill O'Reilly counts him among his favorite politicians of all time.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:24 PM
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33. Eugene V. Debs.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:25 PM by JanMichael
Somebody with some spine.

EDIT: Noticed another post with Bernie Sanders listed, yeah, he'd kick ass too.

DK as well.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:25 PM
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34. RFK...
FDR was a bit too much of a hawk.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:27 PM
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35. Helen Keller
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:29 PM by KamaAina
with yours truly as the official White House independent living specialist :-)

What the heck, she's already on the quarter! (the new Alabama state quarter, complete with her name in Braille)

In some circles Keller is better known as a pioneering female socialist writer than she is as a person with a disability.

Edit: Campaign slogan for the ages: "They say justice is blind. Social justice for America is both blind and deaf."
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sujan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:28 PM
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36. none
they all equally suck. Some more so than the others. Like this one, the dimson.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:28 PM
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37. Wellstone
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KinkyDem Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:08 PM
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38. JC himself
Jimmy Carter of course!

Or FDR.
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bigwoody Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:56 PM
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39. Hugh Hefner. A true American genius! Plus he would piss the reichwing
off forever. He would focus the country's energy on important stuff, like hedonism!:toast:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:26 PM
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40. I just would love to have Bill Clinton back
although FDR and Jimmy Carter would be great choices too!

I'd love JFK, but I don't think his infidelities would pass the muster in 2004.....
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 12:45 AM
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42. Helen Thomas...
...with Molly Ivins as V.P.
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