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slater71 Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:06 AM
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Does Laura Bush smoke?
And if she does, how does she get away with smoking in a government house or properity? Just wondering.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:07 AM
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1. why would you think that? n/t
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:08 AM
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2. I don't think Pickles does much of any thing
She is kind of a non entity , a sort of Nancy Reagan Lite.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:09 AM
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3. I think only Xanax is her drug of choice. eom
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:09 AM
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4. I read somewhere that she is a chain smoker. n/t
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:11 AM
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7. If she were a "chain smoker" you would have seen the chain already.
I don't know if she is a smoker, but if she is she probably does not smoke much. Smoking inside any government building is almost impossible anymore, so she would have to be running outside all the time.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:11 AM
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5. I always thought she must smoke, because she has those little lines
all around her lipline.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:30 AM
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15. Drag lines.
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:30 AM
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16. I have noticed them too. My guess..Chain Smoker.
You'd have to be, being around * all day long.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 12:44 PM
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27. Those are from age and genetics, NOT from smoking!
Ask any plastic surgeon. I used to think the same thing, but it's incorrect.
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 03:36 PM
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32. I saw a doctor on TV talking about appealing to people's vanity to stop
smoking, by showing them the affects it has on their appearance, including causing those lines. It's from making your lips pucker up so much more often than non-smokers. Maybe it's not caused only by smoking, but it seems logical to me, that it would make them more likely or prominent. People who don't furrow their brows or squint their eyes probably wouldn't get those lines as much or as deep either.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 04:11 PM
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33. Nope. I'm telling you that's incorrect.
And I think that a doctor who specialized in this sort of thing would know better than just any old md. Why don't you do a search on it, and see for yourself, if you don't believe me?
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 04:54 PM
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34. OK, I'm really not obsessed.....
Actually, I wouldn't have searched if you hadn't told me to!LOL! I came up with LOTS of hits on the subject, and none that I clicked on said smoking does NOT cause wrinkles.

I'm really not trying to be difficult. I don't doubt that there is difference of opinion on this topic, and that the doc told you what you said. Like I said, I wouldn't have even done this search, except that you suggested it and I was curious. :-)




http://dermatology.about.com/cs/beauty/a/wrinklecause_2.htm
Muscle Use and Wrinkles
Habitual facial expressions cause the skin to wrinkle as it looses elasticity. Frown lines between the eyebrows and crows feet radiating from the corners of the eyes develop as the tiny muscles in those areas permanently contract.

http://www.aestheticsurgerycenter.com/publications/Jan2000/
Smoking causes wrinkles around your mouth...

http://www.utmb.edu/ERC/facts/3013.pdf
Stop smoking. Smoking causes wrinkles, crow’s feet, and other skin problems.

http://dermnetnz.org/site-age-specific/wrinkles.html
Facial lines and wrinkles (rhytides) form because of the following factors... (snip)... Smoking


http://www.e-hospi.com/Beware/Smoking/SmokWrink.asp
We all develop skin wrinkles with age, but cigarette smoking can accelerate the process. Smokers in the 40-49 age group frequently have facial wrinkles equal to those of nonsmokers who are 20 years older

The telltale wrinkles caused by smoking may include:
* Lines or wrinkles spreading from the upper or lower lips, or at right angles from the corners of the eyes (crow's feet).
* Deep lines or numerous shallow lines on the cheeks and lower jaw.
* Slight hollowness of the cheeks, which emphasizes the bony contours of the face and leads to a gaunt appearance; a leathery or worn appearance to the facial side, which may have a grayish tinge.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:11 AM
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6. Both she and Bush smoked in the past,
and there's been mention made of Laura smoking during the 2000 campaign. As to where she'd sneak a smoke... I have no idea. The last President I can remember who frequently smoked in the White House was Ford (he smoked a pipe). The last heavy cigarette smoker was probably FDR, though I could be wrong about that.
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:18 AM
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10. Kennedy was a smoker too
As long as she's not breaking any laws (smoking in non smoking buildings) I don't really see what her smoking has anything to do with anything. Most public buildings have smoke alarms anyway. I don't think she'd be dumb enough to risk setting alarms off so she could smoke. And also with the Press being present quite often I would think her disregarding the rules would have gotten out by now.
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:24 AM
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14. Yes, I remember seeing JFK smoking in the film "Primary."
But I don't think he was nearly as heavy a smoker as FDR, who was seen smoking very frequently. It probably helped kill him, in fact.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:43 AM
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20. Kennedy was a big-time cigar smoker
His favorites were Cubans with candela wrappers, those weird light-green cigars you sometimes see old men puffing on.

It is a legend in the cigar community that before Kennedy imposed the Cuban embargo, he sent aides around to all the tobacconists they could find to buy all the Cuban candelas available. Kennedy wanted enough Cuban candelas on hand to last him the rest of his life.

Unfortunately, it didn't take all that many.

As for the government building smoking ban...I would assume that the White House follows the same smoking rules as a barracks, where you can smoke in your living quarters but can't smoke in the public areas.
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olddem43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:20 AM
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11. Jackie Kennedy was a smoker too but
it was kept carefully hidden from the public. It didn't fit with her classy image.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:13 AM
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8. Who gives a shit?
Unless she's an active anti-tobacco campaigner, honestly, what does it matter?

Another question I'd ask: IF she smokes, why do you assume that she doesn't step outside to smoke, like it seems everyone else does?

Another question: why harp on Laura Bush? Even on the first day that smoking in federal buildings was banned, men surely smoked in the White House with impunity.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:05 AM
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24. I Do. I Think It's Interesting To Know Minutiae Like This
Perhaps executive privelege has been able to allow her to get around such trifling regulations. Maybe she has a heated/air-conditioned gazebo (like Arnold's smoking tent).

It also matters because it serves as tangible evidence that she (like everyone) has their flaws... irrespective of what the Republiborg would have us believe about themselves and the First* Family.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:21 AM
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26. good points. check this out about
the leader of the firm where I work: Of course it's illegal to smoke in an office building in DC. But he does. Cigars. It's rumored 15-20 per day. In his office. Oh, it's okay, though, because he had a special ventilation system installed in his office. 'Course, anyone who goes to that floor instantly knows that that system doesn't do shit, but hey. Power can do whatever it fucking wants to do, right?
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:01 PM
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30. OMG... 15 Cigars A DAY??? Amazing.
Yep... "separate" ventilation systems usually aren't. And unless there's a constant fan that's strong enough to cause a breeze when it's ventilating smoke to the outside... there's plenty of smoke that seeps under the doors and out into the main building.

Also... it gets DEEP into walls and fabrics and upholstry and carpet and even the stuffing inside furniture. Ugh!

-- Allen
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Droopy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:16 AM
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9. So what if she does?
She probably has to do something to be able to deal with Shrub.
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:23 AM
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12. I think she does, but,
the white house doesn't belong to the people anymore, so, she can do what she damn well pleases. It's okay by me if they want to shorten their miserable lives, and die in agony, cheney both of them.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:24 AM
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13. I bet she retreats from the world
with a good book and a smoke. And I don't begrudge her that one bit. She needs her pleasures, like anyone else.
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Gato Moteado Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:32 AM
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17. i remember reading that the first thing chimpy planned to do....
...as soon as he took office was to remove the smoking ban from the whitehouse because pickles was a smoker.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:34 AM
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18. The real question is what does Laura Bush smoke?
pot? crack? tobacco?

And, is it smoking or is it valium? Not that there's anything wrong with that. . .
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:41 AM
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19. Are private living quarters subject to DC's anti-smoking regulations?
And, if so, is the residence at the White House considered private quarters? If it is, then she can smoke wherever she chooses. If not, I suspect she steps out onto a balcony, patio or just outside a door, just like everyone else. (Plenty of private citizens who smoke don't do it in their house.)

I have no idea if she smokes or not, but since anti-smoking isn't her pet project, I don't care.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 09:29 AM
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22. I was wondering the same thing.
I think if she wants to smoke in the private quarters of the White House, and no one else who lives there objects, then she should be allowed to smoke. After all, the private quarters are her home, so to speak. There are no small children or minors about, so why not?

She may choose to step outside anyway. Many folks do this regardless, and the powers that be could probably have come up with some comfortable outside smoking area for her if she wanted that.
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 08:44 AM
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21. Does she smoke?
Who cares? If she does, it's still legal, so it doesn't matter. It may not be healthy, but it's her life.
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Zolok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 10:12 AM
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23. Hell yesss! Snooch to the bootch!
Yup she sparks up a mad phat doobie and screams with laughter as she watches "Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back" fer like the umpteenth time.
Wouldn't YOU smoke if you were her????
:)
www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 11:19 AM
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25. I posted the same question about 6 months ago
The consensus then was that she is indeed an admitted addict.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 12:55 PM
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28. I heard yes
Unfortunately while they're living in Al Gore's house I don't think there is anyway to stop her smoking inside her own residential area. People can still smoke inside rental apartments, can't they?
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 01:14 PM
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29. re: smoking in apartments
there are actually smoke-free apartments in Los Angeles. I've seen signs around buildings that prohibit smoking anywhere on the premises, including inside private apartments.

My ex-boyfriend's sister works for an agency that tries to convince landlords to make their buildings smoke-free.

But most apartments are not like this of course.
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belladonna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-12-04 02:12 PM
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31. If I had the bad fortune to get hitched to that asshole
I'd be smoking, but it wouldn't be cigarettes...
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