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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:37 AM
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explain to me shirtless guys
I've never been (even when in great shape) one of these guys who just hangs around shirtless.

For instance, I just stopped by the AM/PM on the corner for munchies. As I was leaving, a car pulled up with 4 guys, none of them wearing shirts.

Who are these people? I just don't get it.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:42 AM
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1. They think they're hot shite or something
Sometimes it's kewl to see guys walk around shirtless (e.g, on a hot day at the park), but lately it seems that anywhere is a good place to go sans shirt...
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:05 AM
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9. Yeah
At the park, at the beach, when it's hot, that's fine.

But we're talking about midnight, and we're a good 25 minute drive from the beach.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:07 AM
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10. yeah they're morons
They just want to attract the ladies :)
Newsflash to those guys: I, and not any decent woman, gives a shit.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:10 AM
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11. Hahaha!
They're not after a "decent" woman!

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:17 AM
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13. oh...
Yeah, you're right :)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:49 AM
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2. I like the ones who walk down the street
with their shirts in their back pocket. 'Cuz, ya know, that's COOL!

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:52 AM
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3. LOL
ok, that cracked me up. Those guys just make me laugh :)
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:21 AM
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48. If it's REALLY hot,
my hubby sometimes wraps his around his head to absorb the sweat. Working outside is a very hot affair. Last Saturday, while I was out there working with him, he wrapped a towel around my head for me. He soaked in cold water first. It was great. When you wear glasses, the sweat really gets on your nerves even worse.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:22 PM
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64. Sometimes you need to be able to comply with the no shirt no service rules
The true measure of a great oulaw/wild rebel is knowing when to say when.
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Spinzonner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:56 AM
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4. Yes, but were their boxer shorts above the drooping tops of their pants

That makes them really big stuff
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:59 AM
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6. Ugh.
I saw a kid at the gas station yesterday. His pants were so low that were it not for his underpants, his cock would have been hanging out. It was funny watching him dig in his pocket for change.

DUDES: That is NOT cool. Pull up your goddamn pants, ya loser.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:01 PM
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74. I've always wanted to run up behind them and pull their pants
all the way down and take off running.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:04 AM
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8. Oh, yes
and at least two were sporting nipple rings.

That's okay. I was wearing my Survivor buff (black), so I was cooler than anyone else there. :evilgrin:
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texas1928 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:01 AM
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38. I can not stand that.
You want to reach over and yank their pants up since they can not seem to do it themselves. I can not stand to have a baggy crotch, pull your pants up.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 03:58 AM
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5. I don't understand it. I don't WANT to understand it.... Flashbacks.
My father, the psycho sot, is one of those "I'm too sexy for my shirt" types. 5:33, he'd roll in from his office - 4:33 if we happened to be living on base - and the first thing he'd do was strip off his uniform shirt and undershirt and walk around strutting his stuff. His hairy, yechy stuff.

Weekends that he wasn't out playing Boy scouts with the heavy artillery were even worse. Spandex baseball shorts (the ones that are too short to really be decent, and too tight to be even remotely concealing), tube socks with the stripes to his knees, and his PT shoes.

Oh, the trauma.

Pcat
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:03 AM
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7. *shivers*
Like my father who, on a hot summer day, immediately comes home and rips off ALL clothes except a pair of shorts (with nothing on underneath, don't ask me how i know that, lets just say i know, and i didn't want to...yes, i am scarred for life, thank you very much) and struts around for the rest of the day like this...

sad times
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:16 AM
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12. dang, Nation, do we have the same father???
n/t
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 04:54 AM
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14. hey!
The shirtless boys are the best reason to live here in Santa Cruz!
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:11 AM
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15. I was once one of them!
Many moons ago...
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 06:53 AM
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18. You live in Santa Cruz?
nice place, with a nice beach. It's one of the few places in CA I've ever been to, the others being Oakland, San Fran and Berkeley.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:33 AM
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24. Amen!
West Hollywood too.
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 05:34 AM
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16. I can't explain it
Like the specimen who waddled around our local Dairy Queen last night with his beer belly hanging over his un-pulled-up shorts, seemingly oblivious to the stares of half of the Little League team enjoying their ice cream after a win (not to mention the nonplussed adults present). I had a hard time enjoying my Dilly Bar with this guy wandering about so close to our table!
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 06:00 AM
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17. I do not understand. In Alaska they used to come in to store in a vest.
With arms bare. In Alaska.In the Winter.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 07:15 AM
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19. When its hot I take my shirt off sometimes - but I grew up at the beach
It horrifies my fiancé when I walk around our city barefoot in the summer. That's just how we grew up.
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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:21 AM
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20. Dude, if its hot, take off your shirt
I've never been one to judge anyone's actions. I'm all for topless nudity for whatever reason you want. I take off my shirt when its hot outside. I drive to to deli when its hot w/ no shirt on. I would never go into a business that would be inappropritate, like a resteraunt, Sears or Home Depot. However, I do go to the gas stations without a top on.

I think more women should join me too.
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:23 AM
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21. I resent that it's usually illegal for women to got topless but not men
I REALLY don't need to see bare man titties... unless I'm prepared to, like at the beach or something.
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:33 AM
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23. How do you prepare yourself for man boobies?
Yoga?
Stretching?
LaMaze breathing?


:loveya:

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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:34 AM
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25. Putting on really dark glasses
:evilgrin:
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:42 AM
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32. ok, we'll make it illegal...
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 09:43 AM by sundog
but only if you put me in charge of arrests & citations :evilgrin:
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Misunderestimator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:44 AM
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34. It IS already illegal in most places as "indecent exposure"
Edited on Wed Jul-14-04 09:44 AM by Misunderestimator
but in any case, I already applied for that job.

:evilgrin:
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:45 AM
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35. no! I called it first!
:grr:
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:39 AM
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53. Just move to Ontario, then.
If it pisses this freep off that much, it must be good.

http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/6107/

On December 10, 1996, a three-member panel of the powerful, incompetent, and appointed-for-life Ontario Court of Appeal unanimously ruled that a troubled young lady, Gwen Jacob, had not violated community standards by walking topless down a street in Guelph, despite indisputable proof to the contrary. In this ruling, these hated judges stripped Ontarians of any right to determine their own community standards and transferred that power to themselves.
Socialist Canada is not a nice place to live in. Comparable to police states, Canada's judiciary is now a world leader for putting people in prison. Hostile to free speech, Canada is ranked 13th in the world for free speech rights. Canadians are burdened with the second highest taxes in the world, 1/4 of that just to maintain interest payments on government debt. Since 1990, the average Canadian has suffered a massive 20% drop in standard of living compared to the average neighbouring American. High-level corruption is out of control. Canada is a failure by most standards one has to measure such things, and not surprisingly, is exhibiting the classic symptoms of failed communist states.

79% of Canadian women want toplessness prohibited in public. 80% of Canadians
want meaningful judicial reforms. The Federal Canadian government, popularly called "The Five Year Dictatorship" has simply refused or ignored pleas for either. In fact, Canada has been perverted into such a defacto dictatorship that most MP's
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:02 PM
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60. Yeah, no shit!
I mean, I don't really care if guys go around topless, because hell, it's hot out and I can understand it. It just completely chaps my ass that if I wear a shirt that's skimpy everybody automatically assumes that I want to be "looked at" or catcalled or I'm a whore, rather than thinking that I want to be comfortable on a hot day. And meanwhile guys go around WITHOUT THEIR FUCKING SHIRTS ON and nobody (or very few people) thinks of it the same way as me wearing a tank top (note: still WEARING a shirt) on a hot day. :wtf:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:31 AM
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22. Don't you watch"Cops?"
When I feel like committing a crime, it just feels better to be bare chested. Like the other day. I'm sitting in my trailer, the kids are screaming and I am drunk. So I shot the neighbors car. I never liked it much and it is an ugly color. The police arrive, I take a swing at one of them, they all tackle me and I start crying and asking for forgiveness while they hog-tie me. I could not have accomplished all that with a shirt on -- no way.
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regularguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:11 AM
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29. Thanks for the laugh!
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:34 AM
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26. I don't like to appear outside my house without a shirt on.
Partly due to being self-conscious, partly because I think it's just weird and dirty.

Heck even when I'm in my house all alone, I prefer to have a shirt on.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:47 AM
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27. That's how I know it's spring
The first shirtless Chelsea gym bunny
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:51 AM
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28. Well, it all depends on the shirtless guys
Unfortunately, it's frequently guys who aren't hot and have a really bad attitude.
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sundog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:34 AM
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30. doesn't bother me
:evilgrin: just part of the summer scene... I don't expect everyone to be running around in their high collars & puritan gear on a hot summer's day...
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:35 AM
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31. My hubby is shirtless 90 percent of the time.
He works outside. He's in construction. I think it's a HEAT thing.

That being said, he does NOT go shirtless out in the general public. At lunch, he puts his shirt on to go to the DQ. He puts it on to drive home. As soon as he gets home, though, it comes off.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:43 AM
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33. Woof! Does he have a brother?
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:56 AM
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37. Bad subject....
they both died recently. Albert was 40 and had a heart attack May 11. Bobby was 35 and drowned June 3. Him being the only son left really weighs on him.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:10 AM
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39. jesus, that's awful
you have my sympathies.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:13 AM
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42. Thank you.
It is on my mind today b/c I just found out a lady we really cared for died last night.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:13 AM
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41. I"m so sorry!
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:14 AM
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47. 'sokay, pagerbear
you had no way of knowing - and that just came out of me - i coulda kept it to myself.

You know the funniest part about these construction workers that go shirtless all the time? My hubby is VERY dark (last night, he said he almost matches the Guatemalans working on his job) - ON TOP. The rest of his body is white as a sheet!
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 09:45 AM
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36. Run Ronnie Run!
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:12 AM
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40. ok, I'll explain it.
sometimes it's hot. so you don't wear a shirt. sometimes it's not so hot so you wear a sweater. Sometimes you have to wear a shirt, for work or to get into the A&P, for instance, so you wear a shirt.

what's the problem?
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 08:13 PM
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55. It wasn't hot
nice mild temps, actually almost cool, around midnight.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:35 AM
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56. hot's a state of mind
you know, for some people 70 is hot, others wouldn't be seen in shorts under 110.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:13 AM
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43. Come to Rio in February (nt)
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:35 AM
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51. Hey! We'll all stay at JCCyC's house!
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 01:53 PM
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54. You'll be real cramped
But somehow I suspect this is part of the plan.
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tsakshaug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 10:17 AM
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44. with jeans
How about the shitless guys wearing blue jeans?
if it is too hot out to wear a shirt, put on shorts.
I actually find it to feel like it is cooler to wear a light colored shirt
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Ivan Sputnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:02 AM
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45. It makes them feel sexy
I guess.

I'm in pretty good shape (if I do say so myself), but I never go around shirtless in public (except at the beach) or even at home. Too self conscious. If it's super hot or I feel the need to show off, I wear a muscle shirt.
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m-jean03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:12 AM
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46. If I was a guy

I would go shirtless as much as I could!! Beats sweating under clothing.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:24 AM
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49. Is This A Continuation Of The Sex Wars???
Maybe they were proud of their beerguts and scraggly furry saggy man-breasts. (Or were they buff?)

-- Allen
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:32 AM
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50. At the risk of being flamed...
I will propose it's a social class issue. The neighborhood we just moved out of in Madison (WI) had nary a bare chest, despite all ranges of ages. In fact, I can't recall more than one or two in the SEVEN years we lived there. Now, up here in Conservative Land, I see one or two a MINUTE, no lie. It's quite odd, actually.
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pagerbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-14-04 11:39 AM
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52. I'm with you
Outside of a beach community or someplace like Chelsea, where the gym bunnies go to see and be seen, it has been my observation that one sees fewer shirtless men among the more educated or moneyed folk.

Just an observation. Flame me if you like. I can take it.
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 08:52 AM
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57. I'd get to many complaints
This old catfish belly hasn't seen day light in 20 years.
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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:04 PM
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58. Why does anyone care
one way or the other? Should we all be running around in burkas? If you don't like the way someone looks, don't stare at them. Otherwise, who on earth cares what anyone else is wearing or not wearing?

I think it's bizarre that teenagers wear big puffy jackets when it's 85, but if that's their trip, more power to 'em. It's a free country.

I swear, some people seem to want us all in uniforms. Look, I don't care if a fat lady wears stretch pants, if a man with a big hairy beer gut runs around in a speedo, or if the local populace favors tiaras and pink boas. It's not my problem, so long as no one tries to regulate what I do or do not wear.
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:08 PM
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62. ...
Look, I don't care if a fat lady wears stretch pants, if a man with a big hairy beer gut runs around in a speedo, or if the local populace favors tiaras and pink boas. It's not my problem, so long as no one tries to regulate what I do or do not wear.

Amen to that! I wish we had an applauding smiley, complete with audio. :)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 02:28 PM
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59. I rode my bike to the office shirtless
So my shirt wouldn't smell all day and to catch some rays.
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:06 PM
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61. I mow the lawn shirtless all the time!
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 04:06 PM by matcom
2 reasons:

1) gives me a nice tan
2) pisses off the neighbors cause they have to see my PEACE tattoo on my back shoulder

tickets for all DU ladies available at the front desk for $10/showing :D
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:09 PM
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63. If I show you my...
tats and piercing do I get a discount? ;)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:28 PM
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65. depends on where they are located
:D
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:35 PM
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67. Well, you can ask Will...
where the tats are. He saw them, along with several other DUers, when he was here in Texas. And I wasn't even drunk at the time.

The piercing is in a highly personal location. ;)
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ironflange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:28 PM
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66. You oughta see the guy in the house behind me
Goes without a shirt most of the time. Only one word needed: eeeeeuuuwwwwww!
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MsUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:51 PM
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68. OK, to me there is just something appealing about a guy......
who's working outside, has a great tan, is in pretty good shape, is wearing blue jeans, work boots, a tool belt, and no shirt. There's just something about that. Sorry, I like it. I think it's I'm married but I can still look, or I'm not dead response. :)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:52 PM
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69. welcome to DU MsUSA!!
and my address is as follows......... :D

:hi:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 04:58 PM
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70. Lots Of Shirtless Guys On Daytime Dramas (SOAP Operas)
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 04:59 PM by arwalden
Buff, hunky, tan, trim, slim, six-pack-abs... deltoid and a bicep, a hot groin and a tricep... makes me shake, makes me wanna take Charles Atlas by the...h-h-hand. In just seven days--oh baby--I can make you a man!
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:00 PM
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71. SLUT!!
:D

i'll be mowing my lawn at 9:30 am Saturday Morning Allen (if your interested)

:P
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:00 PM
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73. Talk about the pot...
calling the kettle black. You're just anybody's dog that'll hunt with ya, matcom. :P
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:01 PM
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75. he who lives in glass houses.....
SHOULD throw stones! :bounce:
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:03 PM
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76. Don't Tease Me... You Know I'm Crazy About You!!
But if watching is all I can hope for, then that's what I'll have to settle for. Sigh.

-- Allen
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:05 PM
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77. He's such a little tease, Allen.
Leadin' you on and then breakin' your heart like that. ;)
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:05 PM
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78. Sorry. I cannot Love A Man With No Duck
x(

WHERE is my Gay Stars Duck DAMMIT!!!??????? x(
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:15 PM
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79. He's On Vacation...
Fire Island, I think. Then a month in Key West... then it's off to San Francisco... followed by a week or so in West Hollywood. After that he's recuperating in Provincetown and will be back home shortly after.

-- Allen
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 05:00 PM
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72. All that dynamic tension...
must be hard work. ;)
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