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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:08 PM
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Damn you, Stephen Hawking!
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/203/world/Hawking_unveils_new_thinking_o:.shtml

...Hawking's answer is that the black holes hold their contents for eons but themselves eventually deteriorate and die. As the black hole disintegrates, they send their transformed contents back out into the infinite universal horizons from which they came.

Previously, Hawking, 62, had held out the possibility that disappearing matter travels into a new parallel universe within the black hole the very stuff of most visionary science fiction.

''There is no baby universe branching off, as I once thought. The information remains firmly in our universe,'' Hawking said in a speech to about 800 physicists and other scientists from 50 countries.

''I'm sorry to disappoint science fiction fans, but if information is preserved, there is no possibility of using black holes to travel to other universes,'' he said...

There go my plans to leave the universe! :grr:
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:10 PM
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1. Yeah, this universe sucks! I want to go to a new one!
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:12 PM
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2. Can't the Republicans take this one and humanity take another?
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Worst Username Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:12 PM
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3. I could totally kick that guys ass! n/t
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:12 PM
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4. I think Stephen is saving it all for himself
just remember the so called laws of physics and you'll feel better. They used to say that the atom was the smallest particle - we now have the quark.

http://www2.slac.stanford.edu/vvc/theory/quarks.html
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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:27 PM
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14. Um....
String theory?
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:13 PM
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5. you can still rotate a torus...
Make it dense enough, and rotate it fast enough, and you get a naked singularity in the middle. It might (or might not) lead to another universe.

Or, so I'm told. I couldn't make it work with my donut.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:15 PM
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8. mmmmmmmmm
donuuutss
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:16 PM
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10. "Homer, your theory of a donut shaped universe is intriguing."
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:21 PM
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12. If you'd stop taking bites out as it rotates past ...
you might get it to work.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:56 PM
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16. Yes, but my taking bites of the donut...
He is adding them to his own infinite horizon.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:14 PM
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6. did he put the
"bush equation" into his theory? certainly this would have him rethink his latest ideas on black holes
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:14 PM
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7. hey, relax
it's just a theory. Until we shoot a couple of freepers into a black hole, we really have no idea what will happen.

that hawking is a flip-flopper.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:45 PM
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19. Or - maybe obsessed with his ummmmm - sex life?
:shrug:
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Flagius Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:15 PM
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9. Well...
It doesn't mean that there are no parallel dimensions, there almost certainly are, it just means that you cant use a Black Hole to get to one.
The really interesting thing is how this might pertain to the theory that eventually the stars in the universe will just burn out and everything will be a bunch of dead stars and black holes. Maybe they act as some sort of cosmic recycling center.
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damnraddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:20 PM
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11. Quantum decay does the trick.
But who's to say some doesn't leak into another universe? Hey, check it out: aim your starship at the nearest event horizon.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:03 PM
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18. that's funny
my son was asking me what happens in a black hole.. .I think he saw something in a cartoon and now I have the "definitive" answer from SH.
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:26 PM
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13. Were you planning a vacation to Vega?
Besides, I thought wormholes were the ticket?
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 12:54 PM
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15. I call it a Hawking Hole
It was my idea

david
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:02 PM
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17. here is my admittedly amateur question...
we know that virtual particles are created on the cusp of the event horizon. right on the edge you could have a virtual particle pair, one just on one side and one just on the other, the latter would "leak" out into the universe and the former would fall back into the black hole.

What I don't understand is...say you have a ship capapble of Light speed. Why couldn't it park right on the border and right on the edge somehow deliver information? Perhaps create some pair particles right on the edge?

Eh what do I know? lol
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sus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-21-04 01:46 PM
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20. i could kick his ass.
i'm just sayin'.....
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