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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:29 AM
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Profiles of DU (my 800th post!)
In celebration of my 800th post I ask the following question:

How did you come to DU and how did it change your views (if at all)?

I'll get the ball rolling with my story.

I used consider myself a "moderate" liberal. Independent and refusing to hold allegiance to any party, but, that's changed over the past couple of years.

I used to think that there was a place in our society for the conservative and that there is use for conservatives that is productive to our global society. I've held the theory that liberals want to rush forward with progress at break-neck speed and that conservatives, who resist change, slow that progress down to a more sane pace. There have been a number of liberal things that have been too much for society to take on full tilt, and this temperament of liberalism was a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I believe in all the progressiveness that liberals bring to the table, but I also understand that centuries of bias, distortion and bigotry are also on the table. Moving too fast in progress just annoys the bigots of the world and entrenches their position.

I still believe in that theory (and here comes the big "but"), but I've became alarmed at how the rhetoric of the right has ratcheted up to a level of bellicose "insert-your-ism-here" yammering. What disturbed me more is how I could see this nation following along with that noise because there just wasn't anything out there that was saying otherwise. Having a bit of journalism training in my background, this really bothered me.

I found that in order to get my news with any semblance of neutrality I was reading foreign papers more and more. I noticed that I was watching American TV less and less and coming to regard CNN and MSNBC with contempt. I came to DU off a random Google search looking for an alternate perspective on the official story and found much more.

Lurking at DU for a year before I started posting on the board I found the tools to seek out information on these robber barons in power, I found a universe of people who aren't drinking the "Kool Aid" and asking questions that should be asked.

Along the way, I've discovered that my theory, though sound in a sociological sense, was a failure in practice. The right wing of this nation that laughingly calls themselves conservatives want nothing but change. They want to return America to some kind of strange idyllic 1920's where children work in factories and nobody has any safety net from the mechanizations corporate enterprise. I always knew that corporate power is what greases the wheels of this country and grinds the individuals bones to meal, but I never looked at that directly.

DU helped me turn my gaze to the horrifying truth of power and abuse in the most powerful nation on this planet, and DU helped me harden my skin against this beast, and toughen my stomach from the overwhelming urge to toss my cookies at the indignity and inhumanity of it all.

And so now, I've come to believe that I'm firmly in the liberal category, I no longer consider myself a moderate, and I no longer believe that there is a place for this kind of contemporary conservative.

The data I've gathered by using DU as a starting point for research has also garnered a change in my daily political life. I used to be a lame-ass political operative. Because I viewed myself as an independent, I refused to join a party, contribute to campaigns, or do anything other than show up and vote every two years.

But the belligerent attitude of this "President" has finally pushed me off the fence. I never liked Dubya much, and even predicted his screwing up in Feb of 2001 to my office Republicans. However, I was content that the more moderate elements in the Republican Party, along with the Democrats, would hold Dubya in check from doing any real damage.

I would be tragically wrong on that assessment. Its the data, credible information mind you, that I've found via DU's tools that led me to the soul shaking conclusion -- it was time to choose sides

And so, this lame liberal independent, a swing voter (I voted for Clinton in '96 and Pataki for Governor of NY), has been lost to the Republicans. I cannot, and will not, in good conscience vote for them again. And should the Democrats turn into the RNC-Lite (as many believe) I will do everything in my power to sway the Democrats away from their Republican doppelganger habits and back to the beautiful days of RFK and "the dream"
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:40 AM
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1. Um... megadittoes
Lifelong Democrat here. I started reading heavily about the Founding Fathers a few years ago. Studying them radicalized me. I think this country has lost its moral moorings and the Democrats represent the best path back. For me, November isn't the finish line. It's just the first day of work.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 12:52 PM
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10. megadittos to your megadittos!
Another one... Democracy is an on going process not something that you get "right" and leave alone!
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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:43 AM
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2. Wow!!
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 11:00 AM by mrboba1
Our stories are really very very similar. I was (and still am) an Independent and in 2000 I voted for Al Gore and almost voted against Mike Easley for Gov of NC.

I used to buy the crap about conservatives being careful with money so I thought fiscally I was a conservative, but socially was a liberal. After coming here and lurking for quite a long time I realized that this stance was a crock.

You have the government handle the details that the average citizen does not have the power to handle (business oversight, etc) and those programs must be funded. I came to see that the Repubs really were the ones inflating the national debt and being an Economist by schooling, how much this scared me.

I never liked *, and was very scared when he was Selected, but I didn't really know why. Now I do.

Thank you DU.

This year will be the first ever that I vote a straight Dem ticket, because I see that especially this year, there can be no compromise. There is too much at stake and the Republican party must see that their actions have serious consequences.
To align yourself with the party of GWB, Rumsfeld, Cheney etc. is the wrong decision and they need to see that keeping with the neocons is a lose-lose situation.

Never before have I been so galvanized as I am today.

:kick:
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mrboba1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:01 AM
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3. aw come one, y'all - don't let this drop like a rock yet!
:kick:
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:10 AM
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4. Good story to share....I'm nominating for the front page!
I think there are many former moderates onboard here. We fell asleep in 90s and allowed the fascists to steal our government. Time to deal with the festering boil of the anti-American Grand Oil Party, once and for all.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:12 AM
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5. Thanks!
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:59 AM
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9. You're welcome.....
to another kick!
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:12 AM
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6. It has been so long I can't remember how I got to DU, but
so glad I did. I feel we are already in a civil war--between Democrats and Republicans. The Repub party today is miles from where it was several years ago. I was a Repub most of my life until King George I pissed me off. That started my change. I began to question things more. Howard Baker, a senator from my state of TN, was very influential in getting Nixon to resign. He knew it was for the good of the country. The Repub party had meaning then. Today I don't think there are more than 3 or 4 Repubs who actually work for the country. Democrats have not changed in significant ways. Ultimately, unless the election is stolen again, the voters will make the change. I am still afraid for this country and at my age am more worried than at any other time.
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luaneryder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:15 AM
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7. Great job!
I have to say I have been a liberal most of my life. During my military stint I suppose I was more in the closet than at any other time. I'm thankful to DU for providing a free speech zone and to all members for sharing their insights. To hear a story like yours makes DU even more precious. A freeing feeling to see the light!
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 11:56 AM
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8. Lunch time kick!
:kick:
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MODemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:24 PM
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11. Absolutely beautiful post
Democratic Underground was introduced to me by the great MIKE MALLOY,
and being a member here has given me a new lease on life. I've always been a liberal, but this forum makes me feel so comfortable and yes, so necessary! There are so many intelligent people on here, they've taught me an awful lot.

Thank you so much for your uplifting post. It deserves front page status.

Marian
:toast: :thumbsup: :hi: :dem:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:42 PM
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12. Hey Apnu
Great honest story.

I came here because of my daughter. She got tired of me ranting about the policies of * and Asscroft et al and steered me to the site.

I have been a lifelong Dem, not always voting in every election, but trying to hit the major ones. I have learned so much while on DU it is astounding. Every argument a Rightie Tightie gives out can be countered by something I've learned here. My own positions are often clarified by reading posts here.

I am so disgusted with the Leaders of this nation, of their betrayal of our military, of their contempt for the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. DU has energized me by showing me that, HEY I'm NOT ALONE!!!! Who knew? There were months when i wondered if anyone else felt the same way as I.

I may not agree with everyone here, and I have some issues with our culture that I will not budge on, but overall I find this to be the best forum I've ever posted on and its members overwhelmingly the most intelligent and well-informed.

Thanks apnu and thanks DU!!!!!
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:59 PM
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14. Great story and fine points.
Its nice to know that one isn't alone in the world. Especially politically. This political culture we have today operates on division and isolation, but the greatest benefit the Internet has brought us (no, it's not porn) is allowing everybody in the world with a connection to have a personal soapbox.

Things like DU were inevitable.

I, like almost all here, am disgusted with our leaders. The betrayal of trust the Bush administration has committed on us is the greatest crime and misdemeanor of them all. And I don't mean just us US citizens -- no, his betrayal is a crime against the world at large.

As its been said many time here, Bush has lived up to one campaign promise. He's a uniter, a uniter of the Democratic Party!

I think the greatest lesson we Democrats and Liberals are learning here in 2004 is that its OK to disagree on the details, that there's much work to be done, and we can find the time in the bickering to work toward a larger goal.
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 02:50 PM
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13. DU really hasn't changed my views, just validated them
However, when I drove a truck for 2.5 years, I began to become convinced that my country was solidly in the support of Heir Chimpster and began to see the validity of their arguments.

Hell, I began listening to AM radio and agreeing with them because I couldn't find anyone who agreed with me and it began to make me question if where I was truly thinking correctly and logically.

After I got off the road and finished my bachelor's degree (going for my Masters now), I went looking for ANY avenue to see if people thought like me. Hence, now I am a member.

I went looking for books to discredit the talking heads (I found some, including "The Way Things Aren't To Be," the FAIR book debunking Limbaugh and others) and I found the Top 10 list, which, unlike the other side, documents their sources.

Now, I am an avid fan of this site, I have some of the students at the school I volunteer at hooked on this site and I truly believe deep down that what I believe is right for my country.

DU helped me find my values and showed me that there are alot of people with my ideology, along with those who make me look conservative, which I truly enjoy.

That's how DU changed my views. If showed me people agree with me and I am not alone.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:05 PM
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15. Welcome to DU!
:toast:

One of the interesting things about my DU experience, that isn't included in my story, is that right around the time I found DU I went back to school to get a Computer Science degree. (I'm in an adult fast-track to MA program -- fully accredited no less!)

So as I'm waking to the inevitable conclusion above, I've also been sharpening my critical thinking and problem solving skills. Something I've been able to use with the data I've generated. Practice, if you will, the necessary skills on DU that I need in college. While, at the same time, using what I've learned to analyze and contribute to the discussions here.

In that way, DU is also a learning tool beyond just data and news.
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classof56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:36 PM
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17. Great feeling, huh? Not to be alone.
I thank apnu for such an excellent post summing up the reasons for being a part of DU, and SammyBlue, I welcome you to our midst. Glad to have you aboard! As we used to say in the 60s, We Shall Overcome, and as I say now:

Bush Must Go!!
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SammyBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 06:57 PM
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26. I actively campaign for Kerry/Edwards
Doing door to door, callings and emails. Bush will go if I have ANYTHING to do with it.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 05:53 PM
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25. welcome to DU SammyBlue
wow that rhymes !!!


:evilgrin:
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:50 AM
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39. Hi Sammy.
Welcome to DU. Glad you're here.:bounce:
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Tardisian Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:19 PM
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16. Previously a lurker...
I came upon DU while 'Net surfing a few weeks ago. It has interested me how many topics are brought up here before local newscasts or newspapers have them.
This site has certainly been an eye-opener for me; I'll be voting Dem all the way this November!
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM
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18. Welcome to DU....
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 03:39 PM by apnu
and thanks for losing your posting viginity on my thread!!!!

Keep on postin'

:toast:

(on edit: damn I can't spell nor remember to hit that dang spelling button!)
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Tardisian Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 03:57 PM
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19. Pffttt!!
OK, that's the second time in about five minutes that I've done a spit-take on my poor computer screen!
Thanks for being "gentle" with me. :)
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 04:18 PM
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20. well...
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 04:18 PM by apnu
I was gonna say something nastier... then I remembered that I'm a "90s" guy. So I'm supposed to be "nice"

My first thought was: "Bring out the Gimp!"

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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 05:52 PM
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24. welcome to DU Tardisian...
and apnu, so glad this made the front page, i enjoyed reading it as you just told my story too.

I am now an ACTIVE member of the Democratic Party and have sent JK every spare dime I could all year

found DU this spring and can't (for the life of me) remember how, but it has become an addiction and a respite as I struggle to keep my small business alive in the midst of corporate meltdown and outsourcing

thanks to you for your words and to all my DU pals for being an oasis in the desert of right wing fundamentalism

:hi: & :loveya:
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:53 AM
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40. Hi there Tardisian.
Glad you found us. Amazing isn't what one finds surfing. Welcome.:hi:
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AnlaShok Donating Member (322 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 04:25 PM
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21. Been here a long time.....
I found out about DU on Evil Inauguration Day. I was websurfing, feeling pretty damned disgusted, when I came across a picture of protesters carrying a banner: "DEMOCRATICUNDERGROUND.COM"

I signed up immediately.

Since then I've submitted a few articles, lurked in the background for the most part, and tried to convince everyone I could how nasty the current regime is.

I have been a liberal for as long as I can remember. I stopped reciting the pledge of allegiance in fourth grade when Reagan was elected. I always have signs for the congressional, senate, and presidential elections in my yard.

I guess I inherited my political views from my parents. My mother's been a Democrat since Kennedy, and my father is the president of the local Sierra Club chapter. Somehow, I think that even if they were both rampaging right wingnuts, I'd still be liberal.

My wife used to be a Republican, but she awoke from the conservative stupor soon after we started dating and my refutations of the crap than new idiot on the radio, Limbaugh, was spewing.

Since then, we have had four children that we are raising to believe in the values of tolerance, equality, respect, and intellectualism.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 05:23 PM
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23. Well, I think you sound pretty damn mainstream to me.
My background pretty well matches up with yours. I like to think of myself as representing mainstream American values. So when Rush and Hannity and the rest of the Republican Wurlitzer try to paint me/us as "extremists"....it makes you wonder just how extreme they really are.

My folks taught me that we should all feel lucky about being born in this country and that we (the government) should work to make this country better for everyone. Because when we all do better, the country does better...and the US should lead the world by example. The direct opposite seems to be the operative mantra of the junta that squats in the Executive Offices today.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:53 PM
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31. I was watching C-Span
Edited on Fri Jul-23-04 10:54 PM by zeemike
And they were showing the protesters at the instelation of our commander in thief and one of them had a poster that said Democraticunderground.com So I went there and checked it out. I lurked for some time before posting.
But it has not changed my ideas as far as I can tell. I don't agree with every thing that I read here but most of it I do. And I stay because there a lot of intelligent and thoughtfully people that post and I like that.
And there are a number of them that have good senses of humor and I do enjoy a good chuckle now and again.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 05:19 PM
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22. Lurked in Spring after "Selection 2000" joined in September 2001 and
have posted ever since.

I've become more "radical Left" after being on DU. And, it's because I've been involved with activism by those of us here, and learned to parse news stories and go back into history to realize how we've been "hoodwinked" in America since our founding.

I think DU is the Greatest Think Tank Ever...and it's spawned so many folks who are "creative" that I thank every day that I found this site.

I don't have time to go into more.
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gater Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 09:18 PM
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27. I started to read DU...
because there is an underlying humor, and only steps from the gallows we are steadily shuffling toward. I donate, but lurk mostly as I use my writing and speaking to help convert the "too busy chasing a pay check to care" mass of United Statesians to the belief that their lives, their votes, and their thoughts should matter, and will once again matter in this country only more than ever before. I am a revolutionary, and my children will be as well until we get this grand experiment right...or die trying!!! O.K. even then we'll still probably be a bit revolutionary, but I believe that's the whole idea.
Oh, and has anybody looked for a three digit tatoo under Bush's hairline?
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:05 AM
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41. Hey gator good luck to your taking a big bit out of the
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:07 AM by Hoping4Change
repukes. I love the humour here as well, its actually the thing that speaks volumes about the level of humanity and intelligence here and in the Democratic Party.

As for the 3 digits, I don't need to see them because actions speak louder than numerals.

BTW welcome. Glad you're no longer just lurking.:hi:
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gater Donating Member (270 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 09:10 PM
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53. Cheers! As I have read...
the responses to this thread over the past two days, I have noticed that we are a pretty diverse group. Labor, intellectuals, hippies, with descriptions of themselves like "life long Democrat", "lean a little left" (go all the way, anything less is like holding hands with your sister), and "moderate liberal" (I may have made that last one up). I do not see that broad a spectrum from the, shall we say, progressively challenged sites, which I swear I only visit because my blood pressure isn't high enough already!

This is the very reason we come here. I think somebody wrote something once in one of those dead languages, "out of many, one".

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malatesta1137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:04 PM
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28. I used to come here for
The Top 10 Conservative Idiots only. I didn't even know there was a message board with so many members until a year or so later. And thank GOD for you people. This is better than paying $100 an hour for therapy.
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:19 PM
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29. Like Malatesta
I got linked here for the top 10 Conservative Idiots, I believe it was from the now defunct americaheldhostile.com site. I came back every week to read the top 10 and articles, then I lurked around the forums for awhile before signing up. Now I check the site daily but have to avoid the forums sometimes because I end up here for hours getting links and adding my 2 cents. I am so happy to see a new Mailbag today, going to go check it out now :D
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:39 PM
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30. I have no idea how I ended up at this site
But it has become the first place I visit every afternoon.

I live in Nebraska, and for a very long time I've felt like I was the only person who saw through the BS and was getting really disgusted with everything this administration has been doing.

If its any consolation, even here in one of the repug strongholds, the tide is turning. No Kerry doesn't have a chance to win this state, but something is happening. I can't put my finger on it, but I'm seeing a shift in the thinking of the people here. Maybe its just that the progressives here have finally woke up, but the anti-bush sentiment is becoming as strong as I've seen it around here before.

Thanks DU'rs for making me realize I'm not alone.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:11 AM
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42. Hi deuce98.
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:16 AM by Hoping4Change
Thanks for coming on board. There is strength in numbers. Glad you're here.:hi: :grouphug:
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true grit Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-23-04 10:55 PM
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32. History
History shows the Democrats have been the superior party for this country.
Hoover gave us corrupt bankers and corporations, the '29 stock crash and the ensuing "Great Depression".
Roosevelt built the national highway ifrastructure and bridges, overhauled the National Park System and brought electricity to most of the country. He Initiated Social Security, WIC and ended the soup lines. All done while making the rich and the poor better off. He restored hope and pride to this naton.
Eisenhower led the world in nuclear poliferation. Causing panic and fear to the 50's generation.
Kennedy brought the space program and funded the start of the Electronics industry.
Johnson was the civil rights president.
Nixon/Ford brought Watergate, wage freezes, recession and pardons for criminals.
Carter brought more civil rights, improved economy and a president who's worst critique was "he was just too honest".
Reagen brought more recession, Iran Contra, more pardoned criminals, debt, lost jobs/industry, S&L scandals and trade deficits.
Bush gave us our first blood for oil war, NAFTA, more recession and more lost jobs.
Clinton put the country back to work, gave us eight years of Peace and as much health care as the Reps would allow.
I found DU at the JK website. I enjoy it immensely. It brings me info and comfort. I highly recommend it. It hasn't changed my views, only reinforced them.
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Gyre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 02:01 AM
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33. Buzzflash has it at the bottom of their page
and glad I am I found it. I use it mostly to gain strength knowing their are others out there who think like me, and to check on the latest news stories DUers think are noteworthy. A great resource!

Gyre
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 02:36 AM
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34. the Take Back the Media website link
and why did I go there?because 8 months ago I got my first computer,and why did I get a computer?because there is no news on the TV thats why! HOWDY:hi:
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 02:45 AM
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35. I forgot to mention something
I come here because it gives me comfort knowing that people REALLY!care about this planet,ohyeh and because it's the BEST website on the Internet!!
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:15 AM
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43. I agree that its the best site on the Net and it is really
amazing knowing that so many people care about the planet.:hi:
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 02:54 AM
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36. I had put up with righwing shit for years
the Reagan and Bush I years were particularly painful. But I tell you I felt hysterical following the selection of that piece of shit governor of mine to the presidency. No one - NO ONE around me here in Texas felt the same way. I turned to the internet and found a piece by William Rivers Pitt and found the Underground through him. I know if I had not found this oasis of sanity the men in white coats would have taken me away.
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antigone382 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 03:40 AM
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37. Neal Boortz told me about DU, LOL--He turned me into a Democrat!
(OK, important note. This post is about my miraculous conversion. I used to have very different beliefs, resulting mostly from being uninformed. Please don't hate me because I wasn't always so smart:)



I Was a Teenage Sheep

I recently moved to Tennessee to help my Mom out financially. Before that I lived in Georgia with my father, and had a a job at the same place where he worked. He's a hardcore wingnut, and every day on the way to and from work, we'd listen to the same shows: Boortz in the morning, Hannity in the afternoon.

Interested, but not at the time consumed, with politics, I listened silently. I despised Hannity's sophistry and arrogance from the beginning, but at the time I agreed with some of what Boortz had to say. During that time I heard him mention DU a few times, whenever he wanted to talk about what bitter, whining losers all the "bed-wetting liberals" were. It got on my nerves, but I didn't really pay much attention.

Slowly, I started questioning Boortz's logic. Most of it was a whole lot of theory on a little bit of evidence. I also discovered that I could predict his reaction to almost everything, the reaction that would most effectively maintain his "shocking and irreverant" image while not upsetting his core audience too greatly. It was just the same old cheap showman's tricks played out over and over.

I started bringing this up to my father, as well as pointing out fallacies in his own beliefs, which were for the most part just parrotings of Boortz's. This of course led almost instantly into his extreme rage at my rebelliousness and my disagreeing with him simply to piss him off. Let me clarify: I'm a twenty-year-old virgin who has never done drugs, has drunk very small amounts of alcohol a few times with my family at Thanksgiving, made good grades, had a respectable job in an office building, and at the time was a Sunday School teacher. Rebellious???

Anyway, I'm my mother's daughter, so I didn't shut up. Relations got more and more tense between us. Finally, I was late one Saturday getting ready to go to the college library, and we got into an argument. He hit me, so I left. I refuse to put up with that crap.

Living with my Mom, I was no longer forced to absorb all that RW-talk show indoctrination. I started looking up news on the internet, thinking for myself. Because this will be my first time voting for president, and I always want to study fully the positions and tactics of each candidate, I started reading news and opinions both on the right and the left. I still occasionally went to Boortz's site, just to maintain a balanced perspective, but what he had to say became so repetitive and irrelevant, I couldn't stand it.

After Ronald Reagan died, however, I visited Boortz's site again just to see what he had to say. I figured he would use this opportunity to smear Dems some more, by finding someone somewhere who was glad Reagan was dead and would like to dance on his grave. That's what he did. Sure enough, he had one or two posts from DU--if I remember correctly, for the most part doing nothing more than pointing out that just because Reagan was dead, he was not necessarily the greatest leader the world has ever seen or will ever see again. Boortz was complaining, Mr. Insensitivity, because supposedly somebody didn't love President Reagan and had the guts to say so.

So I decided to check DU out...and I loved it. There were so many great resources, so many ways to find out what was *really* going on in the world. You guys have woken me up to the real battle against evil going on in this country today, and I can't thank you enough. You've also armed me to debate these issues with others, who are sadly led around by corporate media. I think I may have even converted someone tonight, or helped to, by telling him about the abuse of children in Iraq, and backing it up with legitimate resources.

I've also discovered that on just about every major political issue discussed today, I do indeed side with the left, and am not afraid to call myself a "bed-wetting liberal."

Neal, I can't thank you enough for leading me to DU.
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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:23 AM
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46. You sound like one smart and amazing person to me,
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:24 AM by Hoping4Change
forming your own opinions and breaking from your abusive Dad who resorted to violence when you stood up for your beliefs. I salute you. Thanks for coming on board.:toast:
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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:50 AM
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48. Wonderful!
The shackles have been torn from the mind and there is no going back now. Welcome aboard. :hi:
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 12:38 PM
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50. Wow, what a story. I am thankful to Neal too. Whoever he is? n/t
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LastKnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 04:07 AM
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38. selection 2000 got me into the game...
i found du last summer, lurked till late september.

ive always leaned left, after the selection was handed down i from that day forward called myself a democrat, and have been stepping farther to the left every day, well, no im not doing it myelf im being pushed by this so called 'leader'.

before i found du i just kinda kept everything in, i thought i was a radical, no one could possibly think like me and not be crazy, i was alone (im from a strongly republican state, so it got lonley out here). but after being here for just a few days i was validated, started speaking out more and more. and now you cant stop me from speaking up when i feel like it, at least about these matters.

before DU i was leftist and angry but had nothing to put it to work on, this has given me focus and now i can put my anger for this administration to work with something to unseat him and his shady friends.

DU educated me, i can now counter any righty's talking point with facts instead of my biting my tounge and not entering the conversation, i would be a completely different person if it werent for this place, and i wouldnt want to be that person.

du also kept me sane... alot of friends. you guys have been with me through highs and lows, good and bad, and i wont forget it. thank you DU. the people here support you in whatever you do, well, almost anything, i dont think they would forgive donating to bush.

all in all, im a better person cause of DU.

-LK
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Cobalt Violet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:18 AM
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44. I don't remember exactly how I ended up here.
But since I've always been a LIBERAL it is no surprise I did.

It is so hard for me to understand how this country became so right winged.Even in "Liberal Massachusetts" the air waves are wall to wall conservatives. I really felt the need to seek out other Liberals. I could have found DU by chat rooms or message boards most likely.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:21 AM
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45. I joined DU on the afternoon of August 13, 2002.
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 11:25 AM by ih8thegop
I've been addicted to it ever since.

All I can really say is that DU has widened my perspective. While some think we ought to give in to our leadership and obey them without question, DU has shown me how to speak out. DU also reminds me how I can disagree without being disagreeable. But most of all, DU shows that in spite of what has been happening, you CAN have fun with politics. ;-)
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 11:38 AM
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47. I got kicked out of the Charlie Rose Forum
for my views on the I/P conflict. I came in that board real excited about a new peace plan and wanted to share my enthusiasm with that board. Only to find myself being attacked by right wing zealots, for being a Muslim, an Arab woman and a Saudi. I had no clue why they were doing this because they seemed to enjoy and I am quoting" keeping my head in the ground." I am not making this up. So I lashed back, which lead to me getting banned and the rest of the goons are still on. I did write a letter to Mr. Rose and to his credit he tried to moderate the right wingers on that forum. Oh, I was supposed to be covered from head to toe, I was supposed to be an Osama sympathizer, I was to hate every Jew and every thing Jewish, and I am supposed to be a breeder. I had news for them: I body surf with my very American dude husband, my sister's husband is a Jewish man from Penn., I hate fundamentalism of all kind and I am actually an agnostic, and I only have one child. I am a liberal from the day of my birth, my father is more radical than I am, and my mother is a successful entrepreneur. I hope I am breaking all the stereo types they wanted to corner me in.

But a good thing came out of this: one of the right wingers, his name is Qwinn, referred to this site being highly cortical of it. I knew then I was on to something good.


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Hoping4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 01:16 PM
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51.  What insight you must have into the current state of world affairs.

I deeply respect those like yourself who have not let their humanity and intelligence be silenced by by authoritarian powers- that-be who seek to be the fount of all truth of knowledge. Their loss is certainly our gain. I look forward to reading your posts.

Just the other day, I came across the web-site of a progressive American Muslim scholar who like yourself can in no way be put in a box. Below are links to his web-site and blog should you be interested in checking him out.


http://www.ijtihad.org


http://www.ijtihad.org/globalog.htm


Welcome to DU. Glad you're here.:yourock:
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umtalal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 10:06 PM
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54. Thank Hope4Change.
That is why I am a democratic liberal. It is the acceptance of the diversity of this humanity is what makes me liberal. It is the acceptance of other's as they are is what makes me a liberal. I am so thankful that I pay taxes to preserve this democracy (or whatever is left of it)

I have addes the two links to my favorites and I will be reading and maybe contributing.
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 12:02 PM
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49. union man here...
found du through "take back the media", which was recommended by union buddy. i bought my first computer in october 2002 at the age of 58. du is my first and, likely, only forum. i love to lurk since there is a wide range of topics to choose from. i love hearing? the views of a younger generation i had written off as victims of a materialistic, corporate, mind control program. my thinking has been rejuvinated by this forum. i always thought i was right about repug bs, and the info and ideas available here enabled me to prove it. as a member of the much-maligned uaw, i have always been informed of the mindless corporations, where direct labor accounts for about 8% of a product's cost, and recieves 95% of all cost-cutting efforts. du is also a great place for laughing, which is my full-time job.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 02:27 PM
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52. I found DU thru a
friends recommendation, Jan. '02, I think. I lurked awhile 2 C if this was a place I could B comfortable; 2 C if it offered more than anger release.

I always thought I was liberal, more than moderate, have decided I'm really more progressive than anything (I self identify w/ aggressive progressive). I am committed 2 'think global, act local'. It is where we have 2 start the change back 2 the vision promised by those Xtremely liberal founding fathers. I was recently very moved by Bill Moyers speech on June 3, @ the Inequality conference (inequality.org). His remarks about the common wealth we all share as our heritage and how that common wealth is being starved and destroyed - by deliberate design of self annointed neocons, moved me 2 tears and moved me 2 renew my efforts locally. (I recommend listening, rather than reading, the speech. Moyers is very impassioned.)

I feel betrayed by the Democratic Party. The have not been the strong defenders of women; civil rights; workers; minorities; that was the promise as I was growing up in the 60's (which is why I am the only Democrat in my family). I found my local Democratic Party. Discovered many others locally feel the same way. I have often said the true conservatives need 2 reclaim their party from the rabid, religious right. I now recognize, mostly from hanging around here 4 the last 2 11/2 years, that the progressives need 2 reclaim the Democratic Party from those dragging it 2 the right. We are fighters. We have 2 cease capitulating.
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ImThatOneGuy Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-04 03:05 PM
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55. Random Chance
I just stumbled upon DU by accident actually, just surfing some of the Hannity and Rush bashing sites. Since then, I haven't looked back yet!
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Davion Donating Member (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 05:10 AM
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56. Thanks, everyone
I will help celebrate your 800th post by adding my first. I have been lurking for about a year, so I suppose that it is about time to do this thing. I apologize in advance for its length, but I ask that you bear with me as I have never before put it into words. Of course, if you choose to skim (or ignore) it, I shall forgive you…

I am 31 years old (today) and was a lifelong Republican. I am embarrassed to say it now, but I voted for, campaigned for, and even sent money to George W. Bush in 2000. On November 7th, 2000, I despaired when I thought Gore had won and rejoiced when I thought Bush had. I proceeded to spend the next month, as many party loyalists on both sides did, to root for “my” team and deride the electoral arguments of the “other” team. When Gore finally capitulated, I celebrated with all of my GOP friends an imagined return of honor and civility to Washington. I even held onto this naivety as the unnerving events began to unfold.

Although I was well trained in towing the party line on issues that were less important to me than others, I have always prided myself on applying at least a SEMBLANCE of objectivity to the view of our nations leaders. When Clinton struck Iraq after the plot to assassinate Bush-41 was revealed, and when he bombed Taliban training camps in ‘98, my GOP friends cried either “Wag the Dog” or worse, but I supported him. Even thought I thought I disagreed with him on most issues, I could recognize that, sometimes, the President must act in the interest of ALL Americans, not just those who voted for him. I took flak for this, but stood my ground. Of course, when the impeachment fiasco began, I lined up like a good little Republican, always saying that this wasn’t about sex, but perjury. I had always opposed most of his policies, but never sunk to the vile level of hatred that many friends had for the man, but this was different- The future of the presidency was at stake. I thought it was just the worst in a long line of deplorable scandals that “Slick Willy” brought on himself. Of course, three years later, I watched the Cheney Energy Task Force, and obediently defended its executive right to secrecy, even though part of me wondered why I screamed this now, having opposed the previous administration’s attempts to use far more Constitutional means as it tried to provide health care to all Americans. Although I didn’t know it at the time, this was probably the first crack in my GOP armor that let in the first ray of sunlight.

I suppose that this is the right point to add the caveat to the story. I was not only a GOP activist, but was also a gay man. For a long time I was closeted, most notably as an officer in the College Republicans, acting specifically as the coordinator of my college’s student senate. I orchestrated our efforts to de-fund several “liberal” organizations and even led the effort to stop recognition of National Coming-Out Day. I had many justifications for these views, and never saw any contradiction, but finally I came out to both friends and family. I did so during the height of the impeachment debate, even claiming that it proved my motives involved the rule of Law, rather than sexual mores. I argued that being a gay Republican was not the contradiction in terms many believed, and even went so far as to run for the state legislature as a Republican, not defending or hiding my homosexuality, but stating it plainly, and claiming that it was a non-issue. I knew that my party opposed “special” rights for gays, but I agreed with them on most other issues, so I saw no problem. Most of my gay friends became irate and asked how I could support a party that hated me and wanted me to put me in prison (or worse), but they were easily ignored as mindless Democratic sheep, following the gay herd. The ones that that always go to me, though, were those who would refuse to argue policy with me, or even if there was a place for a queer in the GOP. They would just pat me on the back and say, in various ways, “I used to be a Republican, too. Someday you’ll understand.” Try as I might, they wouldn’t debate me as to why I was justified in what I was doing. No matter what I would say, they would just pat me again, and reaffirm that someday I would get it.

After a good old fashioned ass-whooping in the primary, and a subsequent move out of state, I continued to be a cheerleader for Dubya. After the horror of 9/11, I became even more committed. I endeavored to get my friends (gay and straight alike) to admit that, however they had voted in 2000, that America was better off with Bush in the Oval Office than Gore. Although a surprising number agreed at first, most of my liberal friends quickly recanted, and we returned to the usual tit-for-tat that has become American politics. Then, unlike most people I know, I began to move to the left in the following months. Move may be the wrong word. I began to do what seemed anathema to me as a party activist for so many years… I began to question WHY I believed things, rather than simply regurgitating what I had been fed (And I will say that many on both sides can be guilty of this). It started when I listened to my own ridiculous attempts to justify the repeal of the “Death Tax” (something like “we must protect the right of farmers, small business owners to leave more than 5 MILLION dollars to their heirs… IT’S ONLY FAIR!”). It continued with a feeble defense of the USAPATRIOT act, even while I realized that if Clinton had tried the same thing, my party would have not only impeached him, but executed him for treason. But the metaphorical back-breaking straw came, as silly as it seems, when John Ashcroft covered up the statues of Law and Justice, rather that be seen on television with vile naked, stone-carved breasts on television. I realized if the ruling wing of the GOP couldn’t stomach granite breasts, they could never accept a filthy homo.

This is where, in answer to the question of this post, I discovered DU. As with many others (I assume), my first contact came with the Top Ten Conservative Idiots list. It helped me to realize the idiocy of so many of my arguments. How could I possibly defend the actions of this administration? It seemed odd, but once I began to question some policies of my party, the trickle became a flood. How could I support “Welfare to Work” while opposing any government supported child care program? Why was I so eager to defend an unborn child, but opposed all programs to help it afterwards? Why was I, as someone raised in a lower-class, single parent family, so eager to fight for tax cuts for those making more money in a year than my parents had earned in their lifetimes? Reason began to shatter blind faith, and while I do not agree with the Democrats on all issues (I still am a small “l” libertarian in many ways), I realized that my thoughts on many issues were due to fidelity to the GOP, rather than the other way around as it should be. I have spent the last year and a half reading and learning and, for the first time, really thinking for myself. Reading the articles and forums, I have come to the realization that when it came to the “intellectual-elite”, that I had fought against for so long, I should focus on the first word, and admit that the fact that most individuals who spend their lives studying and learning tend to be liberal should not be viewed as a detriment, but a strength. I have also learned that while I rallied against the party that used the politics of “fear”, it was, in fact, my own party that catered to the worst, no the best, in people. Claims like, “They’re gonna take your guns, ban Christianity, and turn your kids gay”, while not stated quite so explicitly, explain why so many who would benefit from the policies of the left flock blindly to the right. The politics of fear are all they can rely on. Fear of differences. Fear of change. Even fear of our own country (through fearing government programs). Of course, the worst point for me was when I learned that MY life was one of the favorite tools in this campaign of fear, which leads me to the final part of this story.

My boyfriend, whom I had met just a few months before our new reality crashed down upon us, is what has became reviled in a post 9/11 America: A foreigner. Our story doesn’t need to be retold here, I’ll simply say that it was a classic retelling of the traditional boy-meets-girl affair with one (not so) small difference. As an Irish citizen he could come and go on a temporary basis, but since we quickly decided that we wanted to live together forever, I found that the gay marriage issue, which had not only been low on my radar, but had even been an issue I claimed could be ignored, had become the most important one in my life. I quickly learned that our nation of immigrants only allows three methods of entry to those yearning to be free. You can be sponsored by an employer. Unfortunately, the Bush economy has created such a large supply of “surplus labor” that companies rarely jump through the hoops required to sponsor a non-American (even if they have a BS in computer science, as he does). You can win a spot in the “diversity lottery”, which, though it sounds promising, only grants 50,000 visas to over 10 MILLION applicants a year (giving someone about a 1 in 200 chance). Finally, you can be sponsored by a “family member”. Of course, this means the Newt Gingrich definition of family- Hastily married third wives are encouraged, but queers need not apply. The domestic partnerships, that I had long believed we should settle for (it’s only a name, right?), do not qualify, so I am left in the unenviable position of choosing either the person or the country I love. The evil of “separate but equal” had always been something I understood on paper, but now, in 2004, I get to face it in all its hideousness. Now the man I campaigned for wants to enshrine this in the most beautiful document in the history of human civilization. I would like to go back to my home town and tell some of those guys from my past that “I finally understand”, and someday I might, but for now I will settle for doing everything I can to defeat the party that wanted my vote, as long as I didn’t ask to many questions or get to uppity about my “lifestyle choice”. If I heard a gay man (or woman) explaining why he was voting for Bush now, my reaction would probably be the same refusal to argue and assurance that as they grow, knowledge will come. I suppose the one good thing Bush has done is made gay Republicans, somewhat common four years ago, a nearly extinct species. In fact I have not met a single gay person who will fall for the “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice….. we’re not gonna be fooled again”.

DU, among others, has (from the unheard sidelines, admittedly) helped reinforce what I realized on my own. I can finally think for myself and, while I remain a registered independent (and probably will be for some time), all it will take is a quick trip to Freeper land, or 5 minutes of Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, and the rest to remind me of my former lunacy, and to reinforce the fact that government is not the enemy, and can solve problems other than killing people in other countries, that differences between each of us should be embraced rather than feared, and that support for the least among us is a virtue, not a vice.

Again I apologize for the length of the post, but it was a lifetime in coming. I also apologize for any errors in it, as it is late, and having just typed from the heart, I am not going to re-read it for corrections. (I could have kept rambling for another 4 hours, but will spare you the agony).

I hope this site helps keep my in my virtual GOP-Anonymous program, and thinking rather than following.

Keep the faith, and remember: No matter how burnt out you get by politics, when you think that you are not accomplishing anything through your efforts… you CAN change people’s minds! I’m living proof- a former GOP candidate and lifelong activist who came to his senses through sites like this- and remember that when change comes in our country, it will come one person at a time.

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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 10:26 AM
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58. Just. Simply. Amazing.
Davion,

You've totally destroyed me with your story. I'm just too stunned for words, but I feel proud that you are here and that I can count you as an ally in the coming electoral fight. I pale in comparison with your story.

You are one of the reasons I am here, and you are an inspiration to us all.

Never shut up, always have an informed opinion, always bellow for what you think is right. Anything less is a crime in this country, IMO.

Kudos Davion! Keep on posting -- be involved -- everything depends on us!

:toast: :yourock:
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Cybergata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 03:10 PM
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59. Thank you so very much
Reading your post gave me chills. I really enjoyed reading every word. Love is so important. Love is the real sign of humanity. Love is so powerful. It can't not be assigned, delegated or be forced. We love who we love, and for a government or religious affiliation to tell us our love is wrong, is inhumane. Love can be hard to find, but when found, must be treasured. Why people should get so damned freaked about who we love is unbelievable.

I really hope that you've found a way to be together. I wish I could help.

AND welcome to DU!

:yourock:

:hug:

:hippie:

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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-26-04 05:20 AM
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57. Cool Thread.
DU hasn't changed my librul views much, just sharpened them considerably. On the "How did you find DU?" front, there was a long running thread in the Meeting Room:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=111x9382
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