need help from the "grammar police"

[NMDemDist2]

which is correct?

We propose to raise the cost of milk drinks by 25¢ across the board on August 1, 2004. The affected products will include

or..

We propose to raise the cost of milk drinks by 25¢ across the board on August 1, 2004. The effected products will include

[JPJones]

1. affect n/t

[NMDemDist2]

3. i thought so, that was what i wrote first, then did a double take

i don't trust my brain on Saturday mornings :-)

[liberalmuse]

2. Not the grammar police, but..

I'd pick the first one. However, I've been told that either way is correct.

[NMDemDist2]

5. hmmmm, i looked up both definitions and it did seem

either would work.....

thanks :smoke:

[pagerbear]

8. No, no, no! Either way is not correct!

At least in this context with this meaning.

[sushi]

4. affected

:)

[NMDemDist2]

7. thanks, seems we have a consensus

:bounce:

[pagerbear]

6. Affected

Affect is a verb. ("Rabrrrrrr's demeanor affects me thusly.") Unless it's a noun. ("Rabrrrrrr's demeanor and affect belied his guilt.")

Effect is a noun. ("Rabrrrrrr has this effect on me.") Unless it's a verb. ("Rabrrrrrr's presence has effected this change in me.")


On edit, this from Gurunet:

USAGE NOTE Affect and effect have no senses in common. As a verb affect is most commonly used in the sense of “to influence” (how smoking affects health). Effect means “to bring about or execute”: layoffs designed to effect savings. Thus the sentence These measures may affect savings could imply that the measures may reduce savings that have already been realized, whereas These measures may effect savings implies that the measures will cause new savings to come about.

[NMDemDist2]

9. i figured you'd chime in... thanks! n/t

[pagerbear]

12. My reputation as a grammar queen precedes me, eh?

[NMDemDist2]

17. i just caught the "grammar police" thread yesterday

:)

[pagerbear]

27. I didn't contribute to that one, did I?

Only because I was too busy at work.

[NMDemDist2]

28. didn't you? well you should have!

:spank:

[Rabrrrrrr]

34. But what if Rabrrrrrr's guilt stems from the effect of his affecting?

Or even affecting an effect? What if it's a special effect - can it affect our souls? Or does it effect an emotional response due to angst over lack of parental love? Whose sin has the greatest effect at that point, and whose the greatest affectation? The boy in the corner, affecting the outcome with his gravitational field, or the one who wielded the ax, effecting the outcome by his direct action? I leave it up to DU to debate the ethics and effect a change in our understanding of how affectations effect affecting.

At least that's how I see it, but I'm effectively nuts.

[teach1st]

10. Tutorial here

http://www.comcul.ucalgary.ca/Web/efwr/affect.html

[NMDemDist2]

11. oh no!! not HOMEWORK! ROFL n/t

[teach1st]

14. There will be a test!! n/t

[supernova]

13. Affected

An easy way to remember is that affect is the verb. The effect is the end result.

From the I know you didn't ask me Dept:

Speaking of bad grammar and syntax, that whole first sentance is just nasty and wretched. It uses too many words to convey a simple point.
How about

We propose an across the board raise on the price of milk by 25¢

[NMDemDist2]

16. sorry , they won't get that. I have to put a million qualifiers in for

the corporate geeks.....They will immediately jump to ghastly conclusions (i know from experience)

but i agree......

here is the full text:

Since our inception on February 1, 2002 we have kept our coffee drink’s prices unchanged. As our milk and cup costs have increased dramatically in the last year we are forced to raise some coffee drink prices* for the first time.



We plan to raise the cost of milk drinks by 25¢ across the board on August 1, 2004. We also plan to raise the espresso shot and flavor shot price from 35¢ to 50¢. This will enable us to hold the cost of empty cups at the current rate of 25¢. We are not raising the soda, snacks, brewed coffee, tea, Italian soda or lemonade prices at this time.

[pagerbear]

29. "coffee drinks' prices"

Notice the placement of the apostrophe for a plural possessive.

But you'd actually be better off with out the possessive in that sentence.

[NMDemDist2]

33. thanks to all for your imput

:)

[troublemaker]

19. better...

We propose an across the board 25¢ increase on the price of milk

[NMDemDist2]

20. that is better as long as I add "drink" to the end

and I'm not proposing anything, it's a fait accompli

[supernova]

23. I like this one.

:D

[peekaloo]

21. "In order to fully celebrate our country's roaring economy

and to further prove that inflation is being held in check, we joyfully wish to inform you that, effective August 1, 2004, milk products will now cost you an extra quarter".

:bounce:

[NMDemDist2]

22. i like that one best, wish i could use it eom

[supernova]

24. LOL!

:D

[Gryffindor_Bookworm]

15. Here's a useful mnemonic.

You effect change. Change affects you.

[NMDemDist2]

18. rofl if i could remember the mnemonic i wouldn't need

grammar police :)

[pagerbear]

30. I like that!

[TexasProgresive]

25. Just to confuse you more

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/affect.html

"There are four distinct words here. When “affect” is accented on the final syllable (a-FECT), it is a verb meaning “have an influence on“: “The million-dollar donation from the industrialist did not affect my vote against the Clean Air Act.” A much rarer meaning is indicated when the word is accented on the first syllable (AFF-ect), meaning “emotion.” In this case the word is used mostly by psychiatrists and social scientists— people who normally know how to spell it. The real problem arises when people confuse the first spelling with the second: “effect.” This too can be two different words. The more common one is a noun: “When I left the stove on, the effect was that the house filled with smoke.” When you affect a situation, you have an effect on it. The less common is a verb meaning “to create“: “I’m trying to effect a change in the way we purchase widgets.” No wonder people are confused. Note especially that the proper expression is not “take affect” but “take effect”—become effective. Hey, nobody ever said English was logical: just memorize it and get on with your life."

Common Errors in English

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

[NMDemDist2]

26. wow thanks

i think :crazy:

[indigobusiness]

31. The effect is the price rise

resulting in affected products.

[hlthe2b]

32. came by too late for the debate, but it is a good one...

This one is confusing to many professional writers--not just to the general public.