Wow this is exactly what you want around the house for kids to play with

[MichaelHarris]

FDA panel OKs public sales of portable defibrillators
http://business.bostonherald.com/businessNews/view.bg?articleid=37820

"Hey Johnny come here, I wanna show ya sumfin" CHICKAAAZITTTT CHICKAZITTTT "Cool, he's smokin'"

My wifes a doctor, she's been fighting the over the counter sale of these things. Man with a bush in office and his FDA appointees they'll approve anything for the drug companies. Maybe one of them will want Quaaludes over the counter before we run bushes nappy ass off.

[Pithlet]

1. It should only be with a perscription

I can see needing one in the house if someone has a ticker that's prone to go at any second.

[MichaelHarris]

2. its been by perscription only

for a while. The heart doctors usually try for an internal one though. Those are cool they sense when you need a shock and pop ya.

[Pithlet]

6. I read an article about those

It saves lives because it's automatic, and no one else has to be around to administer, but they can be traumatic. You can go about your daily life, and suddenly, without warning, you get a big shock. One woman had one while she was in a shower, and had a panic attack every time she took a shower after that. But, the alternative is no good, of course.

[psychopomp]

18. Isn't that Cheney's doodad?

That is a good description of what I'd heard he had.

[radwriter0555]

3. I'm sorry, what's the problem with deregulating this kind of thing? I

totally support complete deregulation of all medication, and certainly gear like this.

We're the only country in the world with stiff regulatory issues on meds and gear, and it makes no sense, only profits for some giant corporation... I have to oppose your position here. People are fully capable of regulating their own behavior.

[Canuckistanian]

4. Sure and let's deregulate heart-lung machines, too

Oh, and artificial kidneys and iron lungs and.......
Damn corporate bastards can't stop ME from operating on strangers. Not again!

[MichaelHarris]

5. A

defibrillator can kill ya quicker than it can heal ya. If you diagnose the heart rhythms wrong, misread the EKG, you send the heart into a funky beat or stop it all together. Not even mentioning the fact that one lying around unattended with kids around is like leaving loaded guns on the porch.

[Reverend_Smitty]

8. I've taken courses...

on AED administration as well as CPR and first aid. The ones that we were taught to use (which I am assuming are the same as the ones in the article) read the different types of heart rhythm, and if it is an unshockable one, it won't. However it is best to be trained in CPR and taught how to use these machines properly. For instance, people should be taught not to use it if the victim is wet (for obvious reasons) or if anyone is touching the victim (duh). With proper training AED's can be a lifesaver.

[MichaelHarris]

9. I agree but

the drug companies pressure on the bush controlled FDA to make these over the counter doesn't mention any training, only profit.

[ChoralScholar]

28. because everything that's de-regulated goes to hell

Just ask the airlines and the trucking industry. I would really hate to see the drug industry become a cut-rate Wal-Mart concept industry, where they will sell the cheapest thing they can get by with. And with all that, the drug companies will STILL make an metric assload of money. Not a good idea.

[LifeDuringWartime]

7. the ones that my school has

can detect heart beats, and will not administer voltage unless its apaprent that youve had heart failure.

[put out]

10. Thank you, you are correct.

You can't just shoot them like a ray-gun. If the pads are not placed where they need to be, the AED won't work (diagrams are included, it is not complicated). If the device does not detect arrhythmia or asystole, it will not activate. There is a voice in the AED which gives very specific instructions to the operator, and will instruct to continue CPR if a shock is not indicated. The operator of the AED is not required to read results such as an electrocardiogram. This information is stored in the AED and is downloaded by emergency room physicians, after the afflicted person is transported by EMS. Sometimes this information about cardiac activity can by transmitted from the EMS vehicle even as the patient is transported to the nearest emergency facility.

I don't see how an AED could be used as a prank. It does not work that way.

[MichaelHarris]

13. solderin' gun

and a few jumpers LOL. "I can fix anything, my dad has an awesome set of tools" Jeff Spigolli, Ridgemont High

[flamingyouth]

11. Ah, OTC 'ludes

Make it so. :D

[MichaelHarris]

12. awwwwww

nuttin like the good ole days, when Montrose in houston was filled with my freaky, hippy bruthas and sistas. Dancin' in the street. Make is so Hoffman are whoever made um.

[Dookus]

14. oh fuckin' A

Some of the best stories I ever heard about me related to 'ludes. They were made by Sandoz. They stopped making 'em years ago.

[MichaelHarris]

15. remember the t-shirt

in the old Rolling Stone with the 511 pill on it? I think it was 511

[Dookus]

16. No.....

I think the # was 714.

[flamingyouth]

17. Ding! Ding!

Dookus wins the prize again. Hell, what I wouldn't do for a 'lude right now.:scared:

[Dookus]

19. heheh

It'd just put me to sleep these days. But they were fucking FUN when I was young, horny and agressive.

on edit: They were also indispensable for acid freaks... like me.

[flamingyouth]

20. I used to take a lot of acid too

What was the question again?:crazy:

[Dookus]

21. I knew I loved you for a reason...

god, I haven't done acid in over a decade... maybe 15 years. It's just not available like it used to be. I've done plenty of mushrooms on my trips to Amsterdam and smuggled some back... but there's nothing like good LSD.

[Magrittes Pipe]

22. Who's got acid?

:loveya:

[MichaelHarris]

23. thats right

714

[Philostopher]

24. Just got back from a trip out of town with the MIL.

Our hotel room number? 714.

Mother in law is 75, she had no idea what Mr. Nownow and I were so entertained about. Neither, I think, did the hotel desk clerks who checked us in, both of whom were in their early twenties. It didn't keep us from being entertained, howsomever.

"Not a frikkin' chance we'd forget that room number," I believe were his exact words.

[Reverend_Smitty]

25. Ok I might make some of you feel really old right now...

but I don't care, what is the significance of the #714? and what kind of drugs were ludes? I've heard of them but I have no idea what effect they had on a person.

I'm in my early 20's btw

[Philostopher]

27. Quaaludes,

i.e. methaqualone, were sedative-hypnotic pills intended to treat insomnia. The only problem with them was they tended to cause habituation -- I think that's why they took them off the market, too many people were becoming addicted to them during regular treatment for insomnia. Not to mention the potential for abuse, of course -- I think if they'd done the job without causing habituation, they might have continued to be used in at least a limited fashion.

Though I'm old enough to remember all the great mystique surrounding Quackers, I never took any. I was scared shitless of most drugs, in high school. But I knew people who claimed to have them, and had friends who had, supposedly, taken them. I have taken the follow-ups, Librium, Valium and Halcyon, all benzodiazepines that were less habituating (by prescription, not recreationally). They still can hook you -- especially Xanax, which is a quick-uptake benzo (often prescribed short-term for serious anxiety problems) that hooks you precisely because it works so well.

[Nevernose]

26. Is Montrose not like that anymore?

Sorry for the serious question...

[MichaelHarris]

29. last time I lived in Tex

it was still a cool place, lots of wild people and clubs and stuff. Traffic sucks though. Its just not the late 60's hippy scene.