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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 11:30 AM
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What is wrong with being aloof?
What is your perspective on it. Sometimes it seems appropriate for me.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 11:32 AM
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1. The pundits have decided voters don't like it
Get back within the bounds of conventional wisdom, citizen.
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WyLoochka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:19 PM
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2. From right wing Dartmouth
an article titled: "Abraham Kerry" compares Kerry to Lincoln and mentions "aloofness" "intelligence" and "seriousness" as characteristics they both share.

http://www.thedartmouth.com/article.php?aid=2004060102010

From the article

"We're in serious times and a president with strength of character and intelligence is more compelling than, as one former congressman describes, a "frat boy."

<snip>

"To compare Lincoln and Kerry, some may say, is tenuous at best. But both men demonstrated courage when it wasn't popular. And both share unmeasured political brilliance. Teddy Roosevelt said: "Americanism is a question of … character. It is not a matter of birthplace or creed or line of descent." Notice he didn't include "popularity." The "distant" and "aloof" Lincoln was president (sic) serious times. The "distant" and "aloof" Kerry could be the right fit."

Dartmouth was largely taken over by radical righters some time ago. Perhaps the tide is, indeed, turning?

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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:24 PM
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3. "Aloof" is what "conventional wisdom" said about FDR
Edited on Sun Aug-01-04 12:25 PM by Fenris
Conventional wisdom, in my honest opinion, is stagnant and utterly counterprogressive. I'd prefer to hand over power to someone who was more aloof rather than someone "conventional wisdom" told me I'd like to have a beer with.

And for the record, I'd rather have a beer with Kerry. At least he could provide intelligent conversation. And at least he'd be able to actually have a beer with me, not a Diet Coke.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:27 PM
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4. As part of the "aloof" contingent myself, I hear ya
It's really annoying that whole "aloof" business.

Yes, I'd much rather talk to an intellectual, with or without beer.

Frankly people who go around the room imposing themselves on others like giant puppies make me want to run from said room.
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:30 PM
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20. Except Kerry would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor
But we'll never tell.;)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 02:38 PM
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21. That makes two of you.
;)
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Brian Morans Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:39 PM
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5. I wouldn't deign to answer. n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:44 PM
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6. Nothing, but don't expect people to like you
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:51 PM
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8. Typical extrovert bias
:eyes:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:53 PM
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9. Hey, I am usually quite introverted
But sitting in the corner reading my book isn't going to charm the pants off of anyone.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:55 PM
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10. Actually I can be quite charming
but I do dislike the inherent belief that somehow extroverts are better people.

I simply have conditions under which I perform better than others.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:56 PM
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11. I don't dislike introverts
but they are harder to get to know. So they tend to remain in the neutral accquaintance category for much longer.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:01 PM
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14. There's an easy way around that
I find that if I invite one or two people out to dinner, coffee, luch or whatever, I have a much better time.

Constant roomsful of people just don't do it for me. There's no way I feel I can get to know someone in a substantive way in those situations because they just are a little overwhelming. Too much stimulation and I can't concentrate.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:49 PM
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7. The extroverts are running the asylum.
Anyone who doesn't automatically schmooze everyone in sight gets looked at as if they're an oddball. God forbid if they get labeled as "different."
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Mara Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 12:57 PM
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12. Hey, I treat everyone equal...

I mean, I schmooze with extroverts AND introverts... They're all good...

Am all for honoring diversity...
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:00 PM
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13. That's good.
I try to as well. It's just that sometimes it takes me a little bit to warm up to people. And in business situations and job interviews that can be the kiss of death.
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Mara Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:04 PM
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15. I can understand that...

I try to do my best to make people comfortable & not to overwhelm them... Actually I am an extrovert who seems to make the most friends among introverts... It's that "opposites attract" thing...

Here's to the introverts... :toast: :yourock: Thoughtful, excellent folks...
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:04 PM
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16. Same here
Edited on Sun Aug-01-04 01:08 PM by supernova
I've developed a game face for business to appear more extroverted. I feel a need to decompress afterwards with a museum, movie, or music usally.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:23 PM
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18. That last part really pisses me off.
Everyone tells you that you have to sell yourself. It irritates me that I am who I am and it is a huge handicap for me.
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:08 PM
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17. Nothing.
Absolutely nothing. Some of us need time to warm up, only warm up in certain situations, or need space sometimes. It's just who we are. :hi:
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-01-04 01:26 PM
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19. I'm aloof - get over it.
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