La Lioness Priyanka
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:06 AM
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Poll question: Femi-Nazi (Love the Word or Hate It) ??? |
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personally when conservative websites or individuals call me a feminazi i love it...so what do YOU think about it?
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:08 AM
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love it cause i think it's hilarious when conservative men feel so threatened by a strong woman that they have to call them a feminazi in some weak attempt to discredit them, but hate it in the sense that it has spread and a lot of "ordinary" americans have it in their vocabulary and it's just another one of those soundbite words the right invented to try to make all us lefties look like crazy people
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:09 AM
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3. thats a great way to explain it |
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and i completely agree with you
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:09 AM
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2. I think it says something about the person using it |
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I once had Karl Rove call me a "fundamentalist Shi'ite feminist" and my feelings about that insult and "feminazi" are the same. A lot of it is projection. The person saying it wants to harken back to a time when men had absolute power over women. If they could they would use force to hold us in our place. And since force is the ONLY thing they know...they assume that women feel the same way and if they let us have any power at all we'll use it to hurt them. So they equate us with one of the most oppressive and violent regimes in history.
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:11 AM
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on getting karl rove mad enough to spout that shit at you!
if we keep this up maybe he'll have a heart attack soon!
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:14 AM
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6. It was the proudest moment of my life... |
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I had him as a Campign Politics prof in grad school. I loathed him. He loathed me. It was hilarious. I told him once he had the ethical sensitivity of a walnut. (We were arguing about push-polling at the time.) He called me a "fundamentalist Shi'ite feminist" the day we had Ralph Reed as a guest speaker. Wheeeeeeee. :)
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:15 AM
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that you had to put up with that man for (i assume) an entire semester???
how did you ever survive???
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:17 AM
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9. I had a very good friend in the class... |
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Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 11:38 AM by VelmaD
who sat next to me and kept me from going over the table and ripping Karl's lungs out through his ear. :)
I actually got an A in the class by scrupulously completing assignments and never missing a session. Another friend put it to me like this..."you paid for that class, you owe it to him to torment him with your presence EVERY day". :)
Plus I like to fight and who knows when I'll ever have the chance to have such easy access to such a deserving target again.
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:37 AM
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:39 AM
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:)
But I figure anyone on DU would have done pretty much the same thing after having to deal with that scum-sucking bottom-feeder. Karl just brings out the best in people. ;)
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:03 PM
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15. I told you, you're a 'tall' person |
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This just proves I'm right. :7 :hi:
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:05 PM
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You don't know how much that means coming from you. :)
And it's easy to look like the "better" person when the competition is Karl Rove. ;)
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Wed Sep-15-04 01:41 PM
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28. Wow, Velma I am impressed |
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truly giving him grief in person. Cool. Wow. And in an academic setting no less! :yourock:
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:13 AM
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A misogynistic term to marginalize the thoughts, concerns, and ideas of women.
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:17 AM
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8. It was once a specific, if snarky, descriptor |
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for those rather extremist late '80s-early '90s Dworkinite-and-beyond type "feminists" (really more like female-separatists than feminists), but when its usage spread via Rush Limbaugh and it became a word anti-feminists used to describe all feminists, it became over-broad, worthless and, pretty inarguably, hateful.
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:51 PM
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20. That's a pretty good way of putting it. |
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There certainly are some fringe elements who deserve such a label. But it has been so overused to include women who merely believe that a woman is not a doormat, that it's lost all meaning and impact.
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Wed Sep-15-04 07:55 PM
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33. I'd probably agree with this in theory. |
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There were (probably still are) fringe elements within feminism that have the belief that all heterosexual sex is rape. That view is a bit extreme (especially for those of us feminists who really, really like men) and they probably deserve the label, but when it's used for any and all feminists, most of which do not hold this viewpoint, it's not exactly right. It looks like the word was hijacked by the right and adopted as their own. When that happens to a word, it pretty much makes my stomach turn to hear it.
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:38 AM
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11. I don't mind the concept but I hate anything with the word "Nazi" in it |
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I mean, we feminists are proud of our cause but we're not about to go out and kill 10million people just to promote it
:crazy:
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:45 AM
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simply putting the word nazi in there confirms some people's fears that feminists are crazy castrating psychos who won't be happy till they've killed or enslaved all men. But the very extremism of the statement is so easy to discredit for any rational person. Alas rationality has so little to do with humanity. It's more a skill we have that we occasionally use than any kind of defining characteristic.
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Wed Sep-15-04 11:48 AM
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:56 PM
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23. but isn't that the purpose of the feminist movement? |
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that is what rush and dr laura have taught me.
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:41 PM
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17. Actually, I'm ambivalent. |
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I don't like people being stigmatized with the use of the word. But, when I hear someone use it I always think it points directly at the pimple-butt moran that coined the phrase. And I don't think Limpuke will ever shake his association with the use of that word.
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Wed Sep-15-04 04:48 PM
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30. but I don't think many people do think of limbaugh |
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I didn't know he coined the phrase till a few weeks ago when someone mentioned it on DU. I had just heard the expression from random people. and these weren't all fat white males. Plenty of young women(although I'll admit they're all white, but that's probably irrelevant) use it too. "I'm not some femi-nazi, I like men! giggle"
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:46 PM
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It implies that I hate men, which could be nothing further from the truth. I love men, even if they are massive douches occasionally :P
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:49 PM
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It conjures up images of strong women in tight black leather outfits administering unspeakable punishments to me...
*drool* :evilgrin:
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:54 PM
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who would decline to touch you if you had the balls to call them a femi-nazi to their face
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:56 PM
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Your reply seems a non-sequitur. Or maybe I'm just dense.
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:59 PM
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25. either way it was not meant to insult |
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Wed Sep-15-04 12:54 PM
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21. Hate-filled generalizations like this |
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cause people to not get taken seriously. The "Big Strong Man" will call a woman a femi-nazi; the ass-kissers will all snicker. It allows them to avoid real discussions. It makes my blood boil. :nuke:
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Wed Sep-15-04 01:08 PM
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26. It's Useful To Help Spot Zealot Right-Wing Rush Limbaugh Sheep-Fans |
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You know... the ones who find it easier to parrot Limbaugh's catch-phrase of the season instead of actually THINKING for themselves.
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Wed Sep-15-04 01:17 PM
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27. If Rush didn't coin this word, he certainly "popularized" it... |
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And that alone makes it unacceptable.
I don't care for the term, regardless.
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Wed Sep-15-04 01:53 PM
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The next time a Repug calls you that say:
"Yeah..that's OK..If you look up Republican in the dictionary there's a picture of an Asshole".
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Wed Sep-15-04 05:30 PM
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31. Love it, reminds me of a women I know |
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And makes me kinda hot...
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Wed Sep-15-04 05:32 PM
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32. Although Velma's right |
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Anyone who's threatened by feminists is threatened by women in general, and is a closed minded fuckwad.
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Wed Sep-15-04 08:02 PM
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as most wing-nuts' expressions are. they have no poetry in their souls.
do i get to be a feminazi, too? or is the property of non-male feminists only?
Hi!, lionesspriyanka! :hi: how're your new kitties?
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Wed Sep-15-04 08:08 PM
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35. I jokingly call myself that sometimes |
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Just like some rural working class people refer to themselves as "rednecks" or how some people call themselves a number of ethnic slurs. I think that it is a ridiculous enough term that I am comfortable with saying that. I would never call someone else that and I would be upset if someone other than my husband or a close friend just called me that.
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