Stupid smarmy bush-voting asshole picking on my kid.......GRRRRR

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

My daughter goes to an after school program at her elementary school. They hire kids about 18-21 to watch the kids after school, supervise homework, do activities with them, etc.

Well this one 19 year old, "Lance" has been an asshole from the beginning, but I just withdrew my daughter from the program because of him.

It started when my daughter gave a speech on the intercom supporting Kerry. Any kid was allowed to and one had already done so for bush. Lance was there that morning, heard her speech and gave her a hard time about it that afternoon. I confronted him when she told me about it and he laughed and tried to act really charming and said "Oh I was just kidding around with her" then he tried to get her to agree that he was just kidding around. I told him not to talk to her, that he was talking to ME. He seemed to get the message and mumbled an apology.

Well right after the election, he walked up to her while she was in the afterschool program and said "How about that bush? Looks like he kicked Kerry's butt." She shrugged and he then started trying to debate the election WITH A FOURTH GRADER. Sheesh. She can't compete in a debate with an adult and he knew it.

She told me about that and I told him the next day "Do NOT discuss politics with my daughter. Understand?" He said he did. The organization that runs this after school program is VERY tough on the counselors and will fire them in a SECOND if there is a legit complaint about them and 18-21 year olds fight for these jobs (yeah, they seriously do, the economy is that bad around here).

So today, I go to pick her up. She is sitting over on some tumbling mats, separate from the group, and she is crying. He is standing in front of her SCREAMING at her. I can't even tell what he's saying at first, but I get between them, facing him and yell "WHAT are you doing?" He backs away, a bit startled by me, then says, "We are doing a thank you poster to veterans of the Iraq War and she doesn't want to write her thank you on it." I turn to her and she says "He told us we didn't have to" and he says "I changed my mind" then she says "I told him my stomach hurt" (that's why she was over sitting on the tumbling mats) "and he said I could sit over here." When I walked in, he had been LECTURING her on the sacrifices veterans make and how she can't possibly appreciate them. (A female counselor who saw the whole thing told me a few minutes later, out of his earshot.)

I turned to him and said "Her father is a veteran, I'm sure she understands well enough for a child her age what sacrifices they make." And he sneers "what war was he in?" and I said "the first Gulf War."

Are you ready for this? He LAUGHS. He says "Oh yeah that wasn't even a REAL war."

Oh. My. God. This is a 19 year old KID who has never served in the military a day in his life, who was lecturing the nine year old daughter of a veteran about veterans and dared to say my husband didn't serve in a REAL war?

My jaw just worked for a second or two. It blew me away. I turned around so that he would have to face me but my daughter couldn't hear me, I got up close to him and growled through my teeth "YOU are an ASSHOLE. WHEN are you signing up to go fight in bush's great war?"

He stepped back from me and looked away. I was so angry I thought it best not to go any further before I got arrested for assault. I took my daughter's hand and told him, "She is OUT of this afterschool program. I don't EVER want her in your care AGAIN." I looked over at the two other counselors as I left and one chased after me and told me everything. He is a big bully and the other two are too cowed to stand up to him.

I got home, wrote everything down and called the organization that runs the after school program. Told them everything. The director was highly disturbed by this. He said he's had "other complaints." That kid's job is toast. He better join up now, as that is about all he's got besides working at the car wash.

In case it wasn't clear, it wasn't that she didn't want to sign it. She was confused because he originally said it was optional and she just wanted to lie on the tumbling mats because her stomach was hurting. Then the yelling lecture began, making her cry.

[lateo]

1. Make sure you tell the administrators of that program.

Assholes like that need to be punked out.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

4. I already did

and I'm mailing a copy of everything I wrote out about it.

He's most likely fired. They don't suffer fools gladly in this program. There are ten kids his age just dying to take his spot as a counselor.

[Iris]

16. He's no counselor. That's for sure. n/t

[da_chimperor]

2. What a prick! I'm sorry your daughter had to be subjected to that ass

I think he'll regret his actions soon enough. Another freeper bites the dust.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

7. Yep

"freeper" was the first thing that came to mind as I was walking to my van with my daughter. If he doesn't already visit that place, he'd be very very comfortable there.

Making a nine year old girl cry, for the love of Pete....what a tough guy.

The bad thing is telling Mr. Moonbeam about this. He's going to want to personally kick his ass. He doesn't take to people making his daughter cry very well.

[da_chimperor]

36. Making a child cry is despicable. I love kids, and I can't imagine how

anyone could possibly do that. I'm not an advocate of violence but I'd say that the freeper could use a swift kick in the ass or two. Good luck restraining your husbands wrath! Failure woulden't be THAT bad . . . ;)

[SheepyMcSheepster]

3. wow, just wow.

some people......

[derby378]

5. If he's fired, re-enroll her IMMEDIATELY

Provided she wants to go back, that is.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

11. I don't think she wants to go back

when we got home she told me about other examples of his assholishness and I realized her daily afternoon stomachaches could be part of it. She seemed so damn relieved not to be going back to that program, I think I'll just leave work in time to get her each day. At the beginning of the school year, I didn't think I'd be able to but I now realize I can get her nine days out of ten and the other day, she has friends she can ride home with who live on our street. So it's no problem. Poor kid, I had no idea it was so bad.

Now I feel bad!

[PleadTheFirst]

6. I'm not condoning violence,

but if anyone did that to my kid I don't think I would have had the strength you did to control yourself. My hat is off to you.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. It was all I could do, believe me.

You know that feeling you get when you just feel like you are going to explode in a rage? I knew I had to back away from him and QUICKLY or I'd be touching him and not in a nice way. I was trembling all over.

[Kerrytravelers]

24. Dear God in Heaven

Are these people just completely out of their minds? Nothing they do surprises me anymore. I was at a candlelight vigil when the 1,000th soldier fell (you know, the one from Moveon) A young guy in a b/c car stopped on the street and heckled us.

A Vietnam veteran among us walked up to his car and asked why he wasn't serving. Our veteran friend said "Believe me, if you fell, we'd be here, holding a candle in your honor. That's what we do. We give thanks to honorable people. You just smear their good name and hide behind you King Coward."

It was a beautiful moment.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

34. Oh wow awesome comeback!!!!

Great story. Not much is surprising me anymore, either. They just get uglier and uglier.

[Sequoia]

8. What a horrid ordeal.

I am sorry your daughter had to go through that and then to be told the Gulf War wasn't a real war! He needs to enlist. I hope he gets fired big time.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

Draft Young Republicans is my motto.

[candy]

10. Your explanation in the last paragraph was unnecessary------

but very nice. She's a fourth grader,for God's sake,and this guy's behviour was inexcusable. Don't they have any standards for the people they hire,like some type of certification or training?

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

15. They do actually

they are quite picky and selective. He was very qualified, but obviously hid his true asshole nature when they hired him. He doesn't even seem to like kids at all, so why is he doing that job?

Well he won't be doing it for long. The director sounded mightily pissed.

Oh I left out a cool bit: the director? He's a veteran of the first Gulf War. The one the kid called not a real war. Ahem.

[justjones]

12. Give yourself credit for not kicking his ass.....

and showing your daughter the right way to deal with conflict.

Personally, I would have kicked his ass up and down the playground like the little punk that he is.

:mad:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

13. I'm still fantasizing about it now

and wondering how to tell Mr. Moonbeam about this in such a way that HE doesn't hunt him down and hurt him.

Ug.

[justjones]

35. Proceed with caution....

I don't know of a father who wouldn't want to hunt this guy like a rabbit for picking on his kid, his daughter, no less. If your husband explodes, tell him a few Duers got his back....but I'm sure you will figure out a way to tell him without fueling his temper. Good luck!

[Selteri]

14. Unemployment for him

That is just another example of just how bad things are foing... I don't have to see him to imaging that he'd be very happy wearing a tan shirt with a red white and blue armband as he marches aroudn bullying those 'liberal elite' who he feels are to blame for the country being in the position he is after 4 years of republican control.

[Blue Gardener]

17. You showed more self control than most would have

Probably best you did. Getting arrested would have just made him gleeful. Hope he has fun finding another job. Maybe Wal Mart is hiring, he would fit right in there.
Typical male republican though, won't pick on anyone who can fight back. They pick on kids and browbeat their wives so they can feel like a big man. Assholes.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

23. Yeah I noticed that

the guy who was poll greeting on election day for the repuke running against my candidate for state house was a real scary one. His wife was there, too, but I SWEAR she stayed three steps behind him and would jump when he spoke to her (more like barked at her). He and I got into it and he seemed enraged that I would even speak up to him and she just hung behind him with those dinner plate sized eyes looking at me like "Oh my GOD! What are you doing?"

I swear he beats her.

[Blue Gardener]

48. Probably does

But she probably thinks she "deserves" it. I've tried to understand why women let the men in their lives have so much control over them, but I just don't get it. I have NEVER let a man treat me like that. If they can't treat me as an equal, then they're history. I can thank my late Mother for teaching me not to be anybody's doormat. Probably why I can never be a republican.

[Iris]

18. He sounds like a real dumb ass. n/t

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

25. You put it rather nicely.....

[Iris]

60. Yep! you can tell him I said it! eom

[radwriter0555]

19. Her stomach was hurting because he was stressing her out...

what an ASSHOLE. You make sure that asshole gets fired.... I'm so sorry there are such creeps around.

Yell real loud for all of us, please?

And give baby a big, big big hug from me, one that goes all the way around and squeezes real tight.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

29. I did some serious bitching to his boss

and I'll put it this way, considering there have been other complaints, I'd be shocked if he keeps his job, absolutely shocked.

We sat on the couch and I hugged her and we talked for a while. I had no idea that guy was stressing her out that badly. I could kick myself for not knowing sooner. She's ok now. We're making Sloppy Joes for dinner, LOL!

[radwriter0555]

30. And ice cream. Lots n lots of ice cream.. it makes everything ok...

our babies don't deserve this.

[alevensalor]

20. You're a better person than I am

I'd have kicked the living hell out of him, if that had been my son. I give you a nod for your restraint.

~A!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

31. The only thing that saved me

was the fact that I am glad I have no record with the police and I don't want to go changing that now! LOL!

Plus, have you ever been afraid of your own anger? That's how angry I was....and a leetle tiny voice was saying "Don't do it! Back away!"

See, if I laid one finger on him, I'm afraid EVERYTHING would come out....the election, all of it. And I'd have beat him senseless, like one of those people who have totally lost their minds or something.

And I did NOT want my daughter or those other children to see that, no way.

[alevensalor]

61. Yeah, I've been that mad...

and I completely understand that's when you HAVE to back away, but I dunno if I could have done it.

~A!

[MichiganVote]

21. Screw the 19 year old, contact the Superintendent's office.

No school should be sponsoring a program like this in which it is clear there is little to no supervision of these admittedly young adults. Politics or not, this young man's behavior is sick and no one was catching it. Not cool.

[denverbill]

33. And threaten a lawsuit.

I wouldn't actually sue them most likely. But it will sure as hell get their attention mighty fast.

That little shithead needs to learn right from wrong. And he's a coward to boot. Otherwise, he already be in Iraq.

[carnie_sf]

22. Sounds like

that young republican who was beating the female protestor that had been knocked to the ground at the Repuke convention

[Mrs. Venation]

26. Tell Skittles About Him

She'll hunt him down and KICK HIS ASS!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

44. She would, I know!

But there were kids around....I have a thing about kids not witnessing violence. It can really screw them up.

[hiley]

27. so sorry

that your child had to go through this. I hope the bully is made to feel shame by his bosses. Your daughter will be strong like you, though.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

40. Thanks and welcome to DU!!!

[FeelinGarfunkelly]

28. standing O for doing the right thing

Keep those arses away from kids. talk about a bad influence.

[nytemare]

32. How ironic the subject was veterans

It appears that he, like his President, have the same luxury of being for the war when it doesn't affect them because they don't have to fight in it.
If this kid acts like this, and keeps getting fired from jobs, he might find himself in that honored position of having to join the military he supposedly avidly supports, despite his comments on the first Gulf war.

The victory on Nov 2nd did not belong to Bush, but to fear, ignorance and stupidity.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

41. Yeah highly ironic

LOOK KID YOU ARE GOING TO THANK THE VETERANS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!!!

I don't think most veterans would like a thank you card kids were forced to sign under duress of being made to cry, do you?

Anyway, she asked me when we got home "Did Daddy fight in a real war?" and I explained to her that what Lance said was HIGHLY insulting and of course he did. I got out pictures of him, after he was hurt and showed her his Purple Heart and explained a lot of it to her.

That seemed to make her even madder about Lance's comment.

[Bunny]

37. Jeebus Farking Chrysler!

What a douchebag! A 19 yr. old man screaming at a fourth grader? That is beyond outrageous, and it sounds like the program was terribly under-supervised.

My hats off to you for staying calm. I would have clawed his eyes out, landed in jail, and disgraced myself forever. Tell you what, why don't you let Mr. Moonbeam have a chat with the young lad? Nothing violent, just a nice discussion about veterans, and real wars, and etc. ;)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

42. Oooo good idea!

Think I'll have him go up there tomorrow afternoon, you know, just to have a chat. ;)

[Dookus]

38. find out when his last day is

and show up with enlistment forms for him.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

43. ROFL

good idea, I think I will. There's even a website online with downloadable forms.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

45. Why wait til his last day. Bring them tomorrow

[Dookus]

47. last day

is a better opportunity to rub it in real good.

[BiggJawn]

64. Better idea-Give his name and number to the Marine Recruiters...

They'll hound the guy! Tell 'em you know of this red-blooded Murkan man just got a woody for spreading Freedom and Democracy around the Middle East.

They'll do the rest.

[Jack Schitt]

39. You know what's sad?

Your 9 year old daughter is much smarter than a 19 year old high-schooler.

I'm glad you pulled her out of the after school program. That guy sounds like a major league asshole. Typical of Bush supporters.

What's better is that he got fired!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

46. Well he most likely will be.

I'm going to check to see if he was or not.

I'd be willing to lay good money he will be, though.

Think I'll take NSMA's advice and take enlistment papers up to him tomorrow. Just hand them to him, smile, say "thought you might need these" and walk away.

Asshat.

GRRRRRRR. :grr:

[Bunny]

50. THAT would be perfect!

Hand him the forms, smile sweetly, ooooh that would be great!

[BlueCaliDem]

49. My 12 Year Old Daughter Lost her Bid for President...

...at her Junior High school here in so-called liberal California for being too critical of Bush last year just by talking about Iraq!
My daughter won 500+ more votes (the popular vote) from the students in her bid against another girl to win the position of President for her Junior High, and lost merely because she was too critical of Bush--in their opinion.
Well, I was the one who wrote the speech, and it wasn't unfairly critical of Bush at all!
Anyway, she did get the Vice President position, AND Chief Editor of their school's newspaper, so she immediately wrote a piece on politics educating fellow students that their vote will count one day soon, and that they need to understand why.
In my case, it were a few Republican teachers in a predominantely Democratic leaning school that made her lose by ONE point for the President's position, but the girl they wanted in, is now leaning heavily on my daughter who refuses to help her.
And can we blame her?
My daughter is independent, and outspoken, and has trumped many a teacher who, for some reason, support Bush, but she at least got the Priniciple thinking that he crossed over from voting Republican, to voting for Kerry this time.
She has corrected many teachers who wanted to give her "F's" wrongfully, and she told me about a teacher who was allowing children to download "barely legal" porn, and who was a devout Republican, and we had him fired.
That's something she is, and should be proud of, I believe.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

52. Woooo

you've got a daughter to be proud of there!

Congrats on raising her so well.....I love strong kids who stand up for what they feel.

[BlueJazz]

51. Geez...After you showing that little Angel's face (in a post)..

...it's a good thing I wasn't there. Although I would have kept my cool, as far as violence goes, HE wouldn't have known that. Grrrr. :)

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

56. Thanks

you are a total sweetie!

[Pithlet]

53. How awful

He is an asshole. That's no way to behave, no matter what side of the political spectrum you're on. I hope he's fired soon.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

57. Agreed and off topic

but I love your avatar!

[Pithlet]

63. Thanks!

[mitchum]

54. But your nine year old could have won a debate with that idiot freeper!

Please tell her that I said hello and I'm sorry that an "adult" acted like such a jerk.
She does sound like a great kid.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

58. I will, thanks.

Well, she isn't quite as up on the details as an adult would be and any kid debating an adult can get quickly and easily overwhelmed. It's just not a fair fight.

Thanks again!

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

55. Ruh-Roh

Mr. Moonbeam just called me and I told him what happened. I got him somewhat calmed down before he got off the phone. But it went sort of like this:

"He's 19 years old? GOOD. That mother fucker...."

It went downhill from there. At one point he couldn't remember his name and just called him "Mr. What the Fuck is his Face." Mr. Moonbeam really angry is not a pretty sight. He said if he is not fire, HE'S going up there to talk to the kid himself. Oy.

He ended up saying he was damn glad he wasn't there, because he wouldn't have hesitated to engage in a bit of hand to hand combat, which he wouldn't know about, since he wasn't in a "real war."

[TBreeze]

59. That's terrible

I can't believe the other counselors didn't do anything. That's almost as bad in my opinion. Someone is screaming at a child and they just stood around or what? Unbelievable. Hope the little jerk gets fired. :)

[Book Lover]

62. Oh gods. What a nasty and dirty thing to have happen

You controlled yourself FAR better than I would have.

I personally would also be concerned about the two cowed counselors. I feel there's no room for that when you are taking care of a group of youngsters; kids need a firm guiding hand, and if those two wouldn't step up to this guy, what else are they letting slide?