Here's the thing about God-directed Evolution.

[DrWeird]

I was in a serious car accident when I was a kid. Almost got killed. If I had, I wouldn't be here to post this. Maybe that was fate or divine intervention or karma or something.

My grandfather was almost killed in WWII. If he had, he wouldn't have had sex with my grandma, and then me, my mom, my maternal aunts and uncles, my cousins, and my siblings wouldn't have been born. Follow me so far? OK.

So, hundreds of millions of years ago, if a certain slime-crawling lunged fish hadn't decided to fuck the slime-crawling lunged fish behind door number 1 instead of the slime-crawling lunged fish behind door number 2, then none of us would be here to read this.

So if you believe in evolution and God directed it to create us in His image, that means he spent billions of years nit-picking which greasy little invertbrate would fuck who.

Just putting things in perspective.

:smoke:

[sui generis]

1. I am shocked I tell you!!!!

why, he helped me find my car keys this very morning after I prayed to him and sacrificed one of my human children.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

2. Yeah, but if you believe in God...

well...God's God. A God doesn't have any limitations that I know of.

[DrWeird]

3. Well, sure.

He's not limited against being something of a pervy freak.

:smoke:

[Randers]

7. somehow - I don't think

God would find sex perverted at all.


IF there is a God - it's probably Her/His/It's favorite concept ever.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. Probably.

It's the church that is all prude.

[DrWeird]

10. Oh, I don't know...

he spent three billion years watching bacteria masturbate.

[sui generis]

14. well, this one must be psycho

after reading the old testament. Burning bushes, what the hell is that? And I'm not talking about a trip to the spa for cooter laser hair removal.

And all this smiting and turning people into salt, and not even the evildoers, just their wives and children and countrymen.

I personally don't like the guy and I don't care how many parlor tricks he knows.

[Trajan]

4. LMFAO .....

Oh fuck .... THATS gonna get lodged in the theist throat most inelegantly ...

Fuck-tual selection at it's most beautiful ...

[papau]

5. So the complaint is that God uses free will to show we aren't special?

Indeed he was open to alternatives? Indeed perhaps "image" might mean something more than visual?

So if a person is not a Calvinist - a person that says all is pre-ordained - then such a person is not a believer in God?

I'll have to get back to you on this! :-)

peace

:-)

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

18. So, if you are a Calvinist.... then you already know the answer,

but God has not yet let you see it, right?

[papau]

19. true - but I'm not a Calvinist! :-)

:-)

[Mojambo]

6. God likes the freaky stuff

Who would have thought?

[trotsky]

13. If you look at what drove life on earth as what God likes, then...

God likes sex and violence. That's it. Life on earth.

[Beware the Beast Man]

9. I always put this into perspective for creationists who can't accept

evolution, or vice versa:

You're God. You're bored one day, and you decide to take up a new hobby: creating the universe. Now, in order to really get some joy out of your hobby, are you going to get some cheap, snap-together kit that you can finish in six days, or will you make it an ever-changing work in progress?

[GreenPartyVoter]

11. So. He's God. He can handle the job, if that is indeed how He works.

Me, I believe I exist on purpose and that God had something to do with it. And no, I am not offended that my ancestors might have swung from tree to tree.

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[lutherj]

12. Seems to me, if it's evolution, then you don't need God. If it's God

directed, then it isn't evolution. And you're right, Why go to all the trouble. Doesn't God have anything better to do than to pander to invertebrates?

[Beware the Beast Man]

17. See my above comment

If I am a bored Supreme Being, I'm going to make dang sure I putz around on this thing called Creation.

[Wisc Badger]

24. I am a committed Christian

and I have no problem with you concept at all.

[papau]

21. Free will :-)

:-)

[MichiganVote]

15. Fundies descended from Adam, liberals evolved

[RUDUing2]

16. if you want to look at it that way...

but that is as closed minded as those who say evolution cant be correct because the Bible says so....

Another way to look at it is that God intervened each time to make sure things happened according to plan and since time has no meaning to God being as He is infinite,a microsecond is the same as a billion years to Him...

or another way is that you can believe that God set things in motion but allowed it to evolve unhindered...so it was just the luck of the draw that you survived, that you grandpa survived and that slimey fish 1 copulated w/slimey fish 2 instead of slimey fish 33...

[DrWeird]

20. I never said anything wasn't correct...

I'm just saying if you believe in both then that's what it means.

Now if God just set things in motion and let things evolve at random than there's no way of predicting that we'd be the result. Unless he knew which lizard was going to fuck which.

[papau]

22. it means free will - but you have better phrases than I - I read yours and

I smile because I enjoy your phrasing.

Free will sounds like something to study - and it is.

:-)

[Randers]

25. Some people think...

that since God would not be bound by time as we are - prediction is not an issue.

[DrWeird]

26. Same difference.

If he knew what he was doing when he started the whole thing he's essentially playing the dating game with slugs.

[progmom]

23. RU-

Thanks - I liked that.

[Cadence]

27. Unless we're God too.

Not something seperate that he directs. Even the slime crawling lunged fish...God.

:freak:

[patcox2]

28. Logical fallacy to calculate odds retrospectively.

Its really pointless to do so; if you do it, you would be able to prove, statistically, that it is impossible for you to exist, because the probability that everything would happen exactly as it did to produce this moment as it is is nil.

In fact, this impossibility is one of the supposed proofs that God exists; if he weren't paying close attention to make all those unlikely things occur, we wouldn't be here. Of course, as I said, calculating odds like this is meaningless, and therefore its not really proof.