"The founders of this country were Christians"

[Gothic Sponge]

Really, the Native Americans were Christians?

:mad:

[newscaster]

1. The founders of this country

were deists. They believed in god but avoided organized religion.

[Gothic Sponge]

2. My point is how do you find something that's already been found?

[unblock]

6. founders, not finders

there's a big difference.

[Gothic Sponge]

13. I know, i'm just being silly.

Fun with semantics.

:silly:

[mondo joe]

8. The founders of this coluntry, not the founders of this continent

Ancient ancestors of American Indians founded this continent.

This country was founded by different people altogether.

[Maddy McCall]

15. Huh?

You can't "found" a continent or a country.

[Rabrrrrrr]

16. I have to differ on that - the continent was not founded by

American Indians (or Native Americans). It was founded by Gaia herself. Or, one could also say, the continent was founded by the Earth itself.

But most likely, it was the Native Americans (or, really, their ancestors who came from elsewhere) who FOUND this continent. Assuming this continent didn't have human beings on it from the time it was part of Pangea.

[Maddy McCall]

14. You can't create a country.

You CAN create a nation. The founders created the national government. Country is a geographical term.

And you are absolutely correct that the founders were deist. Jefferson even wrote his own version of the bible, editing out much that couldn't be scientifically proven. But he did like Jesus's parables, which he called "pearls of wisdom."

[BrklynLiberal]

3. Some people are just too stupid to live n/t

[Gothic Sponge]

5. Who, me?

[BrklynLiberal]

10. nononononononono

the idiot on the Daily Show who said that this country was founded by Christians

[unblock]

4. native americans most certainly did NOT found this country

and neither did christians.


native americans had their own forms of government on the land that america now sits on. a bunch of mostly christian european settlers killed and evicted them.

then a bunch of deists, mostly, founded this country. at which point the slaughter of native americans continued unabated for many more decades.

[BrklynLiberal]

7. Well said, and accurately put n/t

[Timebound]

9. Actually...

When one pays attention to history, they were all DEISTS. Deists believe in a god, but they think he doesn't care about what's going on and doesn't pay attention.

Do a search on the 'Jefferson Bible.' It is the gospels as rewritten by Thomas Jefferson to take out the the religious stuff, just so we can see the morality of Jesus' teaching.

Quite interesting, actually...

[alittlelark]

11. They were 'Jesus Christians' - at least in morality

They lived as Jesus did in many ways..... oh, and they did (do) peyote... they actually visited with him. I wish he had warned them about us.

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. Native Americans didn't found America

They may have "found" it originally, assuming they came over the baring straights, but they didn't found the country.

White people from Europe founded this country. They just happened to do it on land already inhabited by the Native Americans.

The more egregious error is to say that the white europeans found this country and/or land. (not "founded" - there is a distinct difference in meaning of those words, even though they both use 'found' in them; one's an active verb, one's a something-else kind of verb)

[Maddy McCall]

17. Actually, they purposefully did it on land inhabited by Native Americans..

The environment on the East Coast had already been "tamed" by Native Americans, and that is why the Pilgrims on the Mayflower basically hijacked the ship and took it to the indian-tamed coast north of where the ship had initially been intended to land. In the plymouth region, native americans had cleared land, planted corn, built homes, etc, but were wiped out recently by smallpox, so the Pilgrims had a head start in setting up a new colony there. They CHOSE it; they were not blown off course--they chose a land preoccupied and then depopulized, and they thanked god for smallpox when they landed.

Even dug up American INdian bodies and stole grave goods. They were some unethical bastards, those Pilgrims.

[DemBones DemBones]

18. I knew when I heard that guy that DU would be talking about him!

Do you think he's one of those guys who thinks God speaks King James English?

:eyes:

Hitchens -- is he EVER sober? And he hates Gandhi, too? :eyes: