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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:11 AM
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Poll question: Favorite medieval disease?
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 01:33 AM by Mobius
I know its tasteless, oh well...:shrug:
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:12 AM
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1. Make mine "The Falling Sickness", please!
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:13 AM
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2. You know, I just got to go with the plague.. I mean its a staple.
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jdots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:16 AM
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Death by Poompaw
old bad joke scurvy was a nice one and syphalis
but the Black Death was the biggy
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:16 AM
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3. Red Death = Cholera
My personal fave. But then, I like Poe.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:16 AM
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4. scurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry
not just for pirates, you know.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:32 AM
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10. ooooh scurvy!
good one!
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:39 AM
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13. um...
you forgot the "v" :evilgrin:


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:48 PM
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43. haha, i did. and it's too late for me to edit now.
bfd, everyone knows I never spellcheck before I post.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:18 AM
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5. I'm not quite dead yet!
:silly:
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:05 AM
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22. BANG. Bring out your dead!
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:38 AM
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35. Welcome to DU
Have a star on me.
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signmike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:20 AM
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6. Plague...Black or Bubonic?
Ring around the rosie
Pocket full of posies
Ashes, ashes we all fall down

This came out of one of those old plagues
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:31 AM
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9. they are the same
:)
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:27 AM
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7. What was that one where everyone danced until they died?
It was St. something's something.

There was an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer based on it.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:34 AM
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11. that wasn't medieval, that was 1986.
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:42 AM
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37. St. Elmo's Fire??
:D
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:01 AM
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18. St Vitus' Dance
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 02:02 AM by Thurston Howell IV
I think that's what you're referring to. It was due to eating fungus contaminated rye, and lead to ergot poisoning -- ergot is an alkaloid that is a hallucinagen.

Here's an article which suggests that ergot poisoning weakens the immune system, and may have contributed to the outbreak of the Black Plague - so they may be related!

The article also asserts that hallucinations resulting from ergot poisoning were considered "bewitchment" and lead to a lot of witch trials.

Gota love the middle ages. I've contended for quite a while that we're just one generation from slipping back into the middle ages, ie, if we don't transmit the knowledge we accumulated throughout history to the next generation, then we could slip into an era of vast ignorance. Given the gains by fundamentalist Christians in the US, we may be closer to the middle ages than I thought I'd ever live to see.

Here's the link on St. Vitus' Dance and ergot poisoning:
http://www.hulford.co.uk/ergot.html

BTW, I cast my vote for Ergot Poisoning!

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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:03 AM
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21. We posted at the same time
Your explanation was better. :)
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:19 AM
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28. I'm a walking advertisement for Google
I remembered about the ergot poisoning but I didn't know about the immune suppression and black plague connection until I read the article I found by googling "ergot" and St Vitus. Them middle ages was wild times indeed. Kinda like now.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:01 AM
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19. I bet your talking about St. Vitus’ Dance
It was rheumatic chorea, a temporary disorder of the parts of the brain that control movement and coordination. Nasty stuff.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:30 AM
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8. YAY Plague is winning!
:bounce:
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azoth Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:36 AM
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12. What about syphyllis? Gonorrhea?
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:45 AM
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16. I think they called syphilis the pox . There was some medieval
reference to "their tails are all peppered with pox and that you're welcome to". What about rickets?
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azoth Donating Member (408 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:02 AM
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20. So then was saying "a pox on your house" like saying
"fuck you" - ya think?

bwaaahahaha
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:26 AM
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32. cute, but no. Pox is just a generic term for a disease that makes sores.
Syphyllis was called the French Pox by the English, the Spanish Pox by the French, the Italian Pox by the Spanish... you see the problem here?

When the phrase a pox on your house was used, it was wishing disease, no matter what kind.

Pcat
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 06:59 PM
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50. Now we have Republican Pox
only the symtoms are fear of gay people, unwavering faith in idiots, the strong urge to cut down brush, the inability to swallow a pretzel, penis shrinkage and the need to break every Commandment then condemn others for doing much less evil than you.
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:24 AM
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31. Syphyllis rears its head in the mid 1490's by some accounts,
technically making it a Renaissance disease. There's some speculation that it was what the New World gave to Europe in exchange for smallpox, measles, chicken pox, mumps....

Pcat
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:52 PM
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44. i think those didn't come to europe until
the Columbian exchange.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:39 AM
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14. There MUST have been crab lice back then
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:54 AM
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17. Sure was, and bedbugs and fleas.. ICK.
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 01:59 AM by Lone_Star_Dem
edit: I forgot about scabies.. how could I forget that lovely parasite.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:18 AM
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27. Could you imagine having all four at once? AAAAAACCKKKKK!!!!
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:36 AM
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34. Ewww, I bet it happened back then too.
Hygiene was poor and for many these were just things that you lived with. I'm itching just thinking about it!
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:37 AM
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39. I'm going to have nightmares about the creepy-crawlies!
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:03 PM
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53. Im sure it happened
ALOT
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:30 AM
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38. I have a question regarding crab lice
Can you get them if you don't have pubic hair?

And if not, why are they a problem at all? Even if you have an infestation, the hair is very easily removed.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:38 AM
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41. They attach to the hair and lay eggs there, but they suck on your flesh.
I don't think shaving would solve the problem. Only Kwell lotion does.
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 05:08 AM
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42. I think repeated shaving IS a pretty decent measure for both prevention
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 05:11 AM by Mayberry Machiavelli
and treatment, but you'd have to make sure they're gone from linens etc. too.

Head lice, which function in much the same way as crabs except they like a different kind of hair, are the whole origin of short "buzz cut" hair in the military.

The problem with head lice is, that in most elementary schools (most common place for epidemic), it's just not acceptable to be shaving kids' heads, hence all the other measures.

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burn the bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:42 AM
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15. were women afflicted with HYSTERIA yet? n/t
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:06 AM
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24. Not until a few centuries later
Back then they were posessed by demons and concubines of the devil
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American Tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 04:38 AM
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40. The ancient Greeks were the ones who devised hysteria
It was based in the less-than-scientific notion that women were mentally unstable due to a 'wandering uterus'. Sigmund Freud stole upon the idea when he was making up psychoanalytic theory.

The origin should be little surprise, given that the Greeks created possibly the most profoundly misogynistic society in Western history.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:05 AM
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23. The terrible scourge of Changelings!
Currently known as mental retardation
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:07 AM
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25. Black plague was nice
yea right
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hickman1937 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:10 AM
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26. Leprosy
Edited on Sun Dec-05-04 02:11 AM by hickman1937
Everything rots and falls off. Eventually. Oh, I think I just found another metaphor.
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Thurston Howell IV Donating Member (436 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:20 AM
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29. Good one! n/t
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politicat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:21 AM
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30. Sweating sickness, please.
It came, killed a lot of people, then disappeared. Had a couple small recurrences, then vaped. Wasn't malaria. Happened during Henry VIII's reign.

Pcat
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 02:27 AM
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33. imbalance of the four humurs n/t
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SmileyBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 03:40 AM
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36. Lice and flux and vermin.
It's all TINGLY.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:56 PM
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45. Biblical literalism
It's the deadliest and most enduring.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 12:59 PM
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46. Leprosy
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SarahB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:00 PM
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47. Scurvy!
:bounce:
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:00 PM
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48. The Church
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-05-04 01:12 PM
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49. ooh, I gotta go with this one !!
:hippie:
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:01 PM
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51. phlegmatic humour or catarrh
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:01 PM
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52. Actually, teeth did not rot out of the mediaeval head
It's the refined sugar that does that - european medievals had pretty good teeth.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-06-04 07:05 PM
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54. I wouldn't have been able to get through A Distant Mirror if it
weren't for the Plague.
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