STOP THIS NOW!

[LeftCoast]

I am sick of people asking if RW ideologues are gay. Those of us who are gay generally don't appreciate it. So PLEASE - STOP NOW!

[fertilizeonarbusto]

1. personally, i'm all for it

if they use homophobia to attack us, out them

[Deja Q]

33. I must agree:

And I am gay.

If they are RW and do things that hurt all homosexuals, then out them. They don't need us and they're obviously hurting us for their own selfish benefit, so let their leechlike masters eat them alive.

[donheld]

41. This gay guy says go right ahead and ask.

we are not really wanting to know if they are gay, but if they are hypocrites.

[Forkboy]

2. kick

it would be one thing if they were just asking out of genuine curiosity,but it's clear they are using the term homosexual as a means to humiliate and degrade.

[RagingInMiami]

4. Not to humiliate and to degrade

but to hopefully point out their hypocrisy.

[LeftCoast]

8. Well, every time their hypocrisy is pointed out this way

it makes ME feel unwelcome. I'm sure that's not the intent, but try imagining how you might feel in my/our situation.

[StopTheMorans]

9. exactly

:thumbsup:

[Bertha Venation]

10. This is the very thing I'm talking about in # 5.

Honestly, what does it matter?

[RagingInMiami]

15. Well in Bush's case it would matter

Because he was the guy who proposed a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. He was the one who got selected on an anti-gay moral platform.

[Bertha Venation]

23. not to be pedantic, but

Rep. Musgrave of CO proposed the amendment. * just backed the piece of shit.

And I don't care if * or Rush -- or anyone else who talks about ME like I'm shit -- is gay. It doesn't fucking matter. When you make that accusation or assumption, more negativity is sloshed on gay people and it's got to stop.

[StopTheMorans]

16. yes, it does matter. if these very people are going to work so hard

to deny gay people the rights that the rest of us have, then their hypocrisy should be pointed out. anything that can keep them from trying to enact their agenda on the rest of us should be pursued IMHO (well, almost anything)... the high road won't get dems shit except for more lost seats and elections IMHO...

[Bertha Venation]

21. The point is this.

It insults me when anyone says, for example, "I bet Ann Coulter's a lesbian." Why? Because the person saying that probably loathes Ann Coulter, and pointing this out is one more reason to loathe her.

Either one loathes her extra because she's gay or loathes her extra because one perceives her to be a hypocrite. Notice that one's willing to think the worst of her based on either fact or fiction, doesn't matter which.

No matter what, either loathing or hypocrisy gets applied generally to gay people, and I am sick of it.

[LeftCoast]

22. Thank you!

That's what I've been trying to point out!

[StopTheMorans]

25. i think you're applying a false dichotomy to the whole situation

it's not that simple. if a right-winger who attacks gay rights is legitimately gay (vs. just saying someone is gay for the hell of it, which is HORRIBLY insensitive and does occur around here); then their hypocrisy should be pointed out. if someone is calling a right-winger gay b/c they perceive that would ruin their credibility, then that person should be called out accordingly (as that is not only horridly insensitive, but bigoted and extremely inaccurate as well). i know a lot of emotions are involved in this issue; and i can see your point; but i do think there's more to it than your prior characterization. just my $.02.

[LeftCoast]

26. There's a difference between pointing out (for example) David Dreier's

hypocrisy and posting something like "GWB: Homosexual? (poll)"

I'm really surprised so many people seem to be having difficulty seeing the difference.

[RagingInMiami]

28. So you honestly don't see any humor in that website?

[LeftCoast]

32. I do. But that website is a lot more than just "GWB is gay"

I also don't think you meant to be offensive or hurt anyone's feelings. It wasn't just one post either. I came to the Lounge and there must've been 5 differen't "Is ________ gay" type posts. It's a common theme...

[RagingInMiami]

36. I didn't mean to insult anybody with that post

When I saw all those posts, I figured that would be a perfect copy cat post. All I was trying to get was a laugh.

[StopTheMorans]

29. i agree completely with you. however, it seemed to me like you were

advocating that it was never ok to raise the issue of someone's homosexuality, even if they were actively denying gay rights. but i do agree with what you're saying in that post, and that some posters on DU are guilty of poor taste (the GWB poll is a good example of that kind of post).

[Bertha Venation]

30. you make some valid points

I'm not sure I agree that anyone should be outed, no matter who they are. There is too much danger there. Loathesome as some RWNBs are, they're still human beings.

You're right; there's a lot more to it.

[Forkboy]

18. Liberace was hypocritical?

[redqueen]

20. Is there any doubt about Liberace?

That one was a joke.

[wtmusic]

3. no kidding

alert on every post -- it's offensive

[Bertha Venation]

5. I don't appreciate it either.

Who gives a shit who's gay?

It's as if the people asking this question assume that every gay person is a hypocrite if he doesn't publicly proclaim his sexuality on the streetcorner.

For chrissakes, that's exactly what anti-gay idiots think we do just by being on the street!

[cruadin]

6. I agree. There's definitely the insinuation...

in this kind of speculation that a RW pig would be even WORSE if he were also gay. I don't even see the relavance.
How does that sort of snide inference reflect the values of openness and tolerance?

[UdoKier]

7. IAs long as it's in the context of exposing hypocrisy...

it's cool with me.

Every one of these people is on the record as an egregious homophobe.

I agree that it's not cool to use "gay" as an insult, so you may be right about the Bush thread, but in Limbaugh's case, he IS widely thought to be a closet gay and may have been arrested at some point for trolling men's rooms.

Since he is a horrible homophobe, that makes him a big-time hypocrite and he deserves to be outed for it - regularly.

[LeftCoast]

11. Fine, point out the hypocrisy but

don't just post some stupid "Is ________ gay (poll)" That does not point out hypocrisy.

[Bouncy Ball]

13. What about Liberace?

There is a thread about him.

[JohnKleeb]

14. Liberace is gay?

[UdoKier]

37. Apparently, the gayest corpse around...

Whatever.

[Lerkfish]

12. I can see your point.

although I don't think the intent is the same as what you perceive...but either way, if it offends good people, I see no point in it.

[Placebo]

17. I'm gay, and I don't mind.

It's all in good fun. :hi:

[LeftCoast]

19. I'm glad it doesn't bother you

Probably much better for your blood pressure. However, I still maintain that there is a difference between pointing out hypocrisy and a number of the posts that have appeared on DU.

As an example, it's one thing to say "Randal Terry Gay? (poll)" vs. "Turns out there's evidence that RW-Homophobe Randall Terry is actually a closet-case". I hope you can see the difference.

[the Princess]

24. It's childish and hurtful

It needs to stop. I am so aggravated by it. Who gives a flying FUCK who is gay and who isn't.

Jesus I thought we all were adults - or at least wanted to be treated like it.

[sans qualia]

27. I hope you get just as angry when people say Ann Coulter is transgender

Ok, this is my last post on the subject. Ever. I swear. O8)

[LeftCoast]

31. Actually, I do

But I haven't ranted about that in a while. I think I've used up my DU rant quota for the week with this thread. :)

[Cerridwen]

34. Thank you for posting this. - n/t

[KurtNYC]

35. When the poll says "Rush Limbaugh

Homosexual? Pig? or Homosexual Pig?" then I think it is pretty clear that the term homosexual is being used derisively (the way it is in 2nd grade). I have heard worse and I won't be crying over this callous insult but for the record, I too would rather not see it here.

[Deja Q]

38. I saw the (now locked) message. And

if it's baseless slandering, then I agree.

If there is evidence or facts behind the accusation, then I'm all for it.

[LeftCoast]

39. Afternoon kick

:kick:

[MichaelHarris]

40. there are gay people here?

Someone should have really told me, i woulda dressed for my chat sessions.

Heck-fire I don't know who's gay, who's straight, or who is made from alien DNA, it just really doesn't matter to me. the only thing in my life that matters is equality for everyone, and I mean everyone, well cept that bastard kid down the streets that speeds and stuff.

I've seen the horrors AIDS, I've seen the oppression done to the homosexual community, I've watched a younger brother die. Anyone wanna debate right-wing anti gayness with me can do it with me and my Louisville slugger, swing away Michael, swing away.

[LeftCoast]

42. I'm sorry about your brother

:hug:

[MichaelHarris]

43. Thanks

for that. It was during the time when not alot helped, AZT was new and made him constantly sick. Then he developed those lesions on his brain and didn't know any of us half the time, nursing homes we're afraid of him, it truely sucked to be an American then, as I'm sure you guys know.

I'm extremely serious when I say this, I will fight to my death in defense of every man and woman in America who wishes only to be seen as equals, joined by love and compassion for each other, free from fear and hatred shed on them by the ignorant. Well, except for StoptheMorans, that guy really shouldn't be allowed to breed, that's just scary.

[RagingInMiami]

44. What is StoptheMorans comes out of the closet?

[MichaelHarris]

45. he won't say but

that Liza outfit he had on last night screemed "take me bigboy"