Can we agree on this? There is good and bad can come from everything

[JohnKleeb]

That good and bad can come fron everything. That people do good and bad things according to what they believe, some people have helped the poor, the ill, and the hungry because of their beliefs and some have slaughtered innocents, allowed tyranny, for the same reasons. My point is that there is good and bad in everything. There are great people of faith and there are great people who aren't people of faith but are great people and there are also people of faith who are terrible people and people who aren't people of faith who are terrible. Good and bad can come from everything.
Thanks to SOTeric for the suggested rewording.

[Beware the Beast Man]

1. No. There is only "I am Right" and revisionism.

:P

[JohnKleeb]

3. heh

You know to be reasonably honest with everyone, I am a left wing dem to the max and super partisan, but in just about everything else I seek a middle ground.

[el_gato]

2. what was good about the haulocaust?

I probably spelled that word wrong.

[JohnKleeb]

4. Ok that's an exception

holocaust thats how its spelled. There was nothing good about the holocaust, though I could argue that it resulted in a state for the world's Jews, but that's a terrible arguement.

[SOteric]

7. The holocaust was a horrible, horrible time in human history

the only good I can see coming from it is that it did teach a large segment of the population (obviously not all) of the dangers of complacency when people in power systematically engage in evil. And of course, it showed what amazing darkness lurks in the human heart.

They're not good by themselves but it is possible that some good can be gained from the horrors that mankind has perpetrated over the course of history.

[Champ]

5. I wouldn't say everything

But you make an excellent point about good and bad people of faith.

[JohnKleeb]

9. well not everything I realize now because the holocaust ref

but of people of faith and lack of faith, yeah definely, there are people like Father Ralph Benning, the founder of the Christian Appalachian Project who have done great things in the name of religion and people like Pat Robertson who preach intolerance and hate in the name of it, I can't think of a particularly famous athiest honestly who has done a lot of good, sorry no offense to any athiest here, there's just so rare in history, and some bad athiests like Stalin. There is good and bad in people in faith and lack of, its just true.

[Champ]

17. Like the poster below said

Good can come from something terribly wrong. I tend to look at it from the individual standpoint, I don't care about their religous belief. If they do wrong, I will criticize that, if they good, I praise it.

[JohnKleeb]

20. Yep

I guess an example of good coming from terribly wrong was my grandparents growing up in poverty but working hard to get in near the middle class and giving my mom a good work ethic so she would go to college which she did and my ma the 2nd generation immigrant is now a very sucessful person, just to think that only 50 years ago, my grandaddy was working the steel mill, and 100 years ago my mom's family was still in the old country.

[Champ]

28. The depression era generation was a great one we will probaly never

see again. They went through the hardest of times the country faced in the 20th century. I can't even imagine all they faced both on a personal and national level. My grandparents and others I've known were people who appreciate the finer things in life because they grew up in tough economic times. Btw, you gonna get online? :D

[JohnKleeb]

29. I am online

My question for you was the same. Yeah, I know but my grandparents were already poor predepression, coal miner and a stay at home mom for big Catholic families really aren't much, and the more liberal labor laws were passed when my great grandfathers were in their mid forty's around when those were passed.

[guitar man]

6. which will win?

“A Native American grandfather was talking to his grandson about how he felt. He said, 'I feel as if I have two wolves fighting in my heart. One wolf is the vengeful, angry, violent one. The other wolf is the loving, compassionate one.'

The grandson asked him, 'Which wolf will win in the fight in your heart?'

The grandfather answered, 'The one I feed'”

[paula777]

13. That's beautiful

[SOteric]

8. I would agree Mr. Kleeb, but,

I'd reword it a bit. Good and bad can come from everything. Intrinsic to those things, not necessarily, but we always have a choice about whether some good can be gained from a terrible wrong.

:hug:

[JohnKleeb]

12. thanks

reworded it.

[MsAnthropy]

10. Except for Bush

[JohnKleeb]

14. Heh, I can say a good thing about him

He actually knows a little about baseball and he'll be gone in four years.

[Champ]

19. He was terrible at baseball too, trading Sosa away.

:silly:

[JohnKleeb]

21. duh

but didn't he trade him for Harold Baines, the man IMO who is one of the most underrated DH's of all time. Speaking of Baseball, its comin back to DC!, and Rickey Henderson wants to be a Nat lol.

[MonkeyFunk]

11. I disagree.

I'm not sure what I disagree about, but it behooves me to disagree nevertheless.

[JohnKleeb]

15. I think its the point made by some about things like the holocaust

[MonkeyFunk]

16. Nah. I was just being a shit.

[JohnKleeb]

18. hah you bastid lol

oh and welcome.

[MonkeyFunk]

24. Thanks. Been lurking for a long time.

I finally got bored enough today to sign up. Glad I did. DU is a great time-waster.

[JohnKleeb]

25. sure thing

[ohiosmith]

22. "Good" and "bad" are subjective concepts determined by perception and

perspective.

[JohnKleeb]

23. that's also true

There is no absolute right and no absolute wrong.

[ohiosmith]

26. There is only Absolut vodka.

[JohnKleeb]

27. heh thats the only vodka Ive ever had

and its POLISH, yeah George I remembered Poland.