So, somebody explain this to me...

[lildreamer316]

My "friend", who I am letting stay in my house with her 2 yr old girl (abusive reltationship..etc.) and is a repug, was telling me tonight that "they" are trying to ban smoking in America. As in the whole country. I mean, I knew she was a bit off, voting for the anti-christ and everything (kudos to me for not having thrown her out on her bush-lovin' ass, yes/no?)but really! Who does she think funds * 's campaigns? I don't know how much more of her I can take. Oh..and she steals my clothes and then pretends they are hers. WTF. Sorry, just had to vent. Any idea where she could have come up with this crazy thought?
Added note: She is Wiccan, as am I; but has expressed anger over this Merry Christmas vs. Happy Holiday thing, asking why there was not a Merry Christmas sign on a light show we went to, and making alot of sarcastic remarks about it. One would think she would be happy to have the inclusive language, no? Really boggles the mind.

[Ruffhowse]

1. Wow, a Republican Wiccan! I didn't know those existed. Does she really

want to live in a Fundamentalist ChristoFascist Theocracy? Or is she like a lot of Republicans, just horribly misinformed?

[lildreamer316]

5. Well, I think so, but

..herein lies the problem (!) It seems to be the problem most repugs have...even if presented with the truth, they refuse to believe it and stick to their version no matter what. Such as "Well, I saw it on _____ and you know they are really good/honest/kick ass"; "Well, because the Jews own everything"; etc. (yes, she is quite prejudiced, but hid it well until moving in--aaugh).Suffice it to say that even if I went into the argument with 500 sources to back every point, she would find a way around it. I've never met a Repub Wiccan either..I don't really think that spiritually, they connect, therefore I think she may just be attracted to the mysteriousness of it. But, I draw the line at judging other's spirituality. Sorry for the long reply;)

[Undercover Owl]

2. sorry to hear it.

Weird...she is a wiccan but she voted for B*sh. Sounds like a confused and troubled person all around.

I hope for your sake she leaves soon. And I hope for the kid's sake she wises up.

[jdots]

3. smoking ban ?

strange sounds like she is very confused,be carefull.

[Must_B_Free]

4. jesus christ, what a fucking idiot

a wiccan complaining about christmas?

this person is a bandwagon tard, and that's an insult to tards.

[lildreamer316]

6. Yea...

I don't mean to sound like an idiot myself; she is acutally a friend from another point in my life. We had fallen out of touch (duh), but called each other occasionally. When this stuff happened to her, I guess I just felt bad & wanted to help. Well, this just proved that I had moved on for a (very good) reason! Sometimes it takes me awhile to get things through my thick skull.;)

[Undercover Owl]

7. why is she so confused?

Maybe, her abusive boyfriend put some weird ideas into her head..?

Oh well, I think what you are doing for her is great.

[lildreamer316]

8. Actually

she has always been like this, I was just in my own little naive world until now. I also believed her when she would tell me I was wrong or act contemptuous of me. She sees liberals as lacking in strength/not having any balls (as she would put it). Hence the abusive relationship..she wants the drama; does not respect a man unless he would resort to violence for her--I'm sure you know the type. They believe that women should be as strong as men, but want someone physically stronger than themselves. She likes her men to be jealous of her and constantly give her ALL of their attention. My hubby, who is friends with her new man, is really angry, because he feels that Brad (her man) changes personalities when she is around. Sorry to focus on the relationship, but I think it's very telling of her overall mental state. Oh, and she also got very angry at me for wanting to help her one time when she "tried" to commit suicide and didn't talk to me for 3 years. Yeah, I'm an idiot. Now I'm paying;)

[bettyellen]

11. yuk, yes do i know the type! P-U. Get your clothes back and

give her an exit date. Secure your other possesions as well!
She will probably go back to this guy if he lets her, and she'll take some of your shit with her!

[lildreamer316]

14. I think

she is cheating on her now-boyfriend with the abusive one, but have no proof (nor any desire to involve myself). I constantly search her room and bags, so that I know if she has any of my stuff. I have reclaimed a bunch of stuff already,and she hasn't said a word. go fig. She says she'll be out in Feb.; we'll see. If that is not so, I will tell her to leave.

[bettyellen]

22. the Drama Queens are always users and we are the dumb ass

supporting cast. she probably shows no real interest in your ife, except for what she can use for her own ends, right?

[lildreamer316]

26. Well..

yes and no. See, she really has her moments of lucidity, where we agree on things in life. I believe somewhere under all of that, she really does care about me, but the drama in her life buries it well. In general you are right, but since she's living here she is very subtle about it--she ain't stupid.

[Undercover Owl]

16. distance yourself

That's not cool if she acts contemptuous of you, or makes you feel bad. Not cool at all. I used to have a friend like that, who was really messed up, and eventually I finally closed the door on our "friendship" for good. Mutual friends did the same, and now she's kind of a sad joke. People don't get away with making their friends feel bad, for very long. People with not-enough-confidence accept friends like that only until they realize that they deserve better treatment. It took me a while to realize what an undeserving "friend" she was. Maybe this girl is not as bad as my old "friend" was, but I recommend that you distance yourself.


"They believe that women should be as strong as men, but want someone physically stronger than themselves."
Well, I think so too, except the guy isn't supposed to use his physical strength against me! :)

[Az]

9. The right loves the slippery slope falacy

Thus anything that shows signs of change they drive to the extreme. Thus regulation becomes elimination. Same thing happened with the ban the bible issue. Because the left supports the notion of church state seperation suddenly its all out war on religion.

[miss_kitty]

10. Uh-my explanation...(you asked)

She's a user. An emotional vampire. Run away!

[lildreamer316]

12. Right on..

Of course you are right, I just had to have it in my face to prove it to me. Not that you want to know, but the last 3 years have been a great turnaround for me emotionally. She is the last of my old group of friends that I let go, because they were literally dangerous for me mentally and physically. Some days it is just hard for me to realize that I was so wrong about everyone in my life, and that I really didn't have any good friends at all. They were all just using me in one way or another. I think this latest experience is just to drive home this point,and let me let go. Sorry to ramble, but thanks for listening. Hopefully she plans on leaving by Feb.; and my hubby & son keep me sane.

[miss_kitty]

13. yeah. I've had those kind of 'friends'

soon you will know how to avoid people like her. Once she gets out of your space, things will get better for you. :)

Welcome to DU, BTW :hi:

[lildreamer316]

17. Thanks!

Appreciate the welcome; love it here. Yea, it will be better, but I DID bring this on myself;) I can't wait to finish learning this lesson! (arrgh!!);) Hope to be as high a poster as you someday--hee hee. Fellow Leo?

[miss_kitty]

18. just the Opposite

astrologically speaking. my best friends are Leos

[bettyellen]

15. hey it happens, it's a right of passage. i had put up with a lot

from family memebers who were quite controlling and i discovered how difficult they made my life when i disagreed with them. it took a while to get them to totally fuck off, but they have, and life is a lot sweeter becasue of it.
good for you!

[lildreamer316]

21. Thanks betty..

I appreciate the support. The whole reason I need to vent here is that,other than my hubby, I have had to dump ALL of my close girlfriends. Of course I have a few male friends, but obviously not close..I am not one to invite temptation. I just get very lonely sometimes for intellegent, somewhat caring conversation. I'm sure that eventually I will find good people to hang out with, but until then you smart ppl here are all I've got!!;)

[bettyellen]

28. and they are mostly a nice group... people here amaze me with their

response to shout outs for some help or an ear. so you are evry welcome!
and there are lots of them been in the same boat you are, it's shamefully common! so, if you need help or a hug, don't be scared, just ask in the title of your thread!
here ya go, a quick hug before i go pas out!
stay well, and throw yourself a party in the lounge when she leaves!
:hug:

[Tsiyu]

19. You learn who your real friends are when you say, "No."

I've had friends like this. The last one had a suspended license but insisted I let her drive my car, wouldn't let me know where she was going, refused to let me drive her.

I wouldn't let her take the car, all the while offering to drive her anywhere she wanted to go. She walked out and claimed I wasn't a "true friend."

The car overheated the same day. She would have burned up the engine. I was so glad I said no.

[bettyellen]

20. very good litmus test!

[lildreamer316]

24. I don't mean to whine..

..other than this, my life is great..really. I have it so much better than many I know, and am grateful. I just get disappointed when people don't live up to my ridiculously high expectations;) Thanks to all for listening & support.

[Gardeaux08]

23. Good grief!

I really have an issue with "pagans" like that. They make all of us look flighty. She sounds like the kind of person who hangs on to what ever is the right thing to do at any given time. And the cheating on her boyfriend...that's just lame. I wouldn't take her word for it that she is leaving. I would give her a set date she must be out.

You are a very good person for helping her and it is totally healthy that you consider it a learning "lesson"...isn't that all we have in the end?

[lildreamer316]

27. Thanks..

..I just wish this lesson could go ahead and be over already..I got the point dammit;) I think it's just being driven home to make sure I pay attention from now on!
As I said, I don't presume to judge if she is really committed to the path, but in all honesty, I suspect not. From my personal understanding of the nature of pagan spirituality, it would not agree with her stated worldviews. She sure is scared of the law of three, though!:)

[sandnsea]

25. Well, at least "they"

also want to provide health insurance so when she gets sick from the cigarettes she can see a doctor. :shrug:

People are just retarded.