"Anonymous Man Gives 35K To Homeless" Most Fweepers Outraged

[norml]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308372/posts To: Tarpaulin
Santa Claus maybe.

Who was it that said, "GIVE a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day .. TEACH an man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." or words to that effect??

Do NOT waste money just handing it over to the govt or these people. $35k could have been the start of a smll industry with one person's leadership that could have fed, clothed, and sheltered hundreds!



41 posted on 12/25/2004 4:59:21 PM PST by steplock (http://www.outoftimeradio.org)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
I acquired my charm in the cockpit - flying is a business that is unforgiving of fools.

I'm sorry the innocent get harmed by the bad choices of the guilty - but that doesn't change the need of the guilty to change their ways.

Notice the cute family. The wife got pregnant at 15. They have had 4 children they cannot care for - sorry, but that is irresponsible. They are living in a shelter because their inlaws threw them out after an arguement...hmm, maybe you should learn not to argue with someone who is paying all your bills.

This family will live in misery until the parents grow up. Throwing cash at a problem of maturity or morality won't solve the root problem - only prolong the agony.

And there is nothing about Christmas that suggests sloppy sentimentality will make the world a better place.



42 posted on 12/25/2004 5:04:46 PM PST by Mr Rogers
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[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Such sad people...

What ugly lives they face. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

[SarahB]

2. Ironically-

The very same people who want to limit contraceptives and choice.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

3. So, it's not only "big gummint" they don't like. It's the poor themselves.

The "private charity will take care of it" is exposed as the sham it is, these people are so full of hate they'll PAY to make sure the poor get screwed.

Makes giving all the more gratifying.

[The Great Escape]

4. Of Course Most Freepers Are "Self Made Men"

:eyes:

[Cobalt Violet]

5. Gee , Is that what Jesus taught? n/t

[FreakinDJ]

21. Thanks...you nailed it

Mathew 27

[jmm]

6. It's been a while since my Catholic school days but

I seem to recall Jesus giving people bread and fish. I don't recall him teaching people to fish and bake bread. Yet there are really people who feel spending Christmas Eve sharing with others is adding to misery :shrug:?

[fnottr]

7. geez

can't these people just appriciate a little human goodness once in awhile. Hell, even I agree that we're not going to fix the poverty problem by handing out 35k checks to all the poor, but come one, at least someone gave these people something to really the happy about this Christmas, that's got to be worth something.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

8. We've already SEEN what "one person's leadership" can do...

...I think we have a confirmed "Wanker Sighting" after careful review of freeper "steplock's" post...

:grr:

He / she / it is pissed off over $35K???

How many could be "fed, clothed, and sheltered" with the FORTY MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS being spent on Junior's CORONATION?

Or the TWO MILLION being spent to buy back the "presidential yacht?"

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

STEPLOCK! Get a CLUE, bee-yatch!

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[Cobalt Violet]

11. Go, Bush_Eats_Beef, Go!

:kick: :kick: :yourock: :kick: :kick:

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

14. Hey, I call 'em the way I see 'em, ESPECIALLY with FREEPERS...

:evilgrin:

:toast:

[Rabrrrrrr]

13. Or the 200 billion being spent on the war

That's enough, I bet, to feed everyone in the world and, used other ways, would bring peace hella faster than shucking million-bucks-a-pop missiles and bombs and shit.

[nickgutierrez]

46. Exactly what I was thinking. n/t

[beam me up scottie]

9. How convenient.

Just as the Iraqis are responsible for the death and destruction all around them, it's the poor families fault for being poor.

[Cobalt Violet]

12. Of course , don't you know the poor are the ones making monetary policies?

</Sarcasm>

[Kurovski]

10. Compare & contrast.

What is written in Ecclesiasticus Chapter 4:

"Son, defraud not the poor of alms, and turn not away thy eyes from the poor.

Despise not the hungry soul: and provoke not the poor in his want.

Afflict not the heart of the needy, and defer not to gibe to him that is in distress."

What is written in the Book of Freep:

"Notice the cute family. The wife got pregnant at 15. They have had 4 children they cannot care for - sorry, but that is irresponsible. They are living in a shelter because their inlaws threw them out after an arguement...hmm, maybe you should learn not to argue with someone who is paying all your bills."

[LostInAnomie]

15. "Notice the cute family. The wife got pregnant at 15."

Didn't Mary the mother of Jesus get pregnant at about 13?

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" comes to mind. I wonder who said that?

[buddysmellgood]

16. That Freeper is a truly useless waste of life. Not only does

it believe in the suffering of children, it can't even come up with 35k to start a small industry that would create the jobs to change all of the lives of the poor. What a bullshit argument.

[beam me up scottie]

17. By the way, anyone know what DC will be doing with all

those embarassing homeless people before the coronation?

[Maestro]

18. What a lunatic!

If someone wants to give money, let that person do it. These are the same people that will drop that dough in a heartbeat on a new Lexus.

[Cobalt Violet]

20. Someone could've bought 35 $1,000 handbags.

[elperromagico]

19. Dear Freepers: Wipe the dust off the Bibles you claim to revere so much,

and read Matthew 25:31-46.

You see, there was this long-haired hippie type named Jesus, who lived a long time ago, and liked to tell stories. And one of the stories he told was the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats.

In this story, he punished all the people who hadn't done anything to help the poor, the hungry, and the imprisoned. And he rewarded everyone who had done something to help the poor, the hungry, and the imprisoned. Oh... and I don't think saying "get a fucking job" counts as help.

Oh, and he said this: Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Of course, I don't tell the story as well as he did, so I recommend you read it.

[Skittles]

22. they'd think nothing of a rich f*** wearing a $35,000 watch

nothing at all

[Solly Mack]

23. Sure...teach a man to fish.... then deny him access to the lake

Sounds like jealousy to me. They didn't get the money.

[Kurovski]

25. Or poison it with Mercury. nt

[renegade000]

24. heh what kind of "small industry" could one

start in the US for 35,000 dollars?

[RandomKoolzip]

26. An independent record company, maybe.

But it still wouldn't be able to employ "hundreds."





Do you think that the sky is blue in the freepers's universe, too?

[Mike Niendorff]

27. "Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day ...

Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day.
Teach him to fish, you feed him for a lifetime.
Build a fence around the lake, he feeds YOU for a lifetime.

</Capitalism 101>


MDN

[baldguy]

28. "Who was it that said, 'GIVE a man a fish...."

Well, it certainly wasn't Jesus!

[norml]

29. They've now made it that you have to click on a link to read the article.

I guess they want to downplay this story. Here is the first response in the thread. To: Tarpaulin
Stampede to the local crack house...



2 posted on 12/25/2004 11:11:44 AM PST by Baynative (I could be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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[lonestarnot]

30. Typical Freep Mentality! Outrage re gift giving none of their business!

Because their concern lies in THE business.

[DS1]

31. Give a man a match and he'll be warm for the night. Set a man on fire, and

he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

[asthmaticeog]

32. Notice the cute straw man.

"The wife got pregnant at 15..." yadda yadda.

Mr. Freeper used one, made-up, somewhat unsympathetic example that's hard to argue against and pretended that that was all there was to say about homeless people. What a disingenuous dick.

Every time a republican gets put out into the cold, an angel gets its wings.

[chefgirl]

36. Its not hard to argue against

He seems to want to punish her, for the rest of her life, for getting pregnant at 15.

These fucking freeper types LOVE the idea of punishing people for their mistakes, but its most often the sexually repressed freeper types who are the most deviant people in this society.
I wonder what kind of punishment they would advocate for their own mistakes.

Here's the argument:
Jesus said "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

-chef-

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

38. Punishism is a mental disease.

I coined the term because I thought this fucked-up state of mind deserves a description of its own.

Start a thread about some excessive punishment meted out by law and watch the punishist trolls buzz around. It's a sight to see, in a "gotta look at train wreck" sort of way.

[chefgirl]

44. Excellent term

"Punishism"...I'm going to have to use it, if you don't mind.

I've been railing about this particular phenomenon for quite a few years now. I started to notice it in RW types back in the mid-nineties.
My ex used to listen to Rush Limbaugh every day, and I began to really notice how much time he and his callers would devote to talking about punishing the drug dealers and abortionists and feminazis (charming term there) and anyone else whose actions they could call into question.
When Clinton was caught with Monica, it was almost like I could see the script written before my eyes. I predicted damn near everything these assholes would do in their orgy of 'moral outrage'.

Of course the biggest irony is that Rush was/is a drug addict and Henry Hyde (among others) of the judiciary committee, was conducting a long term affair with some tramp the entire time he was feigning offense at Clintons sexual conduct.

I think its reached some kind of critical mass recently, and I think its more than just the 'gotta look at a train wreck' kind of thing. I really believe they get titillated in a very perverse way by the thought of OTHER people being punished, because they believe somewhere in their cold, withered hearts that it could never happen to them, because their ilk have all the power right now.

Boy aren't they in for a big surprise once these fascists in Washington finish shredding our constitution, and its not just the evil liberals being persecuted!

-chef-

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. By all means, do! I'd love to see this word gain traction!

Kinda like when Asimov invented the word "robotics". A word you invent is like a child. You want to see it flourish and succeed in "life". :hi:

[Philostopher]

41. Let's be specific about this, chefgirl.

They don't just want to punish her for getting pregnant -- they want to punish her for having sex because she wanted to, when she wanted to.

They want to make it impossible for her (and, by extension, all women) to enjoy having sex, whenever they want it, without having to worry about getting pregnant. Because you know, the whole downfall of civilization started when us uppity chicks started having birth control options and believing we had a right to enjoy sex and have a certain level of consideration. Not only that, but she might actually ask for sex at times they're not interested, and what an insult to a wingnut's manhood that he's not always ready with his hand on his hilt! The nerve of those uppity women!

If she's pregnant, and she wasn't married, obviously she was having sex because she liked it. Women who have sex just because they like it are the ones the wing-nuts hate, possibly because that places far too much responsibility to perform on them. They want us not only not to enjoy sex, but to fear it -- they see pregnancy as a punishment for sex, many of them, and they want to do away with all our reproductive options so that sex is a punishment.

It's not about morals so much as it is about control, and frightened white conservative men's attitudes about uppity women and their demands for sex and consideration. If we hate and fear sex, like generations before us were taught to hate and fear sex, they control the whole sexual atmosphere again.

That doesn't even address the fact that these assholes don't understand (and wouldn't believe it if you showed them the numbers) that hunger breeds anger and hatred, I think understandably, and that when the 'bootstraps' are cut and the bottom three rungs have been removed from the ladder, these people have no way to pull themselves out of the hole.

[Behind the Aegis]

33. Random act of kindness

Random act of kindness never go over well with those types. They enjoy seeing others in misery. If it weren't for those poor, welfare folks, how else could they feel superior? They are sick people, with small hearts. Their leader reflects them well. The Bully credo: in order to look better, tear others down and step on their backs!

[skygazer]

34. I find it so hard to believe the number of people

Who actually believe that the poor CHOOSE to be poor. It never seems to enter their heads that the rich have a huge fabric of governmental support - they insist that the government has no business giving any support to the poor.

How do they expect people to "grow up", as they put it, when they have no opportunities to do so and no examples in their community to follow? The only success stories that poor people tend to see are the drug dealers and criminals who have more money than they do. Those are the successful role models.

Horatio Alger stories are all fine and well - the truth is that for someone to rise above their poverty requires extraordinary abilities of some sort. The people who have succeeded in this are people of unusual determination who have had a fortunate series of lucky breaks, who were able to recognize an opportunity and who were blessed with some special skill or ability. Also, most of them had a supportive and cohesive family life. The average person, rich or poor, is not made that way.

They talk of "teaching a man to fish" yet the programs that always get axed in every budget are the ones that do just that - job training programs, child care programs, parenting programs, after school programs, supplemental education, etc.

I don't necessarily believe that money alone is going to solve anyone's problems - however it will go a long way toward easing some of them. This at least allows hope, a precious commodity that too many people don't have.

[meganmonkey]

35. Well, if you look at the whole thread in freeperland

you may be surprised at how many people said things like:

"Too bad people on this thread can not wish the best for some folks down on their luck for whatever the reasons. If I had a money tree you'd be damned sure that after setting up my family, I'd give as much of it away as humanly possible.
God bless this man and the people he gave money to. "

Granted, that could be one of us trolling ( ;) ) but I, for one, was pleasantly surprised at the few compassionate comments on the thread. And as someone who works in hunger relief, I can say that there is definitely need for reasonable discourse on 'band-aid' treatments to help the homeless and other 'needy' people. Not to imply that the commentary on the freeper thread is reasonable.

[Nadienne]

39. Still, it comes as no surprise that Free Republic

would appeal to the kind of people that spit on generosity to those who are down and out.

[meganmonkey]

40. So true - and I love your sig line, btw

so appropriate for the topic! :)

[Nadienne]

42. Thank you!

I like you're sig line, too! Very appropriate for the times in which we live!

I used to work with people who think that poverty is caused by irresponsibility. They're Free Republic types, though they think that you should devote all your time to becoming more valuable to your employer... They don't go on the internet much.

I was not born to make someone else richer.

It's funny, though: the people I used to work with are one misfortune away from joining the people they criticise so much. And if that misfortune happens, they will be criticised for being irresponsible. In the mean time, they sympathize with rich people who "earned" their wealth and the government "penalizes" them for it. While my former coworkers definitely earn their living, they will never be wealthy - even though they work harder than the man who employs them - even though their work is the reason he is rich. They work, he gets the money for it, and they merely make a living. I tried pointing that out, while I was working there. They thought I was poo-pooing because I wasn't getting paid a lot. :shrug: Oh well, what can ya do?

[norml]

43. That's why I said that MOST of them were outraged.

Because a few of them were not.

[jburton]

37. "The wife got pregnant at 15"

And if she had learned birth control in her school health class, these Freeps would be OUTRAGED!

[MissBrooks]

47. Just quoting the bible - as usual....

"GIVE a man a fish and you'll feed him for a day .. TEACH an man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime."

Paraphrased from the bible... Their favorite book.

[Deja Q]

49. Where do they get the money to pay for the bait and instructions? Funny,

none of our schools in this "Christian" land are free.

And if anybody dares say they should be free, well that's evil red kommie talk. :eyes:

Bunch of hypocritical fuckers.

[Deja Q]

48. Oh, the fishing analogy! Tell that to all the corporate fisheries and see

what happens when they refuse to stop taking all the fish in the first place.

:eyes:

[kodi]

50. yeap, & jesus should've opened a bakery instead of feeding thousands too

.

[helnwhls]

51. everybody wants to be oprah