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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:54 PM
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Who's cooking Hopping John for New Year's Dinner?
and exactly why are black eyed peas called Hopping John?

Anyone know?
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:57 PM
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1. Just like Thanksgiving
your cats are supposed to cook and they have the recipe, they're just not telling you.

They love you in other ways though most assuredly.
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 02:59 PM
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2. I've Heard One Plausible Explanation
Edited on Wed Dec-29-04 03:03 PM by Sporadicus
that 'hopping John' is an Anglicized bastardization of the Creole French pois pigeons - 'pigeon peas', pronounced pwah peeZHON. It's not that much of a stretch from there to 'hopping John' (though why not 'popping John,' I wonder).

Yes, I'm having some on New Year's Day! :party:
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:00 PM
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3. Hoppin john is more than black eyed peas
You need rice and ham hocks in there also
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:02 PM
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4. That's True
anything less is just plain-ass black-eyed peas.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:03 PM
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5. My dad, a Korean war vet, used to make that.
He loved that and Kimchee <sp>, that hot cabbage stuff that they ferment underground.
I havent had or even heard of hoping john for over 30 years.
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:07 PM
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6. If I Had Hopping John & Kimchee in the Same Meal
I'd be arrested for accidentally asphyxiating my entire family - including the pets & even the carpet beetles!
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:15 PM
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11. The old man loved it on a saturday night.
He'd top it off with pickled pigs feet and Guinness.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:08 PM
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7. Here's how it was explained to me
First of all, Hoppin John is black eyed peas AND hamhock or bacon AND rice. My mom (as southern as they come) claimed that the dish came from Africa and that the mix was essentially what was fed to slaves on the way over to America and the Carribean. There is in fact a similar dish called pois a pigeon that sounds kind of like pwoppin jahwn.

You eat Hoppin John (as we did every new years) for good luck. The beans represented "jingling money" and we always ate greens of one sort or another with it to represent "folding money."

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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:08 PM
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8. Cooking hoppin' john here.
I like some cayenne pepper and green onions thrown in at the last minute. You have to have it for good luck! Every blackeyed pea that you eat on New Years Day will be a dollar you didn't expect to get during the year.

Pois de pigeon is the origin (as noted above), corrupted by Louisiana locals into hoppin' john.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:15 PM
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10. Can you post a recipe?
I've never had Hopping John, and I'd like to try it. Thanks!
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:30 PM
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12. Here goes
As somebody noted above, the classic cajun recipe is with hamhocks. In our family we always made it with bacon, it just seems to taste better, also easier to control how much grease gets into the final dish.

To serve 4-6 persons:
1 cup plain rice (not Minute rice)
1 can (16 oz) blackeyed peas
1/2 lb bacon
1/2 cup chopped onion
2 cups water
1/2 teasp cayenne pepper (or 1 teasp red pepper flakes)
1 teasp Worcestershire sauce
1 cup chopped scallions (white parts and a little of the green)


Brown the bacon and drain on paper towels. Pour out (and reserve) the bacon grease leaving just enough in the skillet to coat the bottom. Cook the chopped onion in the skillet until soft, 4-5 mins. Remove the onion, put it into a medium-size (2-3 qt) saucepan which has a cover.

Next brown the rice slightly (3-4 mins) in the bacon grease, adding a few drops of grease if needed to keep it from sticking. The rice will "hop" a little during this stage, which some people believe to be another source for the name of the dish. Add the rice to the onion in the saucepan.

Drain the peas in a colander and rinse (to get rid of that yukky canned taste). Add them to the rice and onion mixture. Add 2 cups water, season with Worcestershire sauce and pepper. Bring to a boil, reduce to a simmer, cover and cook until the rice absorbs all the water, about 20 minutes. Crumble the bacon and add it and the scallions to the mixture, taste for seasoning, and add salt and pepper as desired. Cajun spices are also great in this (try Zatarain's) but be careful not to overdo it.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:42 PM
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15. Thanks for the recipe
I wasn't going to cook some, but now that I have this kick ass recipe, I'm in!!
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:53 PM
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16. My pleasure, Cat!
Have a great New Years Day dinner!
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:00 PM
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17. Thanks! That sounds simple enough!
I like rice and bean-type dishes, so this should be good!
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:05 PM
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18. I'm cooking pinto beans and rice right now
:D

scored some andouille sausage too!!!
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:23 PM
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19. Too bad I'm nowhere near Atlanta!
Beans and rice wiyh sausage! Mmmmmmmmmmm...........
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:12 PM
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9. Me! Me!
But I am a heretic because I use field peas instead of black eyed peas
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:32 PM
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13. Field peas are great in it too.
That's the way my sister makes it. But I'm a purist, I think you need the blackeyes for luck.
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seemunkee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 03:42 PM
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14. Remember it's for New Years Day not Eve
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:25 PM
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20. My mom makes it every year!
:9
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:35 PM
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21. Hoppin' John.
The g is superfluous. It's good, just don't put too many black-eyed peas in it. The black eyed peas themselves are not the Hoppin' John--they have to have the rice and spices as well. Plain black-eyed peas are just black-eyed peas.
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 05:53 PM
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22. For New Year's Day
For good luck.

Here's a blurb on the name from Epicurious, and my favorite recipe (except I prefer crumbled chorizo to kielbasa, much spicier!)

There has been much debate over the strange name of this rice and bean combination. One theory suggests that "Hoppin' John" is a corruption of pois à pigeon, French for pigeon peas, with which the dish was originally made in the French colonies of the Caribbean, where it was likely created.

1 cup dried black-eyed peas
6 ounces smoked kielbasa sausage
1 medium onion
2 garlic cloves
2 celery ribs
1/2 fresh jalapeño chile
1 bay leaf
1 1/2 tablespoons vegetable oil
1 3/4 cups chicken broth
3 tablespoons chopped fresh coriander leaves
Accompaniment: cooked rice

Quick-soak black-eyed peas (boil in water 2-3 minutes, then soak 1 hour).
Quarter kielbasa lengthwise and cut quarters crosswise into 1/2-inch pieces. Chop onion and mince garlic. Cut celery crosswise into 1/2-inch-thick slices. Wearing rubber gloves, seed and mince jalapeño.

In a 3-quart heavy kettle cook kielbasa, onion, garlic, celery, jalapeño, and bay leaf in oil over moderate heat, stirring, until onion is softened. Add peas and broth and simmer, covered, 20 minutes, or until peas are tender. Discard bay leaf and stir in coriander and salt and pepper to taste.

Serve Hoppin' John spooned over rice.

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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:44 PM
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26. YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
:9
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:31 PM
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23. Try it with fresh Black Eyed Peas if you can get them
Central Market sells fresh shelled black eyed peas this time of year, and that is a whole other creature. They are wonderful.

I grew up disliking Black eyed peas and my mom would force me to eat at least a teaspoon of them on New Year's Day. As an adult, I grew to like them, and actually enjoy them now.

After I ate fresh ones right out of the garden, I was amazed. Most people who grow a big garden will pick and shell the fresh ones through most of the summer and along about Labor Day leave them on the bush to dry for the winter. My aunts used to freeze the fresh ones too.

Corn bread, sliced tomatoes and cucumbers marinated in vinegar with lots of salt and pepper round out this wonderful meal.

Oh Yeah and a big glass of sweet strong iced tea
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fluffernutter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:33 PM
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24. we are, my gramma always made it, so now i do.
Hoppin' John rocks :P
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:37 PM
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25. Ya gotta have greens too...
they represent money...prosperity for the new year. My mom used to make collards (with ham of course!).

Yum! :)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:44 PM
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27. HI HO, HI HO
To the Farmers Market I go :D
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 08:50 PM
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28. Every year I've cooked "Hoppin' John." This year...NO! It's given me
BAD LUCK instead of the "Good Luck" promised. I'm Southern but lived away most of my life. Yet, every year I cooked my "Black Eyed Peas/onions and beans" for "Hoppin'John" to give me good luck an honor my ancestors.

My life has been crap now for too long. The damned "Hoppin' John" did it to me...I've given it up. NONE OF THAT FOR ME THIS YEAR! It's plain "green beans with almonds."

Ancestors and the SOUTH BE DAMNED...I NO LONGER HAVE ANYTHING IN COMMON...Next year I'm going to do "Swiss Chard."

Damned "Hoppin' John CRAP ...betrayed me...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:28 PM
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29. what about collard greens?
:shrug:
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Mayberry Machiavelli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:53 PM
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30. I never heard of this black eyed pea thing on New Year's before I lived
in the South.
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Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 09:55 PM
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31. Me!
Love the stuff! It's a New Year's tradition in our house.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:52 PM
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32. Gotta shop tomorrow. There won't be a bean or a green left by Friday.
Good stuff.
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n2mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 10:58 PM
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33. This might not be the same
I'm making blackeye peas with ham hocks, onions, garlic and carrots Does this pass?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-30-04 09:36 AM
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35. someone said you have to add rice
in order for it to be considered Hoppin John.
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-29-04 11:13 PM
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34. oooo these recipes!!!
Grandma turned us on to this, and mama too. My kids now know the tradition, pass it on!!

Dee DAMN licious!!!!
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