"the blow job that changed the world"

[madison2000]

This week I had a conversation with a guy at work who I know is conservative (spent some time in the military), but I think of him as an intelligent person to discuss things with... or I did, until he started saying how Clinton having sex in the Oval Office changed the whole course of human history for the worse- sent us into a downward spiral because the world lost respect for us. I could hardly keep a straight face. I lost respect for him for believing that.

[HEyHEY]

1. What people lost respect for WAS the USA for caring so much

[Left Is Write]

2. I just answered this post in the other thread.

:)

[fluffernutter]

20. what thread? i'd like to read your response to this crap.

thx

[Left Is Write]

34. Here you go.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2482012&mesg_id=2482239

[jonnyblitz]

3. "the world" couldn't believe we made such a big deal about it.

they were laughing at us for being such puritanical prisses. this dude at your work is CLUELESS.

[Deja Q]

4. The blow job was the cause of that? Not * slam-banging around after 9/11?

What a twonk.

[jdots]

5. the guy at work you know has an album named after him

" Thick as a Brick "

[bahrbearian]

6. Who's semen was on Starr's Report?

[terrya]

7. Clinton lied...and was impeached. Bush lied to get us into war...

and yet...nothing.

Pretty weird, fucked up sense of priorities there, don't you think?

T

[Bullwinkle925]

8. I don't care about Bill's sexual proclivities - I'm just damned angry

that he gave the much salivated-after fodder to the Damned Repugnicans to run with!! Boy - those Religious Right-ers are having a field day!

[Hoping4Change]

9. I don't think it a far-fetched comment. By his hubris, his belief

he could get away with it he gave the Repukes the fodder they needed to whip up their base and put bush in the WH..

[madison2000]

11. Just before we got to that subject I had asked him what he thought about

the judgment against Charles Grainer. He said the guy was probably paid off and no, this wasn't wrong. Its the kind of thing that goes on all the time. Clinton started it by establishing places around the world where we could legally get away with torture as a means of interrogation and Bush just followed in his footsteps. And the torture is necessary to get the information we need from people who have attacked us.

I pointed out that the Iraqis didn't attack us on Sept 11 and he said no, but they've been attacking us for years (like he knows all kinds of military stuff that the public does not).

[Hoping4Change]

28. It sounds that he is grasping at bits of RW talking points he's picked

up on the way. Believing that someone was paid off doesn't make it so. He is someone who is spinning fantasy and believing that the fantasy he's spinning is the same as fact. When I was a kid I remember sitting beside my grandmother with my favourite book. I was going to read it to her despite the fact I hadn't yet learned to read. Every so often she would interrupt me and ask "Is that what it says." "Oh yes", I replied. I remember wondering why she was so caught up on whether I actually reading the words on the page, wasn't it enough that I was telling a great story?

Your co-worker exhibits that kind of childish mentality. Facts? Who needs them when you can make up your own?

[shrike]

25. That wasn't the guy's point, though

He blames the blow job itself for causing the world to lose respect for us. I heard this from another repuke -- a Texan, of course.

[Hoping4Change]

31. My bad.

:spank:

I had to read it twice becasue I couldn't believe my eyes. There are alot other things about the US that outrage the world and Clinton's sex antics aren't one of them. I think what diminished the US in the eyes of the world at that time was the Republican response and their slavish pandering to the religious right.

[Nitrogenica]

10. It did start the era of the Right Wing propaganda's rise to power..

and THAT is exactly why our Nation is mentally ILL right now. We will help the people heal!

[BrklynLiberal]

21. That started way before Clinton.

Its beginnings can be traced to Goldwater's defeat, if not earlier.
The right-wingers have been laying in wait and planning this day since the days of FDR. When were Prescott Bush and Henry Ford playing footsie with Hitler? Don't you think they were planning to take the US government to the right way back then?

[Nitrogenica]

22. Yeh you're right. I meant the propaganda really kicked into gear.

Drudge, etc. No sources or integrity needed. "If he says it, it is true"

[trotsky]

12. In a way, he's right.

Because of the blowjob, the Repukes were able to successfully hinder Clinton in the last years of his presidency - AND, more importantly, force Gore to distance himself from the enormous accomplishments of Clinton's term. Doing so allowed a few fence sitters to say, ah well, why not vote for this moron from Texas? Is it reasonable to guess that the blowjob cost Gore 500 votes in Florida? I'd say yes. And so it's true, it did forever change the course of human history for the worse - BECAUSE IT ALLOWED THE MURDERING CHIMP TO TAKE OFFICE.

[SOteric]

14. Well, and don't let's forget the world did lose respect for us then.

They couldn't believe we'd make such a big deal out of such a thing.

[fluffernutter]

13. riiiight, so Bill changed the world w/a bj &now none of this is *s fault.

:wtf:

[IronLionZion]

15. The most costly blow job in world history

I hope he enjoyed it :eyes:

[madison2000]

16. Clinton's mistake was used against him in a big way- but Bush's mistakes

are much worse. I can't see the logic of blaming Clinton for Bush getting into office, and thereby letting Clinton take the blame for all of Bush's stupid mistakes. Bush is responsible for his own behavior, and this country is responsible for being idiotic enough to vote for him (or let the election be stolen by him) not once but twice.

[BrklynLiberal]

23. But what Clinton did was no worse that what many Presidents before him had

done. The difference was that the Right Wing had already put into place a "vast right wing conspiracy", as Hillary so astutely called it, that was ready to pounce on him. The rightwingers and their media stooges had started in on Clinton way before Monica. Remember Whitewater and all the other scandsls they tried to dredge up from Arkansas? They hated him from day one. They had planned for Poppy to have been a two-term President and Clinton messed that all up for them, with a lot of help from Perot, of course.
Clinton should have seen them hiding in wait for them,and been shrewder, but all men in that position have egos, and I do not believe that there has been one President since FDR that has not screwed around(except maybe Nixon..who would do it with him?). Everyone knew that JFK was screwing around, but it just was not written about back then. He made Clinton look like a saint! The difference is that Clinton did not have J. Edgar Hoover around to protect him.
In a way, Clinton was doomed from the minute he won the first time. The rightwingers were going to get him one way or another.

[rug]

17. It did blow the momentum

that might have put Gore in the White House

[Ivan Sputnik]

30. Maybe Gore would have won

if it wasn't for Monica. But, then again, if Gore had been a stronger candidate and had run a better campaign, Monica might not have mattered.

You can go crazy speculating about stuff like this. It's like the "butterfly effect" in chaos theory: Does the flap of a butterfly’s wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?

[Solly Mack]

18. Well, it was good but it wasn't that good

not to toot my own horn...oh, wait...nevermind

[KG]

19. he's not totally wrong.

clintons indulgent affair with an intern cost al gore a slam-dunk walk-off win in 2000.

no blow-job, no bush.

[fluffernutter]

24. not necessarily true, they were trying like hell to find something

to bury Clinton before they had a clue about ML. i believe they would have done anything to taint him and subsequently the democrats to get a republican in the white house again.

[shrike]

26. if it hadn't been the blow job, it would have been something else

Trust me. Besides, Bush stole the election in 2000 -- and I'm not so sure he didn't steal it again in 2004.

[KG]

32. um, no.

it was the blow-job.

[shrike]

36. wrong

Were you asleep during the Clinton years? If they'd have been able to figure out a way to pin devil-worshipping on him, they'd have done it.

And BTW, Clinton's on my shit list at the moment.

[KG]

37. awake enough to see him re-elected during whitewater.

'they' didnt need to pin anything clinton, he gave his enemies all the the ammo they needed. and al gore, and this country has paid the price.

[shrike]

27. "A dangerous sideshow"

A historian on the History Channel pointed out last night that while America was obsessing on Clinton's penis, Bin Laden was plotting the attacks that would kill 3,000 of us and truly change the world.

Another historian said that his counterparts in centuries to come would be scratching their heads over that whole mess.

[derby378]

29. The UK endured the Keeler/Profumo scandal just fine

We'll weather Clinton/Lewinsky the same way. Hey - you know what? We already did!

What have you done? cried Christine.
You've wrecked the whole party machine.
To lie in the nude may be rude,
But to lie in the House is obscene.

[qnr]

33. Off topic, but time in the military doesn't necessarily make you

conservative, if I'm reading " guy at work who I know is conservative (spent some time in the military)" correctly. I'm retired military, and I'm not particularly conservative. :)

[madison2000]

35. yeah, I know, but there is a general leaning with a lot of ex-military in

that direction. I don't understand it, as being in the military would probably make me hate Bush even more. Instead it makes some people justify everything that he does- my commander in chief, right or wrong.

[Webster Green]

38. Ha! I did this little graphic years ago!.....