Seriously what is wrong with people injecting botox into them

[LynneSin]

It's fricking BOTULISM!!!

Look even the CDC prepared a report incase of a terrorist attack with Botulism: http://www.bt.cdc.gov/agent/botulism/index.asp
http://www.aap.org/terrorism/topics/botulism_toxin.html

And we're fricking injecting it into our foreheads?

Do we have any long term affects of this crap in our body?

[eleonora]

1. you know, we don't know about the long term effects

since people just started doing it. We'll see in 20-30 years.

[davidinalameda]

2. anything for beauty!

even poisoning yourself

go figure

[amazona]

3. oh for the love of pete

Botox is not the same form of the organism that causes food poisoning or that is used in a terror attack.

It has been in use for 20 years now, and it is pretty obvious that the great thing about Botox is that the side effects are almost minimal (headache) and if you do have side effects then when you stop getting Botox it quickly clears the system and you're fine.

You would not like older women any better if they didn't do anything about their wrinkles. It is a no-win situation. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Frankly I think it's a great drug and my only issue with it is that it doesn't last as long as one might wish. But that's also a positive, since it does mean if you are one of the few who have side effects or if you get overly treated one time, then the effects wear off pretty fast.

People who don't like Botox are welcome to not to buy it. But I'm tired of being in a trickbag of where -- you're over 40 and don't do anything about your wrinkles, then you're an old witch -- and if you DO do something about them -- then you're still an old witch with "loss of expression."

I'm tired of being told that older women should not try to do anything to improve themselves physically.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Texasgal]

4. I find it terrible

that Women over 40 FEEL the need to do something physically.

Whatever happened to aging gracefully?

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

7. well, if people would live gracefully, they might age gracefully

no?

[amazona]

10. no such thing as aging gracefully

If you look at the bodies and faces of how women aged in pre-technological times, or even how they aged just 20 years ago, it is amazing how far we've come.

A woman of 40 was not aging gracefully in 1950. She was OLD.

Now there are women like Rene Russo who are actually stars over 40. Simply not possible without modern technology.

Aging is painful. Aging is the breakdown of the body and the mind. I vote with the man who said, "I will not go silent into that good night."

I am tired of being lied to about my aging. It is not a pretty process but a painful process. And by that I mean that there is physical pain -- arthritis is not something that happens only to non-vegetarians. Aging sucks. People who want to sit back and let it happen without fighting back are welcome to it. Me, I'm going to fight. With what is learned with what we dare and try today, we make a better life for people in the future...and sometimes even ourselves.

The woman who just lets herself go can't say that.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[UdoKier]

14. What utter nonsense.

A lot of women stayed very beautiful WITHOUT surgery well into their 50s. Getting enough rest and taking care of yourself is better than hideous and fake plastic surgery.

I'm amazed to read such ageist nonsense. I agree that the physical process of aging is a bitch, with aches and malfunctions and so forth, but the faces of old people in a natural state are NOT UGLY! They are beautiful, much more so than these "preserved" celebs!








Here is Lauren Bacall, well into her 80's, wrinkles and all, still beautiful, and no surgery that I know of.

[Texasgal]

15. I am sorry...

But I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you.

My grandmother aged gracefully, she was a beautiful woman right up until the age on 92, when she died.

Beauty is not necessarily on the outside, how you feel about yourself... it's on the inside too.

Taking care of yourself, starting at any age is good for you, it will help you look better, feel better and live longer.

I don't disagree with people who want to have plastic surgery or Botox injections, but I would hope that you are doing it for yourself and not because society has made it that way.

Personally, I will never get any type of botox or plastic surgery just to better my appearance, I believe that I am just fine all by myself, pre-40 wrinkles and all!

[amazona]

21. sigh

Once people start talking about "My grandmother is beautiful at 92" and "Lauren Bacall is beautiful at 80" in that picture where she is most certainly not beautiful, what more is there to say?

We are talking apples and oranges.

The question was about Botox. It was about physical beauty.

It was not about "My grandmother is beautiful to me because I love her" or "Lauran Bacall is beautiful because she's an intelligent woman" or any of that.

Botox is about physical beauty. Taking care of yourself at any age is a great thing to do. But physical beauty fades, and it fades earlier without medical and technical intervention, and kidding me about physical reality is an insult to my intelligence. And I've sort of reached a point where I am tired of being beautiful on the inside. We live in a visual society. Why is it so difficult to be honest with ourselves about it?

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[Texasgal]

23. Um, I never said

That "My grandmother was beautiful because I love her "

She WAS beautiful. She took care of herself, she never smoked, she ate right, she exercised, she drank only in moderation.

The main thing I was pointing out is the fact that woman over 40, don't just "let themselves go" as you implied, many women over 40 take care od themselves, and if they have a few wrinkles that doesn't appear to me that they have just "let themselves go"

It's fine if you feel the need to alter your appearance with Botox or whatever else, that's fine. But to do it because society TELLS us what is OLD or ATTRACTIVE seems foolish to me.If you don't feel good about yourself, than by all means.... go get Botox.

Me? I refuse to let SOCIETY dictate what is attractive or not. That's why I will not "feed" into that frenzy!

[bobbobbins]

25. I think you're the one that propagates the need for botox

you're the one who thinks wrinkles are ugly and saying that its necessary to look beautiful. I think a mature woman who takes care of herself and doesn't need artificial means of restoring her youth is far more attractive than one who is so shallow they'd inject themselves with potentially harmful chemicals to look a few years younger

[UdoKier]

26. Bacall *IS* gorgeous in that picture.

No, she's not the same siren she was at 25, and she's not Liv Tyler. That's not what 80-year-old women are supposed to be. But she IS beautiful, and I'm not just talking about the inside.

You seem to have a real problem with the way the human body functions and ages, and an inability so see beauty that isn't young, firm, supple, etc.

The sparkle of laughter in an eye surrounded by wrinkles is just as charming as the sparkle in a newborn baby's eye to me. It's pretty sad that you just see ugliness.

[LynneSin]

5. I appreciate your feedback..

..I too am reaching that age, but my concern is simple. We thought silicone was safe and look at the problems it caused. We thought IUDs were safe and look at the problems they caused.

Short term may be a headache, but what is longterm. And although it might not be the official botulism if I'm correct they are closely related.

[amazona]

11. sigh...people have been doing this since the mid 1980s

There don't seem to be any long-term effects.

There comes a point where saying I have to wait for the long term is saying that I must wait forever because help will not be available to me in my lifetime. I think 20 years is pretty long term when you consider that the normal life expectancy is around 80 and you don't start with Botox until after age 40.

And you also need to compare what you would otherwise do. If Botox helps you put off a face lift (major surgery) for another decade, then that is another thing to consider. The risks from general anesthesia are known and not as easily dismissed. Even with good care, people have died. The author Olivia Goldsmith died last year under anesthesia for cosmetic surgery. So you need to consider what you would be doing if you didn't do the Botox.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[LynneSin]

18. I just don't do any of it

and I'm just shy of my 40th.

I've got enough peer pressure in my life at this age - screw em if they don't like my wrinkles

[Texasgal]

19. And why would you?

You obviously are not freaked out about the way you look or how people perceive you.

Me neither.... I prefer to feel good about myself and screw everybody else!

[LynneSin]

20. My ass is fat - I have other more pressing issues

Plus I was never one to spend much time in the sun preferring books to frying up my skin slathered with baby oil.

And I do worry about my skin but I just use this stuff which has done wonders for my face (not cheap - but the Cosmetic Counter also carries it which is an outlet store for Estee Lauder products)

[UdoKier]

9. Older women (and men) should improve themselves physically.

Botox and plastic surgery are not "improvements".

Diet and excercise, even dye jobs and hairpieces to make the hair fuller are great ways to combat age. A little moisturizer, and nice, subtle makeup are great.

There is nothing wrong with a few wrinkles. I happen to like smile lines!

[amazona]

12. now think about the logic of this

Botox is not acceptable as an improvement to my physical plant.

Yet a hairpiece "to make the hair fuller" is a "great" way to combat age. I can tell you have no experience with hairpieces. They are a pain in the rear end, and they are hot. The good ones are also substantially more expensive than Botox.

I go to the Botox party, I get the jab, and it's done for 3 months. I get a hairpiece and it's a nuisance and an interference in being active or allowing people close to me every single hour of the day.

Or wait--maybe I can get hair extensions for a mere $3,000 a month! And my partner can still feel where it's woven into my hair so, again, I don't want to be close to anyone?

Just not seeing the logic here. Hairpieces stink. Botox is better technology any way you look at it. We need something better for baldness and thinning hair. Crappy baldness pills that don't work sell so well because hairpieces aren't a good choice either. In an area where we have no good choices, OK, throw up your hands and say baldness is sexy or whatever. What choice do you have? But don't kid me about how my smile lines look if I still have an option to deal with them.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[UdoKier]

16. I was talking about hairpieces for women. Balding men should SHAVE IT OFF

There are very nice little hairpieces that women can clip right into their hair for a night out, and they are not that expensive, and they are also not a prerequisite. You can grow your hair and put it into a bun, or cut it short and get a perm, whatever floats your boat, but none of these things turn your face into a piece of stretched plastic.


Apparently, you're a guy, and also very vain. You're entitled to be that way, but I hope you don't take it to the extreme that some of the folks in the photos I posted have. They look AWFUL.

[amazona]

22. I am a woman and good hairpieces for women with FINE hair

...do not exist at reasonable cost. Clips stay in fine hair for minutes at best. They are a barrier to being active and to being close to people. They are a far worse form of fakery and distancing than any cosmetic surgery!

I don't doubt that YOU can grow your hair out and put it in a bun, not every woman is so fortunate just by virtue of being female.

Too many assumptions being made here by people who haven't been there...yet.

The conservation movement is a breeding ground of communists
and other subversives. We intend to clean them out,
even if it means rounding up every birdwatcher in the country.
--John Mitchell, US Attorney General 1969-72

[UdoKier]

24. We're all getting older.

(And I'm sorry for assuming you were male.)

I'm not pleased to see wrinkles appearing in the mirror, but I'd rather look natural than like a weird, stiff-faced mummy. That's just my preference. My grandma had all kinds of wrinkles (and a bun!) each one of them etched with kindness. I loved her face, just as it was, and am saddened to imagine if she had spent her later years stretching and contorting her face with surgery into something unrecognizeable.


There is a place for plastic surgery. Very unsightly features may need correction. My other grandma (92) just had her eyes lifted - not for cosmetic reasons, but because here eyelids were so droopy she could barely see! The change was fairly subtle and I didn't notice it until she told me.

But I stand by my remark that wrinkles in and of themselves are NOT UGLY.

[UdoKier]

6. Ummm... most of us are NOT injecting it into our foreheads.

I've never understood the compulsion of some people to want to look like this:

[skypilot]

13. This is the one that really kills me:

She had a beautiful nose BEFORE. She just ruined the damned thing.

[David__77]

8. Nothing wrong with doing it.

I'll get botox injections when the time is right. I know that many people have had good results with very minimal side effects. In such low doses, this is the case.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. Doesn't EVERYTHING Have Long Term Effects?

Just asking. I think the primary long term effect of life is death. Right? While i'm never gonna do anything like that, if it makes people happy, i'm not judging. (Well, maybe i'll judge a little.) I figure it's better than unnecessary surgery.
The Professor

[Nikia]

27. My husband's cousin's wife started doing this when she was 25

I recently turned 27 and all I can say is "yikes". I have just started using skin care products and haven't even bought anything serious. I still get carded for 18. Personally, most women who have it done while they are still young, actually look worse afterwards than before.
I wonder about the long term affects on these vain women's beauty. If you start botox at 25, will your skin be worse off at 40 if you would have to stop than if you never used it in the first place.
I don't know if I'll ever use it. My mother is 44 and doesn't look old at all using only make up. Both my grandmothers had only minimal wrinkles until they were into their 60s. Of course, we live in Northern climates and none of them tanned or spent significant amount of time outside without skin protection. From observing other friend's mothers growing up, tanning seemed to be the biggest cause of premature wrinkles.