Teacher Has Sex with Pupil While Baby in Car: Cops

[alwynsw]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=583&e=1&u=/nm/20050301/od_nm/odd_sex_teacher_dc

What is wrong with this woman? What 16-year-old would turn down (almost any) sex at any opportunity? If she's sane, I hope she is never allowed to teach anyone outside of an adult education program. Better yet; she should find another career field after she get out of prison - if the case proves to be true.

<snip>SACRAMENTO, Calif. (Reuters) - A California high school teacher was arraigned on Monday at a Sacramento court accused of having sex with a student in a car as her two-year child was strapped into the back seat.

[reichstag911]

1. More importantly,...

...where were these teachers when I was in school?!?

[sweetheart]

3. Yea! Where?

Having a fancy for one's teacher is nothing new.... but someone must
better inform us on the best schools to enroll our teenagers in so they
can get more "experience". :-)

[Skittles]

102. sick

these are some sick women

[TahitiNut]

15. I must admit to similar thoughts.

It perplexes me that my attitude of disgust is mingled with some envy. I wonder if there's an "inner adolescent" keeping my "inner child" company.

The photos/videos I've seen of these teachers only exacerbate the delinquency of my "inner adolescent" I must say. :shrug:

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[reichstag911]

4. You're welcome. Clem. n/t

[nagbacalan]

11. It all depends on whether

the square root of seven is really purple.

[Warpy]

5. OH MAH GAWD A PORE BAY BEE

This is the kind of hysterical bullshit that turns me off to the legitimacy of any case. No two year old is traumatized by seeing their parents getting it on. They don't process it at all. The fact that this is being publicised makes me wonder about how tight their case is.

If the case is true, she needs to find another line of work, at the very least, preferably after she's had some jail time to think things over.

Randy high school boys who look older than they are have always been an occupational hazard. The fact that this stuff is seen as worthy of front page news means female teachers taking them up on their offers is still very, very rare.

[chrisbur]

6. Hear hear!

I agree completely. The baby should be a non issue. We Muricans are all screwed up about sex. It's as if the act emits some evil taint.
On a side note: I had sex with a friend of my parents when I was 17. I was freakin' thrilled. Heck, I'm 36 and I'm still bragging.

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[Lex]

14. What about in countries where everyone lives in 1 or 2 rooms

and there's a pile of kids in the family?

Are all the little kids warped by the sex that obviously must happen when they are somewhere around, or at night, or something?

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[chickenscratching]

20. he's two years old! not 4 not 8 not 12...

if anything the mom should be hitting herself over the head because little Jimmy could go tell daddy about "new" daddy--------------how do they know what 'fucking', or as I like to say it, peforming coitus is??? you say felony rape, that has a LOT of negative connotation, i'm not saying that what they did isn't wrong, but if it truly was CONSENSUAL, it's not like the 2 year old saw blood and hitting and gore and whathaveyou.
maybe im wrong, i dunno.
i bet this child will have repressed childhood memories, will consistantly dream about cigars and never truly be happy for the rest of his life.

[Turley]

23. Do you have kids?

I'd be interested to know.

And you can try all you want to make this a case of "sex isn't really naughty". IMO that's not the issue. The issue is whether this cretin has abdicated her right to raise her child based on her hideous lack of judgement. I suppose I might be wrong, but I'm fairly certain when the court decides who raises the kid it sure as hell ain't gonna be her.

[chickenscratching]

24. no turley, i don't

have children, so there you go, obviously my arguement means shit because i haven't been there right?
whatever.
i'm not saying that her judgement was good, or if this lawfully makes her unsuitable to raise her children, but in my own OPINION, i don't see how this could have affected her Two year old in any way whatsoever.

[Turley]

25. Now how did I guess that?

I suspect that once you've raised a kid or two, and nurtured them through that extraordinary growth period between 24-36 months, you'd have a different view.

Just my guess, or maybe my prediction.

[chickenscratching]

27. well there's also a lot of parents out there that don't know

shit about raising children but have the biggest ego in the world...so really, you don't have any credibility with me either.

my question to you is, what memories do you have as a two year old??

it's about awareness Turley, agian i will tell you that i didn't say that this woman made an OK decision, all i tried to say is that a two year old is pretty young to think theyre going to take anything away from a sexual, or any situation in any kind of indepth level.

if this woman had sex with her 5 year old child in the backseat, yea, that's a little fucked up.
but we're talking about a two year old....what memories do your children (because i'm assuming you've raised " a kid or two") have from birth to age 2? please i'd like to know

[Turley]

50. Poor argument

Firstly, the article says a two year old. That means 24-36 months (and there is a huge difference). I assume the cops erred to the younger side seeing as how they want to make a case in court.

Secondly, I don't find your argument compelling that the only events which can be detrimental to a child's emotional well-being are those experiences which can be perfectly recalled during adulthood. Most of us had parents who treated us with tender, loving care when we were toddlers and that TLC contributed to our emotional development. But we don't specifically recall all those events nowadays do we? But despite our inability to recall them, those events and experiences helped make us what we are today.

Small children, generally, enjoy the best emotional development when they are in a loving, caring, stable atmosphere. I hope you will agree with me that Mommy fucking some stranger two feet away is not an example of a loving, caring, stable environment. No, toddlers do not always understand 100% of what they are witnessing. But they are amazingly aware of emotions (you may discover this someday). Children are fantastically in tune emotions in their surroundings and react accordingly when there are massive changes.

This gets me to my last point. This is the part where I get to use technical jargon. I will not bore you with details of my experience with small children but let's just say it is extensive with a capital "E". I know kids inside and out. And if you allow a 24-36 month old to watch Mommy fucking some teenager from two feet away it is going to freak the kid fucking out (told you I'd use technical language). You can cite me volumes of behavioral scientists talking about brain stem development....I don't care. You put a kid in that situation it's gonna freak them the fuck out. Plain and simple. No, they may not be able to recall the episode in detail years down the road, but in the meantime it is not going to be good for their emotional well-being. Even if the kid doesn't understand exactly what's going on, he's going to be confused, bewildered, and hurt. That's just the way those little tykes react.

You can Google up case studies til your ears bleed. I have the field experience. I know exactly how kids are. I'm still waiting for some actual PARENTS to come down on your side of this argument. Notice their absence?

One of these days you'l know what I'm talking about.

[Vladimir]

21. At two years old

the kid is not gonna have a clue about what sex is or what mommy was doing. Likely trauma resulting from the child witnessing the act: zero. Likely trauma resulting from ensuing divorce and a mom in jail: lots. That's not to say the mother shouldn't be punished, she should. But her crime *as regards the child* is getting caught.

PS it could be either a misdemeanour or a felony under California law. See http://www.ageofconsent.com/california.htm

[Tansy_Gold]

34. As someone who slept in the same room with her parents

until she was 3+ years old, I can assure you, there is NO TRAUMA from witnessing one's parent(s) having sex.

I have no conscious memory of witnessing my parents doing the down-and-dirty or whatever the hell you want to call it, though I do have very clear memories of the room, my crib, the stair landing outside the bedroom door, the kitchen and the bathroom of the apartment we lived in (upstairs of my grandparents' house). I have no memories, however, of the living room.

My mother was 20 when I was born, my dad 23. I don't think they went celibate for three years to avoid damaging my psyche.

I think we should at least be glad this woman didn't leave her child alone in the car while she went into a motel or something.

[Turley]

51. "One's parents"

That's not what we're talking about here.

[Rabrrrrrr]

87. Bwuhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yeah, every two year old I've been around is not totally cognizant of the "fact" that sex is dirty and disgusting and taboo and sick and something that they shouldn't be exposed to and also has utterly processed the idea of matrimonial fidelity and come down cleanly on the side of "morality" and thus is traumatized not only by having to witness that icky, sick disgusting act of taboo that is "sex", but is also traumatized because the two year old is fully - morally, ethically, spiritually, psychologically - aware of the "evil" of its mother breaking her marriage vows and having illegal sex with a minor.

BWUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[Lex]

91. Good, at least now I know I'm not the only one

who thinks that notion is laughable.

[Debi]

96. Woman-with-children

hater! :grr:

[Lex]

22. Oh, *I'm* nuts, but you think a 2 year old has processed all that?

.
You said "The woman committed felony rape in public with her toddler two feet away and you think that's OK? You must be nuts."

---

Yeah, right. I'm the one who's nuts.

And, P.S.--I never said it was "OK", please don't mischaracterize my post. I asked a question, which in all your name-calling, you failed to answer.

[Turley]

52. See post 50 and

btw I did answer your question. I very clearly stated that it is NOT merely about a child witnessing sexual intercourse. That is not the issue at all.

[Lex]

56. Yes, it is the issue.

You are running around calling me "nuts" and saying no one can know better than you because you have kids . . . well, I call bullshit.

The issue as you originally posted about is the 2 year old getting harmed by being in the car when this happened.

The 2 year old doesn't know that his mother is having sex with a 16 year old student of hers, period.

Twist and turn it all you want, but all over the world people have intercourse when their small children are around and the children aren't screwed up or harmed by it.

Deal with it.

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[Bouncy Ball]

54. Like the two year old knows what fucking is.

The two year old processed this (most likely):

Mommy is very close to that man (to a two year old a teenager is grown!), she is moving around, there are noises, etc.

THAT'S what that two year old processed. Sheesh, Drama Queenish much?

[Turley]

55. Lemme guess

you don't have kids either, do you?

[Lex]

57. So WHAT? Even screwed up parents have kids.

And plenty of good people with good judgment DON'T.

You have been calling other posters names and acting like no one is allowed to have an opinion about kids unless they have them.

[Turley]

59. Well I'm so sorry

Though you have to admit I have an amazing knack for identifying the non-parents based on their flippant and (dare I say) ignorant comments on the capabilities of children.

BTW, I don't believe I've called anyone a name yet.

[Lex]

60. You're wrong.

.
You called me nuts. Maybe that's okay in your perfect world and isn't considered name-calling.

And other parents have weighed in on this topic and think you have an amazing knack for just being plain wrong.

Do you undestand that more than half the people on this earth live in one and two room huts and houses and routinely must engage in intercourse while their small children are around?

Do you seriously think that all these children are harmed by it? Not every place is like the US and kids turn out just fine all over the world.

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[Debi]

69. Actually you call Lex a 'Genius'

and you didn't mean it in a nice way.

I have a child (only one so I guess you still got me beat) and was a single mother for five years before I married my current husband.

I had sexual intercourse with men in my bed which was right down the hall from my child's room. I was not married to them and they were not his father.

Should I be put in jail?

[Bouncy Ball]

100. Amazing knack?

Well you missed on me, because I AM a parent.

[Debi]

103. You must also be a heathen?

Beware wanderer...you are walking into a dangerous situation.

[Bouncy Ball]

106. What? A heathen?

No....not a heathen!

[Debi]

110. Then you have sex

while your child is in close proximity....naughty, naughty!! :bounce:

[Bouncy Ball]

113. Sometimes she's just down the hall!!!!!!

GASP!!!!

But hey we lock the door and are quiet. But she is almost 11. I think she's going to catch on eventually that Mommy and Daddy aren't always "talking."

Ah well, such is life!

[Debi]

114. Wait 'til she's a teenager!

My son hates it when we kiss hello/good-bye or hug each other in his presence.

He shouts "Children in the house!", and covers his eyes. I hope that's not from the past scars I've left him with!

I gotta go home now.

Fun talking with ya!

[Bouncy Ball]

99. Actually I do.

And you point is?

I'm also an educator and have had multiple child psychology courses.

Now that the bigger dick contest is over, want to address what I said?

[Debi]

105. You used the words

fuck and dick.

That makes you unfit to be a parent and therefore unfit to post on this thread.

I'm telling you...don't go down that path!!!

[Bouncy Ball]

107. fuck, dick, fuck, dick, fuck, dick, fuck, dick

FUCK DICK FUCK DICK.

In life, there is both the sacred and profane.

[Debi]

111. Now what do compusable gasses have to do with this thread?

If you don't know I can't read!

[reichstag911]

120. well said! n/t

[Bouncy Ball]

104. Another thing Turley

I think you've gotten way off-track here. There are a few problems with this story.

1. A teacher is having sex with her student. That's certainly unethical.

2. An adult is having sex with a minor. Again, I have a problem with that.

3. The teacher is cheating on her husband. This falls more into the category of "none of my business" and the first two problems are big enough as it is.

4. She is having sex in front of her two year old.

I think you must be assuming no one in this thread has a problem with #4. Well, I think it is certainly distasteful, at best.

But to scream that the child is traumatized is just....well, crazy. The child doesn't even have any sense of what is happening. Without any sense (context, meaning) of what is happening, trauma cannot occur.

Honestly, while the child being in the car is probably the biggest EWWWW factor in this story, it is NOT the biggest ethical or legal problem!

Now if the child were four or older, I'd say, yeah we have a bigger problem here. Way bigger. But two? No.

Certainly problems #1 and 2 are of most concern to the authorities involved, both law enforcement and school district.

[Debi]

58. Oh My GOD...

So my son knew what I was doing when I was 'planning Christmas' with a man in my bedroom? (The man was not his father since I was divorced).

I have harmed my child indefinately!!!

That must be why he's doing so well in school and in social activities.

Because I had sex in close proximity to my child with a man that was not his 'daddy' when he was two years old.

Lock me up and throw away the key!!

[Lex]

62. Exactly. Don't tell Turley. She'll no doubt call the cops

or the Dept. of Social Services.

Jeez.

[Debi]

63. I'm sorry, do you have children?

If not you cannot relate to what I am saying and have no business responding to my response. :P

[Lex]

65. Hee hee.

You go, Debi! :toast:

[Turley]

67. Chuckle, chuckle

but your example was clearly contextually different, wasn't it? Oops, forgive me for noticing the glaring discrepancy.

Edit: spelling

[Debi]

70. I'm so silly

what is different from what I was doing to what the teacher was doing? I was having sex, and a two year old was nearby. The person I was having intercourse was not my child's father....difference?

[Turley]

72. Please answer

Number 68 just below us. If you don't see a difference I don't know what to think about you. The question is there. Just read it and answer it.

[Debi]

75. You are passing judgment on me now?

Because I don't agree with you?

This is one for the mods.

[Turley]

78. Yes I'm passing judgement on you

or at least your ability to make a cogent argument. Thusfar you've done an excellent job of comparing apples to oranges and completely and utterly misconstruing my arguments.

As for your personal sexual history, I can't say that I'm really interested. I used you in the hypothetical example but if it makes you feel better we can just leave it at "Jane Doe" or "Mrs. X" or whoever. I really don't care about you in particular Debi. In general though, I do care a whole lot about kids and children's issues. Somebody wants to zap me for that, I reckon there's not much I can do about it.

[Lex]

80. Debi's done nothing wrong and her child

is just fine.

Leave her alone and quit calling her out. It's against the rules here, as I'm sure you know.

[Turley]

84. Oh dear sweet jesus

I'm asking her to give a simple answer to a direct question. I have in no way implied that she's done anything wrong or that there is anything wrong with her child.

Pay attention.

[Debi]

85. Actually you did in your post below

and could you please not use the Lord's name in vain?

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[put out]

98. I guess I don't have this straight.

Writing about have sex with men, in your bed, with your child not far away. O.K. I can understand this. Even "planning Christmas".

But, it seems ironic to "plan Christmas" with some lover, and then protest another person's using the Lord's name in vain. Seems to me that you were doing something much more blasphemous, to lie about planning the celebration of Christ's birth, while having illicit sex.

Hmm. Good Lordy.

[Debi]

101. Yeah...

Me showing moral outrage is somewhat hypocritical, huh? Just like someone who thinks they have a right to pass judgment on people who just don't agree with them, wouldn't you say?

[put out]

109. Naw. I'm all for sex between consenting adults.

I just thought it ironic to object to language which irreverently invoked Christ, while writing about invoking his name, as a cover to have sex.

I'm not judging anyone on this thread. If you want to fuck another adult at Christmas or Easter (tell your child you are waiting for the Big Bunny or Jesus to arrive, and they both want you to go back to bed) go right ahead. I would use any excuse I could dream up.

Please, peace. Holy Guacamole! Is that better?

[Debi]

112. I meant the person who was judging me...

I'm not very good at sarcasm I guess b/c I think you took me seriously. (and if you look elsewhere in this thread you'll see that I used the Lord's name in vain myself...)

And the Christmas thing is more about Santa than Jesus Christ anyway...but that's probably for another thread in nine months or so!!

This did not have to get so heated if SOME PEOPLE could agree that other people may have opinions other than theirs.

If you don't agree with me it's fine, but be nice about it, eh? And you, put out, were nice. Thank you! :hi:

[put out]

119. Well, holy guacamole.

I got you wrong, and I thought I was the High Princess of Sarcasm. I lift my glass to other opinions. Please have them; it makes life interesting. The Giant Bunny Day when we roll away the stone and wake up and...is coming right up. I wish you a happy one, however you chose to celebrate. Truly.

[Debi]

82. You've continued to place your MORAL CODE in this thread

and expected the other posters to follow it or you will call them names, put them down and pass judgment on them.

It must be hard being better than everyone on this thread (or at least the people that disagree with you).

You don't like the fact that the woman had sex with someone other than her husband in front of her child. Which is no different than what many single mothers and fathers have ended up doing (intentionally or unintentionally).

If you believe I'm morally repugnant and not a suitable parent then please report me to the authorities. PM me and I will give you my personal information so that you can call them immediately.

Otherwise, again, allow me an anyone else who doesn't follow your almost perfect code of conduct to have an opinion other than yours.

(and if you don't care...why do you keep responding?)

[Turley]

90. I was simply hoping

that at some point you two would comprehend the argument at all.

Apparently it has never dawned on you two that I'm not even arguing from a Moralist POV. I'm an atheist divorcee myself. You don't have to be some Bible-thumper to realize that this teacher's behavior is bound to have a detrimental effect on her kid. Plain and Simple.

And again, I never made any inferece that you are not a good parent, just a lousy reader.

[Debi]

94. I recommend that you review your posts.

You professed to pass judgment on me. You questioned my morals. All I did was disagree with your opinion. And before your post questioning my ability to read was (thankfully) deleted you had posted twice that this WAS about a woman having sex with someone other than her child's biological father.

Now I'm not to take any offense to your personal jabs at me (including my inability to read at the level you've determined I should be reading at...thank the Lord I'm not mentally disabled or you'd have the Reading Police take away my ability to post on DU). I

I'm supposed to involve myself in civil discourse while you insult willy nilly. What great double standards you have set for yourself.

[Turley]

68. One more before bed

Just a hypotheitcal for you debi. If you were married, would you fuck another man two feet away from your toddler. If not, why not? Explain your answer.

[Debi]

71. I am married.

And I would not have sex with another man because I love and respect my husband.

But I did have sex with another man (not my child's father) while my child was in a room right down the hall.

Are you going to tell me that two year olds now understand the complexity of matrimony?

If that's true then my son should hate me for divorcing his biological father an marrying another man who then adopted him (and who he calls Dad now).

Witnessing sex doesn't damage children. And you don't have to be married to have sex.

I don't agree with what this woman did...but your moral outrage argument doesn't hold water.

[Turley]

74. You danced right around it

without answering it directly, which is exactly what I expected from you.

[Debi]

76. You will only accept one answer

and that is the one you have framed in your mind.

You are running from the truth and that is that witnessing sex does not damage a child.

If you believe I have broken any laws by having sex with a man other than my child's biological father please alet the Iowa Department of Human Services.

Otherwise, once again, drop the high moral priestss tone with those who disagree with you on this thread.

We are all entitled to opinions other than yours.

[Lex]

79. I guess we just aren't allowed to disagree.

First, it was that we had no kids so we couldn't understand.

Now another mom comes along and says a 2 year is not going to be damaged by being closeby when intercouse takes place, and Turley can't accept that either.

Fact is, this happens all over the world in all kinds of circumstances every day and toddlers aren't damaged by it.

[Debi]

83. Gee, Lex, do you think our folks may have had intercourse

close by when we were kids and that's why we just don't get it?

[Lex]

86. Yeah, my psyche is all damaged

and to add to further horror, I don't even have kids! :gasp:

Now I find out that not only do 2 year olds get damaged by being near such a thing, but they can tell that mommy's not married to the guy!

[Debi]

88. And now I can't read...

my life is going to hell in a handbasket!!!:cry:

Tell my child I'm sorry for every having intercourse with someone other than his biological father!!

[Rabrrrrrr]

89. That must be my problem, too! I bet my parents did the "nasty, dirty"

deed with me nearby as well.

How awful of them!! Thank God they were married - surely I would have been more traumatized, being fully aware of the marital vows and the ethical and moral implications thereof.

I am sure that, at two, I was laying there thinking "Gee, Mother is with that man to whom she is not married, and they are doing something taboo and dirty. Mother is an adulteress! My father is being cuckolded! If mother conceives because of this brief adulteress encounter, my step-brother or step-sister will be a bastard! THE SHAME! Oh, I shit my pants."

[Lex]

93. LOL!

Rabrrrrr, you have a way with words! :thumbsup:

[Debi]

97. I just wish I could read them

:silly:

[Debi]

95. Your biological parents had sex with each other

Your pain does not count here!

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[Fleshdancer]

66. FWIW....

long term memory doesn't usually develop until the age of 3. That's why many people's first memory is when they're 3 or 4 years old. Obviously there are exceptions, but the odds are this kid won't remember anything even if he could process the act of sex.

If I had to guess, this situation might be traumatic if Mommy made noises that could have made the child think she was in danger. People can make some funky noises when having sex :shrug:

When my husband tickles me, I usually scream and yell "stop" pretty loudly. One time, when my daughter was two, we were playing around, I got tickled and yelled, and my girl started to cry. She thought he was hurting me even though I was laughing. The screaming scared her. :(

[Debi]

73. Careful...Turley will have you turned it

to the authorities!

[Debi]

77. What do two year olds do when two women have sex in the next room

or two men?


Or is homosexuality against the MORAL CODE as well as having sex with someone other than the biological father of your child?

[Fleshdancer]

118. well obviously....

that's how the recruitment begins! Didn't you read any of the super secret gay agenda power point presentations on recruiting children?

:silly:

[Debi]

122. Hahahahahaha!

And I always thought it was the secret intitiations during high school gym class!!!

[chickenscratching]

18. but....

however, at the age of 2 the hypothalamous (which is attributed to memory in the brain) is still developing, making a point that the baby probably wont even remember. secondly, because the child is two his thoughts and opinions about sex and what sex is are probably close to nil. soooo...when the child has no idea of what's happening how is this detrimental. sex and observing sex is detrimental when we give our children that the idea of sex is wrong and sinful, etc. this child probably knows little about sexual activity, and since the sexual act didn't involve him (at least i hope not), how would this be received as a big deal? or detrimental?

[muriel_volestrangler]

31. A lot of people (most?) have memories from when they were 2

I do. I know I was 2 (about 2 and a half, to be exact) because one was at a school that my brother left then, and another couple from a family vacation. And those were all fairly everyday occurances (like a car breaking down). Memories may go back further, but you can't always tie them down to a particular date.

Of course, the point here is that cheating on your husband is 'sinful' and wrong; and doing it with one of your pupils worse. We hope the child won't realise what's happening - it's probably no worse than seeing parents have an argument.

[mordarlar]

37. I also remember things from that age. I remember people who died...

before i was three. I also remember a car accident and sitting in a type of car seat.

[chickenscratching]

28. AND....

since i see you have raised four children, why don't you tell us about what they can process? please explain

[Renew Deal]

13. So you have had sex in front of your children?

[mordarlar]

36. My 3 yr old would KNOW words that were spelled over her head...

sometimes. While i mostly understand where you are coming from i have to say that sex is often misunderstood as a violent act by those to young to understand the concept of the act. A child at two may not UNDERSTAND sex but the fear of what is occurring MAY be there. We just cannot know what any child processes.

This said i would add that i wholeheartedly believe sex is misunderstood by the American culture.

[silvermachine]

7. You need coolin'...

...and baby I'm not foolin'...

http://www.nbc4.tv/slideshow/news/4227907/detail.html

[amber dog democrat]

8. I feel deprived.

And envious. My highschool was not nearly that much fun.

[Nimrod]

10. ::grins::

THAT's why women never go to jail for this sort of thing. We hear about a male teacher banging a female student and go "the fiend!". We hear about a female teacher banging a male student and go "well, THAT's pretty cool..."

Anyway, married people have been having sex while their kids doze in the same room since kids were invented.

[olddad56]

12. that is how kids were invented.

[opihimoimoi]

17. In our Pagan High school, all the students banged the teachers/vice versa

Most of us used that option and all of us are well adjusted/cultured/good citizens/etc

Why make pleasure a Crime???

[olddad56]

44. That would have been my dream as a 16 year old boy

but not with a baby in the car.

[steve2470]

116. are you serious ? Just curious

[opihimoimoi]

121. LOL, no, just facetious...... :o)

[Vladimir]

16. Sure they go to jail

because the courts, thankfully, resist the temptation to think with their dick. I agree with you, my first thought when these threads come up is 'lucky bastard...' but then the boring part of my brain kicks in... because unless you think we should have a differential age of consent for boys and girls, its either a crime or it ain't. Boys can be pressured into sex before they are ready too, but we tend as a society to repress female sexuality and portray men as studs who are always up for it. Its unfair on both genders and doesn't get us anywhere...

[Nimrod]

45. Sure, for a couple weeks

They have to try to run off with the kid AGAIN before they get a real prison sentence.

[Megahurtz]

26. Her husband must not be too happy

about this one.

[SmokingJacket]

29. I had a math teacher who flirted with me (and all the girls)

relentlessly. What effect did it have on me? Damn, I studied my trigonometry like a mad woman!

He'd be out on his kiester now, I suppose. Which would have been a pity.

But actual sex with a student is a bit much...

[Snellius]

30. Well, in the great scheme of things ...

...

[bobthedrummer]

32. She is part of a trend in US schools today.

Children face sex risk at US schools (Guardian)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1263844,00.html

[TacoSteve]

33. Classy n/t

[Blue_Tires]

35. ok, i don't get it

what is with all these teachers banging their pupils?

[phrenzy]

38. That's HAWT!

Good lord.

People can snivel and finger wag all they want - But that girl is pretty hot. So Is Mary K Laterneu. Yum.

Lucky bastards.

Well, I got my book store manager when I was 15 and she was 25.

Sex is NOT violence people. Get over it.

[mac56]

39. "16 year old boy? Heh-heh-heh. Lucky bastard."

Think about it. If you were a 16 year old boy being hit on by a hot teacher, wouldn't you be scared shitless that her husband would come looking to rip your arms off? (Or something else...)

I don't think it's all a fantasy come true for this kid.

[phrenzy]

40. Actually, No.

I don't think I would be. I'd know i'd be safe (at 16) - in fact, I'd be much more scared if I was HER age and doing it. At 16 I would have been well aware that I would be safe in simply saying "but I'm just a poor kid!"

[Behind the Aegis]

41. I wonder, if the tables were turned.

Would we see as many "that is hot!" "What a lucky bastard!" if the headline read...."Harold Mann,a California high school teacher, was arraigned on Monday at a Sacramento court accused of having sex with a 16yo female student in a car." I think the statements would be, "that is sick!" "I hope the bastard rots in jail!"

Now, let's twist some more. "Harold Mann,a California high school teacher, was arraigned on Monday at a Sacramento court accused of having sex with a 16yo male student in a car." Of course the religious-Reich would have a field day! But, I predict some of the comments we would find here would be: "What is his problem?!" and "I guess he sill soon get all the sex he wants where he is going."

So why is it more acceptable for an adult female to have sex with a teenage male (under the age of consent), but not the other way around, or if it were same-sex couples?

[Lex]

42. One reason is that the female who is molested can get pregnant.

That has been, historically, one reason why the punishment is greater for MEN who have sexual intercourse with underage females.

[Behind the Aegis]

53. Not talking of punishment, per se

What I was asking is why it is more socially acceptable when the 'abuser' is female and straight. I think is this story had been written as the teacher were male and the student a 16yo female, we wouldn't see any "Lucky" responses, but rather "Pervert" responses.

[Wright Patman]

43. Forrest Gump

woulda beat the snot out of the 16-year-old just like he did the frat boy in the back seat with Jenny at college.

[ClarkUSA]

46. Would everyone be as blase if it were a 16 yr.old girl with a male teacher

whose 2 year old was in the back seat?

[shrike]

48. Or if the girl in question were their daughter? n/t

[MrSlayer]

49. No, because it's different.

Call it a double standard or whatever but the fact is the boy most likely loved it and was more than happy to be "taken advantage of". Boys and girls are very different emotionally. All a teenaged boy wants is sex and more sex where a teen girl is usually manipulated into giving up sex thinking it's love for the lecherous older guy. It can be a lot more damaging for a girl emotionally. The only emotion the boy is going to feel is disappointment that he isn't getting it anymore. This description isn't absolute but I think you can say it's true in the majority of cases. It's just the way it is.

[Nikia]

47. She took unfair advantage of the boy

We don't whether or not he will feel right about this incident for the rest of his life or not. The fact though is that children go through school being taught to look up to their teachers and always do what the teacher says. This conditioning makes a teen more likely to have sex with their teacher than they would with an equivalent adult who they did not know. Most teachers who have sex with their students are well aware of this.

[lolly]

115. Evidence?

I'm asking this in all seriousness.

Have any studies been done on the effect of sexual activity between a consenting 15-18 year old boy and a female authority figure?

Everybody from SUV to DU message boards talks about life-long damage, never trusting authority figures, etc. etc. Is there any research to support this?

I'm not talking about 9 year old altarboys molested by priests, so don't cite evidence from that arena.

And please don't insult my intelligence by telling me that the two types of cases are the same. They aren't, pure and simple.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

108. Breaking: Supreme Court overturns Death Penalty for 16 year olds

I am humored by the fact that on this thread, people are arguing the 16 year old is a kid...on another thread someone argued that overturning the death penalty for 16 year olds will encourage gangs to use younger kids to do their dirty work.

We need to get over this reactive style of legislation and decide as a society once and for all...is 16 a MINOR or an ADULT?

(the teacher is an asshole who should be punished...virtual sex education is not part of her job description. Women and men alike need to manage their impulses)

[secular_warrior]

117. re this phenomena: I'm envious but wonder about the big picture.

When I hear about the sex that goes on in schools today, my first reaction is pure jealousy: the girls give oral so easy, the hot female teachers with male students .. it sure must be a fun time to be a male high school or college student ! Damn - I missed the boat by only a decade ! In 'my day' (early 90's), none of this happened ! We had to devise intricate strategies to get oral and still rarely got it anyway (or if we did, the girl wasn't into it and it wasn't that good). The young, hot teacher usually had a brawny, mean-looking husband who showed up at the school in his expensive sports car. Sex with Ms. Hottie would've been the farthest thing from reality.

But, there are much bigger issues here.

The natural reaction to this: that an underage male with an adult female is "hot" and an underage female with an older male is "sick" -reveals something about ourselves.

Quite simply, it says that we are not equal, at least when it comes to sexual behavior. And I don't think this double standard can be explained away by society and it's oppresive views alone - the reaction is too universal, too primal. I think this has more to do with nature, i.e. behavioral genetics. And those implications are far ranging, as will be society's attempt to deal with those implications: if it's 'cute' and somewhat legally overlooked for a female adult to have sex with a minor, should we think of the opposite (older male with a minor female) in the same way, at least from a legal standpoint ? What about rape? If women are so sexually unihibited, and sex isn't a bad thing, is rape (committed by either gender) really on the same level as murder ? Or is it something much less - like assault ?

Also, I wonder what effect this is going to have on female teachers (and female professionals in general) who don't want to be viewed as sex objects. I wonder about all of the female professionals who aren't sexy/pretty (by young male standards) suddenly feeling the pressure to be, and feeling that their only worth is physical. And what about the young boys, who may be conditioned to only see female authority figures in a sexual light. What effect is that going to have when they get to the workplace and beyond ?