Never ... under any circumstances ... get drunk and watch 'Casablanca'

[Bok_Tukalo]

ESPECIALLY if you are over 35.

[JimmyJazz]

1. Aw - do you need a hug?

:hug:

That is the bestest movie EVAH.

[Bok_Tukalo]

6. Give this cynic a little bit of it

I will feel guilty tomorrow for my weakness.

[WI_DEM]

2. why?

[Bok_Tukalo]

7. That's a bit like asking the price of an Austin

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

[yvr girl]

3. I just have to love any guy who loves Casablanca

It does make you a bit wistful about love though.

[Bok_Tukalo]

20. Really?

Seems the message is "love is for suckers."

[yvr girl]

22. No. True love is noble.

It wasn't the happy ending you want, but Rick did the heroic thing. It wasn't during ordinary times. He made a sacrifice.

Seeing Ilsa redeemed the love for him though. It wasn't a bitter memory anymore. His heart was healed by knowing the truth.

[Wilber_Stool]

4. I'm doing that right now.

Casablanca, To Have and Have Not, and Maltese Falcon. TCM.

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. Ah, To Have and Have Not - my favorite Bogart film!

Don't why it's my favorite, but it is. Something about the story, and the Bogart/Becall (or is that the other one? I can never keep 'em straight) energy. And beautifully shot.

Not technically as brilliant as Casablanca, and not even as compelling a story, really, but it's still my fave.

[kath]

9. yep,that's the film where Bogie and Bacall fell in love during the filming

[Rabrrrrrr]

10. They're simply SMOKIN' together in that one!

hot hot hot. And Becall was one of the hottest ever movie actresses. She wasn't Audrey Hepburn beautiful and posed a babalicious, but Becall was STEAMING.

[Wilber_Stool]

15. She was 19...n/t

[Rabrrrrrr]

17. So? She was HOT!

[moof]

13. not even as compelling a story, why you ungrateful miss cre ant

or however ya speel it.

Your both gonna take a beating till one of you talks which means one of you is going to take a beating for nothing.

Was you ever bit by a dead bee ?

Frenchy: Don't listen to her she's not her self.
Bogy, Really, who is she ?

and the super duper

You know how to whistle don't you ?

To Have and have Not is Number two right slam up against Casablanca here
and it is every bit as compelling a story.

As for Casablanca it's river city here as soon as Sam hands Rick the note at the Train Station.

What a fantastic pair of films.

Do you know the story behind " To Have and Have Not " ?

[Rabrrrrrr]

14. Lots of great lines, indeed!

That's why I love To Have and Have Not the most, and prefer it over Casablanca!

All I know about the story behind it is that it's a Hemingway story.

[moof]

18. Here's a decent rendition of the story about the piece of junk

The Big Idea Behind TO HAVE AND HAVE NOT

The tale associated with the origins of the film To Have and Have Not is a famous and oft-told one. On a particular fishing trip, producer / director Howard Hawks was trying to persuade his friend, Nobel Prize-winning novelist Ernest Hemingway, to come to Hollywood to try his hand at screenwriting. Hemingway balked, saying that much of his work was unfilmable. Hawks countered in a boast, saying that he could make a good film out of his worst novel. "What would that be?" asked Hemingway. "That bunch of junk To Have and Have Not" replied Hawks. The challenge was on, and Hawks hired Jules Furthman to adapt the novel. Clearly, Hawks felt that the tact to take in making a good film from a poor novel was to change it radically.

Hemingway had actually already sold the film rights to his book prior to Hawks's decision to make it, for $10,000 in 1939 to Howard Hughes. To proceed, Hawks needed those rights, so although he had connections to the Hughes Co., he paid $92,500 for the rights in October 1943. In a shrewd deal, Hawks turned and sold these rights to Warner Bros. for $92,500 plus one-forth of the gross receipts of the picture.

When To Have and Have Not was released, it enjoyed both a commercial and critical success, but a common complaint among the press and public alike was that Warner Bros. had tried to duplicate the success of the previous year's Casablanca (1942) with a similar story, setting and characters. In truth, the political motives and exotic setting were imposed on Hawks and Warner Bros. through wholly unexpected channels.

Hemingway's novel was set in Cuba and the Florida Keys in the 1930s and his Harry Morgan was a booze runner. Furthman's early drafts retained this setting. The Office of Inter-American Affairs raised an objection to the filming of the novel because of its depiction of deep corruption and violence in Cuba. Part of the Roosevelt administration's "Good Neighbor Policy" was to encourage positive cooperation among the American nations to discourage the infiltration of Axis influence. The Inter-American Affairs office carefully monitored popular culture, especially motion pictures, and encouraged upbeat depictions of cooperation such as the Disney picture The Three Caballeros (1944). Warners and Hawks were not about to cancel the film outright. By most accounts, it was William Faulkner who saved the picture by suggesting a shift to the Vichy-controlled island of Martinique, which was not only out of the influence of the Inter-American office, it also afforded the opportunity to add Gestapo-influenced villainy.

Hawks actually thrived on the sort of spontaneity in filmmaking that such changes demanded. Faulkner was his favorite script doctor, and he remained available in Hawks' office and occasionally on the set to finish polishing the script as filming began. At this point, Hawks shifted his attention to the personal relationships of the story over the politics and was able to capture the spontaneous on-screen chemistry between Bogart and Bacall as they fell in love during the making of the film.

by John Miller

[Rabrrrrrr]

21. Thanks, Moof!

Great story! I had no idea.

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. I only watch it drunk. Can't do it sober. Too sad.

[Goathead]

11. Have you seen the Bogart film 'The Desperate Hours'?

I swear it was filmed in the "Leave it to Beaver" house. It's like the anti-Leave it to Beaver.

[Bok_Tukalo]

12. No. I've never seen it.

Thanks.

[MrSandman]

16. Don't worry,

we'll always have Paris.:loveya:

[Bok_Tukalo]

19. Of course. The fuckin' idealist gets the girl

Propaganda. Bald propaganda.