True beauty comes from art.

[Longgrain]

Which is within.

Dontcha think?

[imenja]

1. yeah, I do think so

excellent point!

[Longgrain]

2. Check it out for yourself...

[imenja]

4. self delete

dupe

[imenja]

5. they are wonderful

and I'm not just saying that. Your paintings truly are beautiful.

[Longgrain]

8. Thank you. Maybe some day I'll have the time...

not to mention money, to do some more.

When I do, you can be sure I'll post them here.

[Ophelia Rising]

11. That piece is so intrigueing....

Every time I see it I notice something different about it.....like it morphs whenever I come back to the thread.

[Longgrain]

13. It's yours for 100 bucks.

To me, the temperamental artist...I find it blah.

[Ophelia Rising]

15. Sorry, my poor ass had to save 2 months just to buy a CD!

And you know, I feel like that about my own art all the time. I usually set it in a corner and come back to it a few days, weeks, sometimes months later, and I find I can usually come back to it and make something out of it.....I recently finished a painting I had set aside for 2 years and it ended up totally blowing me away.....but for me it was more about the process I went through....being an art therapist has totally changed the way I look at art....it's pretty amazing.

[Bok_Tukalo]

20. Outside looking in?

That's what I got.

[elshiva]

24. I like it. Like Cezanne!

[Ophelia Rising]

3. You know.......

I think that truth itself comes from art.

[imenja]

7. but truth is beauty

so it naturally follow that beauty comes from art.

[Ophelia Rising]

10. Hmmmmm......

I am somewhat tainted on this topic. As an art therapist, I have seen some amazingly truthful art that I really wouldn't discribe as beautiful initially......but in the end, the process of creating art and the subsequent healing is a beautiful thing.... for me, the truth that is in the art sometimes trumps the idea of art being about beauty.....when I really think about it though, it is all connected through the process.....if that makes sense.

[imenja]

18. depends on what you mean by beauty

We tend to judge beauty in terms of what we find pleasing to the eye. In that sense, truthful art is not necessarily beautiful, in that it may not be ascetically pleasing. But art that seems pleasing to the eye may not be truthful. Just as a man or woman that the dominant culture judges as beautiful may not be truthful or genuine in character. If we believe beauty comes from within, the place it comes from is the spirit, from truth. The same goes for art.

[Ophelia Rising]

22. I think you're right on!

And I do think, that all art holds within it truth in some form, even if that truth is that it is deceptive or superficial. I totally agree with you about the idea of beauty. I took a "Philosophy of Asthetics" class a few years ago that really helped me strengthen my awareness-there were several debates about the concept of beauty, and art having to be "beautiful" to be considered art or not.....it was often a semantic debate, but endlessly facinating nonetheless....it has often made me ask others for how they are defining things. Anyhoo, I totally get what you are saying-at least I think I do! :)

[imenja]

23. sounds like an interesting class

any readings you might recommend?

[Ophelia Rising]

28. It was!

I took it about 5 years ago in undergrad, so I can't remember all the specifics-we had a lot of handouts from the Prof, but I do know that our textbook was Philosophy of the Arts-An Introduction to Aesthetics by Gordon Graham cuz it's still on my bookshelf. It's a bit heady-but has a great compilation of many different prominent philosophers (Kant, Hume, Mill, etc.), different topics with-in art, you know, the basics. I learned the most from our class discussion (I went to a SMALL undergrad school and there were only 8 students in my class) I presented a lot on surrealism (the book Ways of Seeing by John Berger is great) and also the idea of conceptual art. My fave bumpersticker: "Think about honking if you love conceptual art!"

[SOteric]

6. Is Art your hair dresser?

:7

Just kidding.

This is sort of another take on that whole 'Art as a Process/Art as a Byproduct of a Process' debate, isn't it?

[Longgrain]

9. No just a useless copycat of a Progmom thread...

Besides, all art is free of charge and open to the public.

You just have to pay for...

1. Materials

2. Services

3. Delivery

4. Viewing

5. Anything I've forgotten.



:hi:

[kwassa]

12. Nah. The beauty in art comes from illuminating great truth.

which isn't always obvious, or obviously beautiful, either.

Good art is really about the observation and expression of truth.

[RagingInMiami]

14. I think half the battle for artists to make money is to be able to market

themselves. You clearly have the talent, LG, you just need to get your stuff out there. You should build a website. You should find galleries that will allow you to show your art.
There are tons of less talented artists out there doing all that and making money. Check out these links and there are many more links and books out there to teach you how to market yourself and sell your art.

http://1x.com/advisor/

http://www.artbusiness.com/sellonline2.html

http://www.zerooneart.co.uk/sell_art.asp

http://www.studioarts.net/artbiz/

[Longgrain]

16. Thanks Raging, but it's like trying to become a novelist

you got to have contacts, otherwise it's a joke.

I'm just a miscellaneous guy from nowhere...

I will however bookmark your links and check them out when I have time...

[RagingInMiami]

17. I'm currently building a business down here where I plan on selling

my photos and my articles. I have plenty of professional experience writing articles, but I've never been considered a professional photographer.
But I'm currently building a website and I plan on marketing myself and I know I will eventually make some money doing this.
The point is, you can't let that defeating attitude stop you from trying. I would imagine art collectors are looking for the undiscovered artist. But they're not going to come to you, you have to go to them.

[Longgrain]

21. YOU just gave me an awesome Idea!

Check out the Market Place this weekend.

[RagingInMiami]

25. Good, I hope you start making some money

[Longgrain]

26. Me too damn it! Me too!

Being an artist sucks!

[RagingInMiami]

27. Now don't forget what you're going to do cause rumor has it

That you're drunk off your ass. You should write your idea down.

[Bok_Tukalo]

19. I like angst in art

and truth and cut and here and now and a cultural mirror.