I think all the Tom Cruise 'acting' bashers need to watch Born on the 4th

[DS1]

of July, if not again, then at least once.

I'm tired of his acting skills being associated with his beliefs. First of all, he's not that bad of an actor. It might be trendy and DU'ey to gang up and say he is, but he's not that bad an actor.

Secondly, all this ganging up on person du jour is some fucking lame ass bullshit that any old lamer can join. If you've got a beef with his acting then fine, but the way "The lounge" as if it needed any less credibility, gangs up on today's flavor is so damn lame and ridiculous I'm surprised it hasn't been nuked as a forum in its entirety.


Thinking for yourself and questioning authority is one thing, ganging up on Tom Cruise is just fucking lame. It's easy to be selective, it's the Republican way.

[RagingInMiami]

1. He did great in that movie

But name one other movie he was in where he didn't play the same fucking role; the perpetual smiling all-American pretty boy.

[DS1]

2. Vanilla Sky

You asked.

[Cha]

9. That was trippy!

Pretty good acting, too..he had me convinced Cameron Diaz ruined his life.

[Zomby Woof]

17. Cameron Crowe's fine frame-for-frame remake

Of the Spansh film "Abra Los Ojos". :thumbsup:

[RagingInMiami]

26. I wasn't impressed with that movie

But that is a matter of opinion.

[noise626]

3. How about Magnolia?

That waas the first movie I ever saw him in that I actually liked him in. And he played an out and out prick in that one :D

pax
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[tarkus]

35. Yeah, I think that was a good role for him. Good movie too.

But the frog part was a bit much, I thought.

[MidwestMomma]

5. Collateral

He was creepy in that...

[DS1]

11. Stop that! Stop that! We're not allowed to acknowledge acting

when it comes to Tom Cruise. He's just a pretty boy, and don't you ever fucking forget it!

[MidwestMomma]

20. He was a pretty scary boy in that one alright

And I forgot to say I agree about Born on the 4th of July.

It's one of those great movies that a lot of people have never seen.

[Cha]

15. That's right and we all applauded

when Jamie Fox offed his hit man ass!

That's probably my favorite Tom Cruise movie..and Jamie got nominated for supporting actor.

[DS1]

18. Hey, thanks for the spoiler

:bounce:

[Zomby Woof]

22. And he was really a woman!

No wait... wrong spoiler!

[DS1]

41. Quid pro quo, Clarice

Quid, pro quo

[Zomby Woof]

8. He epitomized insecure adolescence in "Risky Business"

Any smiling he did in that film was offset by genuine teen angst.

[CanuckAmok]

10. I agree.

I don't dump on him for his beliefs. I dump on him because he has simply been 'phoning in' his performances for 20 years. The fact that he was so very good in "4th" is even more reason to criticise him; because he has proven himself to be capable of a great performance but just so seldom delivers one.

on edit: he was good in Magnolia and Interview with the Vampire, too... big deal, three movies out of 200+.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

21. Legend. nt

[Zomby Woof]

4. He is good in that film

He also befriended Ron Kovic, and got the word out about his experience after the war.

Me... I still have a soft spot for "Risky Business", which came out when I was 16. It holds up far better and smarter than any 80's teen sex comedy.

I think Scientology is unadulterated bullshit, but I am an actor, and I can evaluate the craft objectively.

[DS1]

7. Thanks for separating the two

It seems to be an uncommon ability 'round these parts, these parts of progressives...

Tom Cruise killed that girl in three, two, one...

[Amaya]

6. agreed!

[Left Is Write]

12. My only beef with Tom Cruise is his public comments

regarding Brooke Shields and her PPD treatment.

[RevolutionaryActs]

13. What if,

I don't think he is a good actor, or a bad actor. What if I don't care that he belongs to some crazy realigion. What if I just do not like him? As a person. How he talks, how he looks. Just don't like him.

Is that OK with you? :P

[DS1]

16. It's okay with me if you say why

Which is the point of this thread.

[RevolutionaryActs]

19. He just bugs me.

I don't know why.


I use to like some of his movies, but as I've gotten older, I just do not like the man. I don't really know why. :shrug:

[Lannes]

14. I can separate the man from the actor

Im a fan of his despite all the disturbing things I read about him.

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

23. This "phenomenon" is really complex...

...and I can't speak for other people, but here are a few thoughts:

Tom's comments RE: Brooke Shields. Very ill-advised, none of his fucking business. She slapped him back. He had it coming.

Tom's Scientology Soapbox. Hey, I'm a Christian, and I can't even count the Jesus threads I've seen in the year and a half on DU that go against everything I believe in. BUT...freedom of speech. Scientology is very, very controversial, and Cruise is very, very, vocal, which...for a public figure...is like painting a bulls-eye on your back.

I don;t care if he's straight, gay, bisexual, bi-curious, impotent, a hermaphrodite, or a eunuch. I could give a rat's ass about his sexuality, or the sexuality of any other human being for that matter. It's none of my business, and if I post a Tom Cruise thread, "it ain't 'cause I think he's gay." Who GIVES a fuck.

As an actor? "Cocktail" SUCKS. "The Firm" ROCKS. Everything else he's done falls at one end of the spectrum, or the other, or in between. I'm not bashing "The Actor Tom Cruise."

The "I'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO in love" / Oprah crap? Good for him. Hopefully, once he gets it out of his system, he'll STFU.

Maybe if he stepped back and kept his personal life personal for a while, people would stop bashing him. He lives in a bubble. He's grown accustomed to too many people kissing his ass. His former manager struck a balance between the "public" Cruise and the "private" Cruise. He fired her and hired his sister, and now he says whatever he wants whenever he wants, and guess what? Many of the people who hear what he has to say wish he would STFU, like the "old" Tom Cruise.

And here's a SERIOUS question. REALLY.

How do we KNOW...I mean REALLY, REALLY KNOW...that the guy who squirted him with the fake microphone wasn't on the Tom Cruise payroll? I don't mean to go tinfoil hat on this, but...

HOW...DO...WE...KNOW...that Cruise didn't orchestrate that little publicity stunt himself? Beyond the shadow of a doubt, WHY do we believe he was a "victim?"

:toast:

[Zuni]

I have never had a problem with some of his better films

like "Rain Man", he does fine in, even though Dustin Hoffman steals the show.

Born on the Fourth was good. He was even pretty good in "Collateral"

[Zuni]

24. I have never had a problem with some of his better films

like "Rain Man", he does fine in, even though Dustin Hoffman steals the show.

Born on the Fourth was good. He was even pretty good in "Collateral"

[XNASA]

25. Yes, but....the sequel to that., "Born on the 5th of July".............

...was a real turkey. You have to admit.

[Zomby Woof]

27. The real irony

Is Cruise was born on the 3rd of July, so you can bash the prequel.

[XNASA]

28. Ah ha!! So he wasn't really born on July 4.

What a phony.

[Elidor]

29. Yeah, good role. He's still an asshole.

[HeeBGBz]

30. I like "A Few Good Men"

I like more of his older movies than the more recent ones.

[GreenPartyVoter]

36. Hubby and i rewatch that every so often. recite the lines and everything

[Zuni]

38. but Nicholson was far better

just like Rain Man--cruise is in a good movie, but he himself isn't all that good. Jack stole Tom's thunder in FGM

[HeeBGBz]

40. Well, Jack is Jack

You can't get much better than he did in that part.

[Swede]

39. He held his own with some fine actors.

Kevin Bacon,Jack,Demi.

[Floogeldy]

31. I agree with your general sentiments

Most of the Tom Cruise threads I've read here would make Limbaugh and Hannity proud.

:mad:

[elshiva]

32. Don't worry I stopped bashing myself.

Never saw that movie, but I do not care for war movies. I have NOT seen Full Metal Jacket or Apocalypse Now either which I believe everyone when they say their great...

[Skittles]

33. Tom Cruise has always been a very mixed-bag to me

sometimes I think he is brilliant, sometimes I think he sucks. Very inconsistent, I suppose. Rain Man is my favorite and who can forget Risky Business? :)

[jpgray]

34. Whatever the Lounge is doing, I don't think Cruise has good chops

If I were listing my top 1,000 actors, he wouldn't even get near the honorable mentions.

[Blue_Tires]

37. agreed

i always thought it was a GREAT performance

[WindRavenX]

42. THANK YOU

God almighty, the Tom Cruise bashing crowd annoys the shit out of me.
Yes Scientology is a crock of shit.
Yes he's beautiful.
Doesn't make him a shitty actor.
I really like him...and I don't understand the hate :shrug:

[Floogeldy]

43. What took you so long?

B-)