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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 06:59 PM
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Question for the MEN on this board?
If a women couldn't have kids because of a surgery procedure that she had screwed her up would you still want her as a WIFE?
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Vespasian Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:00 PM
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1. Sure thing.
I hate kids. :D
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:02 PM
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4. LOL
The funny thing is my Mom was a twin and my cousin had 3 sets of twins.

I wanted kids real bad that's why I had the gastric bypass surgery but it messed me up.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:01 PM
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2. If I loved her? Absolutely
There's lots of adopted kids that need good homes!
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:01 PM
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3. Of course
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 07:03 PM by pmbryant
I don't want kids. :D

Fortunately, neither does the woman I am spending my life with.

:bounce:

EDIT: And even if I wanted kids, adoption is always an option, as Xithras pointed out.

--Peter
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:02 PM
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5. If you loved someone enough to marry them then you...
...ought to be able to under any circumstances. Even with the child bearing problems.

I couldn't imagine being so selfish.

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ZenLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:03 PM
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6. Well...
I never want to have kids, but I never want to be married again. But assuming I was looking for a wife, a woman who could not have children would be fine with me.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:03 PM
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7. Fertility is not a prerequisite
Kids are great, but not the determining factor.

Mutual attraction, love, etc. are the issue.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:03 PM
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8. Sure!
If I loved her? Yes. Absolutely 100% yes.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:03 PM
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9. If I loved her enough
then yes.
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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:58 PM
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48. and if you don't, you don't love her enough to marry her
nt
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NicFed Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:04 PM
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10. Silly Question
If the heart is involved, there is no doubt.
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:05 PM
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11. It makes no difference to me
if I loved her enough to marry her, I would not mind...
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hussar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:05 PM
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12. Definately
was married for 16 years and never had/wanted kids....now married again and have inherited 2
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Don_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:06 PM
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13. Absolutely
Marriage is about a lot more than having children.
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ProudGerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:07 PM
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14. I don't think fertility ever enters into the question for me
If it does, it's so far down the list that I don't even notice it. Of course, that could be because I take fertility for granted. But now that I think about it, infertility wouldn't bother me one bit.

Of course there will be that urge to procreate, but that can be fulfilled through adoption. I'd like to think of myself as one who doesn't actually have to had made the kid to be a fulfilled parent.
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:07 PM
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15. absolutely.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:08 PM
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16. Dump her like a hot biscuit
I kid, of course. Naturally I'd still want her as a wife... as has been said before, no lack of kids out there.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:08 PM
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17. If I loved her and she loved me = no doubt about it.
nm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:08 PM
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18. Yes
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:08 PM
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19. Dear Cora,
Any man that didn't want a woman as a wife simply because she could not have children does not deserve to be married. I'm not sure if you're speaking of your situation, but if he is so selfish, that he MUST pass on his genetic material to another even more over-crowded generation then you're better off without him. I understand wanting to have children but I can't understand a guy not wanting someone just because she can't bear his child.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:01 PM
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59. I think that the issue harkens back to our genetic ancestry. Pre-eminent
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 10:03 PM by radwriter0555
in our genetic code is the urge, need, will to propegate. By and large men's urges surround the NEED to propegate or in the very least, to make a big show of it.

I can't have any more kids. I have one, and had several subsequent miscarriages. I stopped dating one fellow because I knew that we shouldn't get too involved; we're still friends, and I knew that he was really really interested in having kids. I didn't think it was fair to keep him from accomplishing that. I was right in my decision. He got married last summer and they're trying to get preggers. I'm glad I didn't hold him back.

So..... I don't date younger guys, because it isn't fair to THEM. I just don't WANT anymore kids these days unless I'm filthy rich and can have a nanny for when I want to be selfish and have time for myself.

I can't stand most older fellas, all wrinkley and saggy and hair starting to grow from odd orifices...

And chicks don't turn me on.

So, I don't date, since I can't really have what I want, which is the younger, hot stud dudes, and don't want to be unfair to fellas who could/should otherwise follow the need to propegate. Because ultimately, he would leave to do so, no matter how strong the wish not to... I don't want to get dumped, and pre-empt it by not getting involved at all.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:09 PM
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20. ?????
ah,yes..
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:10 PM
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21. I would indeed
putting aside the fact that I'm not crazy about having kids in the first place, even if I was dying to have them, I wouldn't "value" my wife based upon her ability to have kids...
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:10 PM
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22. yes
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:11 PM
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23. Honestly. I wouldn't marry if not to procreate.
But that's just me. I understand how people could feel either way about it.

If after marrying, I found out that we couldn't have kids........I'd have to think long and hard about it.

Fortunately for us, that's not the case.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:12 PM
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24. My husband says "Absolutely"
:hi:
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:15 PM
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25. Hell, yes
Offspring is just one of many, many things that a partner provides. Doesn't even enter my mind.
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:16 PM
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26. Duh, of course...
who still thinks marriage is just about procreation?
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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:17 PM
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29. Republicans, conservatives, fundies...
that's about it though...
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:16 PM
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27. sure.
.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:17 PM
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28. Yeah
There's always adoption.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:17 PM
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30. Yes I would
Kids don't make the world go round.

My wife and I don't have kids. I am the steril one and for more reasons than one I am glad of it.

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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:18 PM
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31. no kids, thanks
i'm over 40, last thing i want in life is squalling brats! :)
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:18 PM
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32. Sure.
I don't see a problem with that.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:18 PM
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33. Not an issue
and if it was, would you want that guy for a husband?
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xJlM Donating Member (955 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:20 PM
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34. I don't want any kids
Not that I don't like kids, but I just don't believe it would be the right thing for me to bring a child into this world. So for me, the question would be more like "Do you care for this person enough to make a lifetime commitment to her?"

Marriage is another story. There is nothing in the posession of living beings on this earth that we cannot screw up with laws. And what do they do with the old laws? Most of them are still around, in some dusty book somewhere, waiting to be taken out and subverted by crooked shysters and repugs.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:23 PM
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35. I'm done with kids. I'd consider it a HUGE PLUS.
My second wife couldn't have any more kids (thank Random Chance for THAT! no TIES!)
And I've been with women who weren't fertile. so they're "sports models" Big Deal.

Geez, this isn't the 1880's, you know, I don't think men pick women based on how many "farmhands" they think they're capable of popping out anymore...

Well, those "Be Fruitful" Promise-Keepers might....
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Scott Lee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:26 PM
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36. Why not?
There are alternatives for having children, you know.


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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:26 PM
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37. Hell yeah sure, so long as her personality was okay
and I liked her!

Who cares about kids? Any guy who would pass up a good mate bcuase she couldn't have kids is a sicko suckwad.

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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:28 PM
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38. Not a problem whatsoever.
If we decided to have a kid or two, and she was unable, adoption is always an option. I stressed the word "we" because I'd love a son or a daughter, but I don't feel like my life would be incomplete without a child.

Being unable to physically have a kid is not a deal-breaker. I feel sorry for the folks who think it is.
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Character Assassin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:34 PM
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39. Of course. Duh.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:37 PM
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40. Yep.
I don't have a partner anymore. When I did she couldn't have children, and that was fine with me. If the opportunity to partner again arose the ability to have children wouldn't even be a consideration.

-
Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:39 PM
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41. My Dads brother left his first wife because she couldn't have kids
The whole family looked down on him after that.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:39 PM
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42. yeah why not
Love is love.... I'dbe willing to sacrifice my own offspring if I loved the girl enough...you can always adopt. And there ARE many children that need a good home, so why bring another in?
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:47 PM
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43. That's my married life to a tee.
My wife had her tubes tied back when she was still with her first husband. One caveat she offered before we got married was that we would not have kids of our own. Fine by me. I wasn't going to give her up for the sake of someone who hasn't even been born.
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jokerman93 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:47 PM
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44. Of course
I love the woman, not her reproductive system!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:51 PM
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45. Isn't there AT LEAST ONE prick on this board that it would matter to?
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 07:51 PM by HEyHEY
It's to damn nice around here....I'm going to the garden to eat worms. x(
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corarose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:59 PM
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49. Big Fat juicy ones or Little teeny weenie ones?
:kick:
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MojoKrunch Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:52 PM
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46. Relationships are about love.
You can get kids from anywhere.

Really, I've got one for sale.
Offer me anything.

Sorry to hear about your surgery mishap.
I hope there was an insurance payout.

Mojo
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 07:53 PM
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47. As a women here, amongst all you AWESOME men...
...and after reading all your posts, its refreshing to hear that you would put your love for her first. I think a lot of the anxiety surrounding procreation lies with the women. I guess some of us have "maternal impulses" ingrained in our biology that we can't ignore. I have an idea for the counter question to this topic...
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:07 PM
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50. answering as a man whose vasectomy has a 25 yr proven track record...
...yes.
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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:20 PM
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51. Why do guys like to get vasectomies?
Edited on Mon Nov-03-03 08:21 PM by 4323Lopez
Aside from obviously not wanting childen, is it so he can be free to be promiscuous, or that he doesn't want a women to change his mind about having children? It seems like such a drastic, extreme thing to do!
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:32 PM
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57. I would assume most men get vasectomies
once they are happily married and have children. That was true in my case. It is a simple procedure that takes about 15 minutes and in my opinion is preferrable to birth control pills or for a woman to have her tubes tied.
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Stone Cold Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:26 PM
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52. hell yeah....
...I don't want to bring kids into this awful world.
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youngred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:33 PM
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53. Yes
I'd be dissapointed, but the reason she's my (hypothetical) wife is because I love her, not whether or not she can have "my" kids
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:37 PM
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54. Of course
I'm not a kid kinda guy anyway. I don't ever want any.
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kodi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 08:54 PM
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55. tough question, do i want a wife or a uterus?
duh
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:03 PM
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56. Of course... silly question. Whassamatter with you?
Love is love.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 09:59 PM
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58. Sure!
Ability to breed is not a prerequisite for marriage for me.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:47 PM
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60. YES!
.
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-03-03 10:55 PM
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61. of course
Then again, it's a no-brainer for me - we can't conceive because of infertility on my end, and she hasn't gone anywhere. :)
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:03 AM
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62. Yes
If she was someone I was considering marrying in the first place, that condition would change nothing.
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DEM FAN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:20 AM
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63. HELL YEAH.
Of Course I Would. :-)
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:33 AM
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64. In short, yes.
If the man wants a family, adoption is always a possibility, or surrogate mother, if he feels the child must be genetically his.

Or, he may be divorced with kids, and not want any more.

Or, although he wants to get married, kids are not his thing, and he knows it.
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Leftist78 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:45 AM
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65. It wouldn't bother me
If you love someone then I don't really see why it would be an issue.
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Westegg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 12:48 AM
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66. good question
Yeah. Hmm...Good question. I dunno. What are the hours?
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:28 AM
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67. of course, silly
My sweetie-pie is my sweetie-pie for keeps. My notions of love aren't surgery-dependent. I bet yours aren't either.
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onebigbadwulf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 06:48 AM
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68. I would only
marry a woman who couldn't have kids.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 09:41 AM
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69. Yeah
Next question please.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-04-03 10:05 AM
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70. No.
Fertility is important to me.
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