So who here DOESN'T agree with Dean's comments?

[Closer]

A quick preface, this *excludes* all of you here (and there are many) who will answer this question out of mere spite and jealousy of Dean even if you know that his comments were harmless - you know who you are, and you can imagine what I and others here think of you. It ain't pretty.


But those here who are more balanced (both mentally and ideologically) do you NOT agree with Dean that the Democrats have ceded the South and southern whites to the Republicans? And moreover, that whether we like, and or agree with, "guys who drive pickup trucks with rebel flags" that we need their votes too? How is he off base? How in GOD's name is he OFF BASE? Moreover, how is specifically saying "white men who drive pick up trucks with confederate flags" a representation of all southerners? Did you think of all southerners when he said that? Because I certainly didn't. When he said that, you know what I thought of? I thought of white southern men who drive pickup trucks with the rebel flag stickers. That's who I thought of. *Gasp* And yes, while I certainly don't agree with their sticker choice, I most certainly would urge them to vote Democratic and NOT Republican, because guess what, THEIR children don't have health insurance either. They're losing their jobs, too. Their sons and daughters are being slaughtered in Iraq, too. What has voting Republican for 30 years done for them?

So again, tell me and others here, how Dean was even SLIGHTLY off base? Please, I really wanna hear what you come up with. Humor me.

To those of you here (mentioned at the top) who are having a field day with this virtual gang bang (call it a flag flog) on Dean merely because you support another candidate and hope that this will be the one thing that brings Dean down (makes him "implode" as Kerry would mutter), I say two things to you: 1) you AND your candidate of choice are pathetic for having to rely on such a frivolous comment of DEAN'S to boost YOUR candidate and 2) you are DEAD wrong if you think this will have a negative impact on Dean's candidacy. Watch his numbers soar from this extended publicity. Just watch.


And know this: Voters don't like bullies. Voters don't like opportunists. Voters don't like sleezy political games. Voters don't like personal attacks.


Oh, and yes, one last thing: Dean WILL still get the SEIU endorsement. Afterall, isn't that what this is all about?


You bet it is!

[WilliamPitt]

1. I think Dean eats kittens

That bastard.

[Closer]

2. Ok, cute

:eyes:

Now to the others here with real responses.

I'd like to hear.

[WilliamPitt]

10. That cat's breath smells like cat food.

[JVS]

6. Yum

[Blue-Jay]

15. He sucks their marrow to gain occult powers.

His phrasing of the "pickup truck" quote was stupid and rash. I think I know what point he was trying to make, but he did it poorly. His brashness has been his allure to many of us, but it may also be his downfall in the coming months.

I don't think he's in any way a bigot, but he needs to be more careful before he shoots his mouth off. People notice. People that may be able to help his campaign.

[Vespasian]

3. I have it on good authority that he's Satan incarnate.

Don't think so? Prove me wrong.

:P

[DebJ]

7. That's GW's title!

[SOteric]

4. My Yak wears Dean's thongs.

[WilliamPitt]

9. My thong wears Dean's yak

How long do you think it will take to make Closer completely insane? Or better yet, how long will it take Closer to realize he'll never get a straight answer in the Lounge?

I'm betting 13 posts for either/or.

[SOteric]

32. 13 Thongs?!!!

Why...that's enough for a Broadway Muthical!

[PDittie]

37. I'll take the under for five thousand, Alex

[Catch22Dem]

5. I don't

I think the message is right, but the delivery is all wrong. The message is getting lost by Dean's extremely poor choice of words. One of the guys on NPR this afternoon commented Dean would have been better off using "Dale Junior decals" instead. It would have conveyed the same message, and would have avoided all the shit.

[metisnation]

39. exist

to insinuate that a large percentage of these people don't exist in the south is ludacris wake up people. The comment may have been in poor taste, but all the guy is doing is trying to get GWB out of office.

[Catch22Dem]

48. Why's this directed at me?

I said I agree with what he was trying to say. He just made a mistake in the way he worded it though.

[joeybee12]

8. Dean's comment==Hilary's comment on chocolate chip cookies

Each was taken out of context, and reflects more of those lazy sacks of s**t in the media, and those 8 twits in Boston the other night--a non-issue has become an issue.

Dean is only guilty of not realizing that the sharks are circling, and the media are whores.

[Westegg]

34. So if he doesn't realize that now...

So if he doesn't realize that now, how the hell can he do the, you know, "President thing"? It's too close to the primaries to be wondering if Dean "gets" the media. I expect he'll learn from his mistakes, despite apologists who don't get why he needs to.

[joeybee12]

42. Still, it reflects more on them than on him...

...also, I forget whose blog posted that Dean made the exact same comment several months ago, no flap.

It's because those other 8 wanna-be's have decided to distort his words.

God, I really wanna register as a Green these days. Dems are just too damn embarrassing, and are destined to be the minority party for a long time to come.

[JVS]

11. I've been conducting an experiment lately about this.

No conclusive results yet.

[DebJ]

a representation of all southerners?

Did anyone really present his comment that way? They forgot the oil cartels in Texas?

Moreover, how is specifically saying "white men who drive pick up trucks with confederate flags" a representation of all southerners?

[Closer]

12. See

this is the perfect example of why this should have stayed in General Discussion and NOT been locked. The level of maturity in the lounge speaks for itself.

[JVS]

14. Don't knock the lounge.

We'll take it seriously when we feel ready to do so.

[WilliamPitt]

18. The level of maturity in my bum bum speaks for itself, too

Hee, I said bum bum.

[JVS]

19. Quit being such a poo poo farter!

:-)

[WilliamPitt]

20. Don't say bad things about my bum bum

[SOteric]

31. Heh Heh... you said 'bum bum'

[Closer]

25. I'm ashamed I ever bought your book

[WilliamPitt]

28. I'm ashamed I ever told you about my bum bum

[_NorCal_D_]

33. Don't be such a big meanie!

B-)

[WilliamPitt]

36. And there I was arguing for him down in Ask the Admins

and he's mean to my bum bum.

[MaineDem]

13. I've tried to be open-minded but...

There's just something about Dean I can't buy. I don't know what it is but I just don't like him.

I'm not saying this to be negative or to flame you for your post. It actually bugs me that I can't pinpoint just what it is I don't like.

:shrug:

[slinkerwink]

16. It must be his thick neck

;-) Just kidding as a Dean supporter.

[mlawson]

17. White men who drive trucks with flags, etc., rarely vote!!!

So who cares what they think?

Actually, they rarely exist. I suppose I have seen maybe two or three of them in the last decade! Most people in the South manage to look just like anyone else! :o

[DebJ]

21. I"ve seen many in Maryland where I lived for 47 years

and they do vote for anything NRA. Although Maryland is more technically than socially to the south of the Mason-Dixon line, lots of residents there are transplants from farther south.

[toddzilla]

23. shouldn't this be in GD...

don't bring this crap in here.

[Deja Q]

26. I second that!

Mods!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

[Closer]

27. I tried to

and a wonderful moderator locked it.

[WilliamPitt]

It was

They locked it and threw it in here. Me 'n Closer would be having a deep and penetrating conversation on this matter. But since it's in the Lounge, I feel compelled to act like a jackass.

bum bum.

[mmonk]

22. stereotyping

and a devisive symbol. What stereotype would you like to be thought of in terms of?

[Vespasian]

24. I want to be the candidate for

necrophiliacs, because they need health care just like anyone else.

:D

[MrSoundAndVision]

29. Okay here you go

I'll say it outright so you can put your ignore sunglasses on: Dennis Kucinich deserves this presidency, and even your vote, but I no he won't get it, you don't seem to be the listener type. Anyway.

What Dean said was stupid, and probably not condoned by his speech coach. It was probably him coming out and feeling like he could say something unscripted and not come off as an insensitive frat guy. So, he's not racist, he just got off his leash.

As a southerner, I know the type of person he was talking about. In KY at least, it is a symbol of nothin's-gonna-change-my-attitude racism. They don't just have stickers, they have the whole flag over the back window, or they have the flag on a poll sticking up out of the back, I'm absolutely serious. And there trucks are really loud, they have these glass mufflers, which when they REV really quick they sound like small explosives (much louder than a firecracker). And if you have long hair and you're a guy they yell: QUEER! And all they do is drive around all night every night, just making circles on the main streets of small towns, turning around in Wendy's parking lots. They litter. They dump whole cups of tobacco chew spit in the parking lots, so you step on this pile of nasty ****. They fight a lot. These people don't vote, and if they did they would vote for Boss Hog. But that's not the point, the point is, Dean doesn't know anything about these people, and Edwards knew that, and it annoyed him. Like Dean is some sort of sociologist/politician or something.

Religion is very important in the south. Religious southerners vote the way their pastors tell them. The Republicans win the rich southern old money vote hands down. Poor Southerners who are religious vote Republican because of they play the religion card. Guys in trucks with rebel flags don't vote in the presidential elections (much).

[vi5]

30. I agree with what he said, but many of his supporters...

Are being very duplicitous on the matter. If Al From or Terri McAullife or anyone from the DLC/DNC had said something about needing to make overtures to white southerners, many (not all but many) Dean supporters would be having a total shitfit over it and that's what I find hypocritical. Personally while I think he could have chosen his words better, I do agree with the sentiment he expressed 100%. However I also agreed with it when the DLC/DNC issued that memo about needing to appeal to Nascar Dad's a month or so ago that everyone got in a snit over.

You can split hairs all you want and justify it with whatever Bush-esque parsing of words you can come up with. But the fact is I agree with what Dean said and I agreed with what the DLC/DNC said. However there are too many on here who are not going to be honest about their reaction to the one versus their reaction to the former.

[_NorCal_D_]

35. I apologize.

I am a partisan hack, thus I cannot answer your question.
B-)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. Do they serve Kool Aid at the meet-ups? I only join religions that serve

refreshments.

we need those guys with the nazi symbols on their truck windows too. Skin head's kids need health care and talking about care fucking A these people need dental care worse than anything!

[Vespasian]

41. Silence, wench!

Dean can do no wrong! Your every thought is invalidated by your blatant hideous ungodly partisanship!

PS: Whichever candidate you support will lose.

PPS: ...unless we support the same person.

:P

[Padraig18]

44. Who are you calling a wench, you unprincipled slug?

Your candidate steals toilet paper from filling station bathrooms!

:P

[Vespasian]

45. At least my candidate

uses toilet paper, you backwoods simpleton!

The only thing more revolting than your candidate's policies is the stench cloud that follows them wherever they go!

:7

[Padraig18]

46. Well, at least that stench cloud...

... keeps the hordes of blue bottle flies that follow YOUR candidate from annoying me, so THERE! :P

[Vespasian]

47. Uncle! Uncle!!

You just turned my world upside down! I bow before your superior debating skills, and give my full support to your candidate.

So, uh... who are you voting for, anyway?

:crazy:

[JVS]

40. I don't see what the big deal is.

People keep clamoring about getting the South back, but then when someone makes a move toward trying to do that these people go ape. It's sad really.

[curse10]

43. I'm guess I'm "pathetic"

so I won't even bother to answer :eyes:

[Zomby Woof]

49. Dean gives Pookie gas

And NO ONE should ever give my cute big toe gas. :hurts:

[proud patriot]

50. I'm locking this thread

this is not a lounge discussion and I'd move it
to GD but it was already locked there .
Admin will address your question in the ask
the Admin forum ASAP .

proud patriot
DU Moderator