Thug Life

[Paragon]

[iluvchicago86]

1. I LOVE THAT GUY!

His music is mind blowing. Truly one of a kind. I can't wait until Tupac Resurrected comes out.

[leftist_rebel1569]

2. I hear this rumor he died...

but he keeps releasing CD after CD....hmm....

[iluvchicago86]

3. He has

tons of unfinished work. It's so depressing that the world lost such a fantastic poet at such a young age.

[SmileyBoy]

4. *Sigh*... I miss ya Tupac.

You were the last great musician in Rap (NOT "hip-hop").

[everythingsxen]

5. ROFL

Hey look! A guy who sold his culture down the river for a quick buck and helped at least 2 generations decide that popping caps in peoples asses was better than working.

Way 2 go 2 pac. U rule!

I'm so happy he's dead. If every other gangsta rapper who advocates murder, rape and theft were dead too, along with every politico who denounces the above while secretly commiting them, were all drug out into the street and doused in gasoline and set on fire, I think the world would be a better place.

Bitter? Yes.
Jaded? Yes.
Warmed by the thought of a giant pile of scum burning? Yes.

ON EDIT: Ok, that was a bit over the top, I'm not erasing it, but it was definately a little too much. :evilgrin:

[Paragon]

6. Wow

What is in the water in Florida?

[everythingsxen]

7. Evil

Pure 100% Florida Evil. LOL

I'm just in a half-psychotic mood.

[Paragon]

8. Yeah, you and somebody else on here...

Not naming names, of course. ;-)

[everythingsxen]

12. LOL

Oh of course. ;-)

Seriously though. I really do feel 2pac and every other rapper who goes for the thug image is a traitor to his culture and simply help feed negative stereotypes. They try to say they are just talking about life on the streets, but thats a load of crap. Maybe in the beginning. Now though, they damn well know that little kids are listening to that crap and they want to emulate their "heroes" by robbing and killing.

[prolesunited]

10. Damn!

If that's half psychotic, I would hate to see full-on psychotic. :scared:

[markses]

11. What, Mass Murder and Piles of Burning Corpses Gotcha Down?

It's just "justice" after all! :eyes:

[prolesunited]

16. Yeah, right!

Let's take care of those singing about murder and street life and douse them with gas and set them ablaze. That makes perfect sense, doesn't it? :silly:

[everythingsxen]

18. Well..

I would have made a list of everyone who should be dragged into the street and torched, but I don't think I have that much time. :evilgrin:

A brief list would be:

Politicians; specifically those who abuse their offices and betray the trust of those they represent.

Musicians (and movie stars/directors) who advocate and glorify rape, murder and theft in their music. You can say it doesn't hurt anyone, I say the crime rate has gone up in the last 10 years very significantly. Granted thats basically due to a total breakdown of our morality and sense of responsibility. I'm sure music about how awesome it is to do drugs and kill cops has no effect at all. :eyes:

Criminals themselves. At the very least murderers and rapists. Thieves are a close second, but I couldn't just kill them all, some of them are stealing to feed their family or for some other reason that might not be worth their death.

Hope thats clear enough. It's not just musicians and movie stars. It's not just politicians. It's not just criminals. It's all of the above with a smattering of a lot of others. Some people really are scum. Not everyone, but some. I know a lot of people here do not advocate the death penalty, however, I do. Sometimes a dog is just rabid and has to be put down.

[VermontDem2004]

48. Incorrect

If you look at the crime rates during Clinton's years they went down every year he was in offense, they started going up ever since Bush took office, is there a connection? I think so, but when "Gangsta rap" was at it's height was in the mid 90's while crime was going down.

[everythingsxen]

54. Interesting.

Since gangsta rap became popular, how much has the use of the words "bitch" and "ho" increased? I mean this is a progressive board, one where, I had assumed in my year+ here, that does advocate womens rights and empowerment yes? Or are women nothing more than fuck-toys to be thrown away when you are done with them?

Since you all love Pac so much, I guess it's the latter. Since thats how he seems to have felt.

Sorry kids, it just don't wash. Either you believe that human life is valuable and all people are equal or you believe that if you have a rough time growing up you should kill, steal and rape to show the world what an artist you are.

[VermontDem2004]

59. I can show you over 50 songs

Where he speaks very positive of women as well as negative, I am not some huge fan of him but I listened to alot of his songs and read alot of his poems to have an idea of who he is.

here

here

here

here

here

here

here

here

I can probaly list about 80 more but I have no need to debate this, only Tupac himself can defend himself on who he is not me.

[prolesunited]

49. I don't even no where to begin on this one

I find this statement — "Sometimes a dog is just rabid and has to be put down." — and the attitude you have displayed here quite disturbing.

You actually advocate death for people who express thoughts you disagree with in their music. Death for thieves, just not the ones you deem worthy. And not just humane death, but torching them in the streets. Would everyone be allowed to watch the flaming spectacle of people being burned alive? Oh, I forgot, they're no longer human, just rabid dogs.

And you're so much better than these people how? Perhaps you would feel more at home in a country like Saudi Arabia who could fill a library with tales of human rights abuses.

[everythingsxen]

52. Well..

You obviously missed the part where I said I would not want thieves killed, because they might be stealing to support their family or some other cause that does not deserve death.

Do I think rapists and murderers and people who make money and glorify those crimes are the slime of the earth and should be killed? Yes.

To be quite honest, no I wouldn't actually want them set on fire and burned alive. Even though thats what they deserve. Part of justice is making those who do evil feel some measure of what they inflict on their victims. Being burned alive is about as close as one can come to Hell. I just like to ensure they get their punishment.

However we are "civilized" people now.

We shouldn't kill rapists and murderers. They are just sick and misunderstood right? They need "help". They are just poor victims of society. Cry me a fucking river. :nopity:

Understanding and compassion are wonderful qualities. Qualities I strive everyday to nurture in myself. However idiocy like this drives me batty. You people hold Tupac up like hes a saint or some amazing genius. Why because he can make tek-9 rhyme? Because he can advocate women being treated like whores? Because he can use shit, fuck and bitch at least 10 times in the span of a few seconds.

Well I guess I have you guys all wrong. So you hold Eminem up as one of the greatest paragons of music of our time then right? Afterall he goes to even further extremes. So that makes him just as sainted as Tupac right?

[DrWeird]

53. Funny how you hold Tupac as a violent criminal.

Given that he showed a lot more compassion in his rap then you do in these posts.

[everythingsxen]

55. Damn, that is hilarious.

Thats one of the funniest posts I've read all day.

Could you show me his "compassion"?

Is it the part where he says that women should be fucked and thrown away? Or where he says that he's going to use smg's to spray his enemies down?

[DrWeird]

57. Well if you get all the lyrics from Stormfront maybe it's a bit biased.

Shit, tired of gettin shot at
Tired of gettin chased by the police and arrested
Niggaz need a spot where WE can kick it
A spot where WE belong, that's just for us
Niggaz ain't gotta get all dressed up and be Hollywood
Y'knahmean? Where do niggaz go when we die?
Ain't no heaven for a thug nigga
That's why we go to thug mansion
That's the only place where thugs get in free and you gotta be a G
... at thug mansion


A place to spend my quiet nights, time to unwind
So much pressure in this life of mine, I cry at times
I once contemplated suicide, and woulda tried
But when I held that 9, all I could see was my momma's eyes
No one knows my struggle, they only see the trouble
Not knowin it's hard to carry on when no one loves you
Picture me inside the misery of poverty
No man alive has ever witnessed struggles I survived
Prayin hard for better days, promise to hold on
Me and my dawgs ain't have a choice but to roll on
We found a family spot to kick it
Where we can drink liquor and no one bickers over trick shit
A spot where we can smoke in peace, and even though we G's
We still visualize places, that we can roll in peace
And in my mind's eye I see this place, the players go in fast
I got a spot for us all, so we can ball, at thug's mansion


Every corner, every city
There's a place where life's a little easy
Little Hennessy, laid back and cool
Every hour, cause it's all good
Leave all the stress from the world outside
Every wrong done will be alright (I wanna go)
Nothin but peace (I wanna go) love (I wanna go nigga)
And street passion, every ghetto needs a thug mansion


A place where death doesn't reside, just thugs who collide
Not to start beef but spark trees, no cops rollin by
No policemen, no homicide, no chalk on the streets
No reason, for nobody's momma to cry
See I'm a good guy, I'm tryin to stick around for my daughter
But if I should die, I know all of my albums support her
This whole year's been crazy, asked the Holy Spirit to save me
Only difference from me and Ossie Davis, gray hair maybe
Cause I feel like my eyes saw too much sufferin
I'm just twenty-some-odd years, I done lost my mother
And I cried tears of joy, I know she smiles on her boy
I dream of you more, my love goes to Afeni Shakur
Cause like Ann Jones, she raised a ghetto king in a war
And just for that alone she shouldn't feel no pain no more
Cause one day we'll all be together, sippin heavnly champagne
What angels saw, with golden wings in thug's mansion




Dear momma don't cry, your baby boy's doin good
Tell the homies I'm in heaven and they ain't got hoods
Seen a show with Marvin Gaye last night, it had me shook
Drippin peppermint Schnapps, with Jackie Wilson, and Sam Cooke
Then some lady named Billie Holiday
Sang sittin there kickin it with Malcolm, 'til the day came
Little LaTasha sho' grown
Tell the lady in the liquor that she's forgiven, so come home
Maybe in time you'll understand only God can save us
When Miles Davis cuttin lose with the band
Just think of all the people that you knew in the past
that passed on, they in heaven, found peace at last
Picture a place that they exist, together
There has to be a place better than this, in heaven
So right before I sleep, dear God, what I'm askin
Remember this face, save me a place, in thug's mansion

[VermontDem2004]

56. I disagree

Do I think rapists and murderers and people who make money and glorify those crimes are the slime of the earth and should be killed? Yes.
I am against the death penalty and who are to choose who deserves to die and who deserves to live? Are you god?

To be quite honest, no I wouldn't actually want them set on fire and burned alive. Even though thats what they deserve. Part of justice is making those who do evil feel some measure of what they inflict on their victims. Being burned alive is about as close as one can come to Hell. I just like to ensure they get their punishment.

Same thing I said, who are you to choose who deserves to live and who deserves to die?

We shouldn't kill rapists and murderers. They are just sick and misunderstood right? They need "help". They are just poor victims of society. Cry me a fucking river. :nopity:
I didn't say that but I think serving the rest of your life in prison for murder is a much larger punishment then letting someone off the hook with the lethal injection.

But I didn't know Tupac was murderer, I guess I was wrong. No one is making him out to be some saint, I personally think no one is perfect and Tupac would probaly be the first one to admit he is perfect. But I can find over 100 positive poems and songs as well as negative songs, but like most people they have negative thoughts as well as positive thoughts. You do not like him because he talks about murder in many of his songs but yet you talked about tourching his house or others house with gasoline. By that standard you are no worse then he is.

[iluvchicago86]

9. Wow

Your propensity for capturing the essence of the greatest urban poet in the history of Rap is amazing. Let's all blame the inner city problems on the lyrics(which consistently advocate bustin caps in people asses...) in one artist's career.

[markses]

13. I hope you're not suggesting that society is complicated!

Prepare for the self-righteous know-nothing vitriol of a thousand "common sensers"....;-)

[everythingsxen]

15. Excuse me?

Did I photoshop that picture of Tupac?

Did Tupac intentionally pose for that picture?

Did Tupac pose for a lot more just like it?

Do you think children who look up to him understand that he is just a "poor misunderstood urban poet" with a .45 in his shorts?

Did I say ALL inner city problems were caused by lyrics?

Truthfully, no more of the blame should go to N.W.A. than just Tupac. However, he certainly capitalized on the image.

[MSchreader]

28. Excuse me for saying so, but...

Fuck you.

I knew Tupac. I am still friends with his former babysitter and some of his mother's former comrades in the Black Panthers. Your message only shows your ignorance of what he believed and wanted.

Tupac was a revolutionary, not some "gangsta hip-pop" artiste. One of the reasons he was killed was because he was beginning to work on a new project that, if it had been carried out, would have changed the course of history. (No, he was not killed in some rap rivalry.)

Your desire to see brothers and comrades like Tupac Amaru Shakur killed betrays more than your disgust at the distorted remnants of Black culture.

Angry? Yes.
Disgusted? Definitely.
Thinking this is little more than crass "liberal racism"? You betcha!

Martin

[everythingsxen]

43. Wow I'm sorry...

I totally missed your post! Sorry for the slow reply, I missed it.. but hey I can shred it now.

I knew Tupac. I am still friends with his former babysitter and some of his mother's former comrades in the Black Panthers. Your message only shows your ignorance of what he believed and wanted.

Tupac was a revolutionary, not some "gangsta hip-pop" artiste. One of the reasons he was killed was because he was beginning to work on a new project that, if it had been carried out, would have changed the course of history. (No, he was not killed in some rap rivalry.)

I see. So I totally misunderstood the message of song after song where he talks about murdering his enemies. Please enlighten me as to what his real message was.

Would have changed the course of history? Wow, what was this big project? To arm as many kids as he could and lead them on the bloody slaughter of his enemies?

Your desire to see brothers and comrades like Tupac Amaru Shakur killed betrays more than your disgust at the distorted remnants of Black culture.

You'd think so, but no. I do however feel disgust for people who sing praises about murder and robbery. Maybe thats just my opinion. I mean if you enjoy being robbed, beaten and/or shot, more power to you.

[MSchreader]

44. New Black Panthers

I see. So I totally misunderstood the message of song after song where he talks about murdering his enemies. Please enlighten me as to what his real message was.

His music is one thing -- in fact, something we argued about a lot. Read some of the interviews he gave to political and alternative publications like Covert Action Quarterly.

Would have changed the course of history? Wow, what was this big project? To arm as many kids as he could and lead them on the bloody slaughter of his enemies?

No, you cynical ass. Tupac had been in discussions with former Panthers, and selected people from the left (like me), about building a new kind of Black Panther Party. But this new party would be one for Black and white working class kids. He was intending to use the following he had from his music career to bring them into radical-left politics.

But, he was killed shortly after beginning the project, and the idea died with him.

Martin

[AlienGirl]

45. Dude...

Will you cut it out with the gol-danged flamethrowers already? Dang, I'm starting to think I need a fire extinguisher at the ready!

Tucker

[DrWeird]

51. And you're what, a BUSH fan?

Talk about performers who need to be killed.

[markses]

14. Easy now...

You don't want any jumpy folks blastin' they computer screen now...

[rumguy]

17. pac

"it's time to fight back that's what huey said,
two shots in the dark now huey's dead"

"I'd love to go back to when we played as kids,
but thing's change that's just the way it is"

"take the evil out the people they be acting right,
cuz both black and white are smoking crack tonite"

"can't a brother get a little peace,
there's wars in the street and a war in the middle east"

- Changes -

[everythingsxen]

19. AHAHA

See everyone always carts out "Changes" as "proof" of Tupac's artistic skills. I never said he wasn't good at rapping, just that he advocated a lot of bad shit.

When We Ride On Our Enemies

--snip--
Before I leave, make sure everybody HEARD
Know I meant, EVERY MOTHERFUCKIN WORD
When we ride on our enemies
When we ride on our enemies
Make sure everybody die, when we ride, on our enemies
When we ride on our enemies, hehe I make sure everybody die, when we ride, on our enemies
--snip--
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/t/tupaclyrics/whenwerideonourenemieslyrics.html

Oh the poetry.

Heres Fuck em all ( http://www.lyricsondemand.com/t/tupaclyrics/fuckemalllyrics.html )

A delightful melody where Tupac and his associates discuss how to best deal with confrontations. With a tek-9. Sheer genius.

If only I could have thought to tell the world how much I hate my enemies and said fuck every other word.

Well hey...

I guess I am a poet just like Tupac with my call to set people on fire.

[rumguy]

20. Then I guess

we might as well write off Rimbaud too, who grew his hair long and scrawled "shit" on steps of a church in 19th century France.

"once if I remember well
my life was a feast
where all hearts opened and all wines flowed
one evening I sat beauty on my knee
and I found her bitter
and I cursed her
I armed myself against justice
I fled oh witches oh misery oh hate
to you has my treasure been entrusted"

Rimbaud - A Season in Hell

[everythingsxen]

21. Oh no!

Boy you sure caught me.

I love the part where Rimbaud explicitly mentions how women are just playthings to be fucked and thrown away. Also, the part where he and his friends talk about how when they have a problem, they grab their tek-9s and spray their enemies down in a hail of bullets. Oh and I especially like the part where he uses the words fuck, shit and damn every two words.

I can see clearly now, Tupac and Rimbaud are totally identical!

[rumguy]

23. Rimbaud

does a hell of a lot worse than that in his poems...he talks sodomy and rape and over-indulgence of all kinds of intoxicants. He's the 19th century French equivalent of a Tupac. An artist that uses dark themes to attack the status quo...

[RandomKoolzip]

24. Uhhh, that's kind of a stretch...Wouldn't Perry Farrell also qualify?

Or JT Lopez? or that kid in high school who always wore dark clothing and wrote terribly melodratic poetry? And how exactly has Tupac attacked or disrupted the status quo? Seems more like he defines the status quo, i.e. living down to suburban white kids' fantasies and stereotypes of black people, and perpetuates it.

[rumguy]

25. status quo

Well when he started he didn't "define" the status quo. Look I don't know if Tupac well be remembered one hundred years from now as a great artist. Maybe he will maybe he won't, but some of his raps I think are awesome. But attacking him on the basis of his use of violence, etc..is just fooling around...

Successful artists usually end up re-defining the status quo - like pac arguably did...

[RandomKoolzip]

29. My beef with Tupac is the same beef Lester Bangs had with Richard Hell

Bangs said something like: "He paints half the picture with consummate brilliance and the other half with paste and crayons" or something to that effect. "He has a great grasp of the problems, but his solutions suck." That's another quote.

R. Hell (a fan of Rimbaud, btw) wrote songs about suicide, and advocated suicide in his interviews, and although he was able to catch a certain nihilist zeitgeist, also came cross to many as an immature, childish prick....A lot like Tupac. Unfortunately for Hell he didn't die, and now the only people who know about him are fat balding record collectors.

Dying was a great career move for Shakur. Before his death, evrything he did was half idiotic, half fascinating to observe from afar. Since his death, he's been turned into a kind of saintly figure, a benediction he does not deserve, IMHO. Tupac's solution to the violence of life in the ghetto was to perpetuate more violence; that's what's known as stupidity, and does not befit a "genius" or a saint.

[noiretextatique]

66. he was self-destructive, from what i've read

hell-bent on self-destruction...too bad.

[everythingsxen]

26. Ok..

Well then he obviously would have fit the bill. If he were alive and rapping today he would obviously be included in my "torch em" comment.

However, I'd also point out that Tupac and not Rimbaud had access to international broadcasting and could reach a worldwide audience in a matter of minutes.

When Rimbaud was doing his thing, not everyone and their brother could easily tune in and listen to it.

I guess since you are such a fan, you also enjoy the works of the Marquis de Sade?

Attacking the status quo is one thing. Advocating rape and murder is another matter entirely.

[noiretextatique]

62. please...

i am a poet...i write about all kinds of things. some of my poems are angry, some are political, some are lovely...others are not. i would hate to be judged, in perpetutity by the title of one of my poems: "never trust the white man," which is actually a poem about my great grandmother. i have written about police brutality (it ain't pretty) and sometimes i use the word "fuck" or the word "shit"...hell i even use "motherfucker" in one of my poems :scared: i comdemn george bush, cheney and so as terrorists in one of my poems. poltical art is by its nature...controversial. clearly, this guy was no saint, but he was also a relatively young man...and apparently, quite self-destructive, and i suspect, not fully in control of his talent. i see that with some of the younger poets i know...they go for the cheap thrills, the grandstanding and so on...doesn't mean i don't see the talent in those who have it.
i've read about Tupac's life, and i've read some of his work. the man was talented, and that's something no critic will ever diminish. you are not a frustrated artist are you? if so, your time might be better spent doing your own work.

[RandomKoolzip]

22. Anybody got any pictures of Boots Riley they can post?

Rather than Tupac? Tupac was and is knida overrated, and was really kind of an asshole (ever seen him interviewed? He came across, to me, at least, as a hostile jerk) and all of his imitators are poisoning the lifeblood of hip hop.....A "Thug Life" is a stupid life.

[alwynsw]

27. Yeah Tupac was a real sweeite

Is anyone else aware that this "thug" chose a nickname that denotes a wimp ass punk in prison.

The going rate for a BJ is a "BOX" (carton) of smokes. A weak ass punk is forced to give the BJ, then is tossed two packs as a token denoting his position on the absolute bottom of the inmate hierarchy. The nickname Twopack stays with him forever.

Yup. I certainly believe he was a tough guy.

Where did I learn this? As a supervisor in a state penitentiary. If you've ever seen "Last Dance" you've seen where I worked. Just look for the protest scenes outside the prison.

onedit: I've seen several prison tats "tupac". It's the usual inmate slang spelling for Two Pack. Yup, strip seraches were common. It was a maximum security prison.

[MSchreader]

30. Tupac Amaru Shakur

Named after the South American revolutionary, Tupac Amaru.

Get a clue.

Martin

[alwynsw]

31. Think about it..

NO ONE who has ever served hard time, as he claimed, would choose that name.

Get a clue, yourself. Reality sometimes bites.

[MSchreader]

32. He did not choose it

His mother did. That is his birth name.

Yes, reality bites, and you're too wrapped up in your own ignorance to do the necessary research.

Bite on....

Martin

[alwynsw]

33. Research?

Born Lesane Parish Crooks, June 16, 1971, Brooklyn.

on edit: some list his birthplace as Bronx.

[MSchreader]

37. Link?

Do you have one?

In the early 1970s, his mother, Afeni, changed their names. He hadn't been called "Lesane" since he was about a year old. "Tupac" was the name he grew up with.

Again, do your research.

Martin

[alwynsw]

39. Link - just one of several

http://www.daintycrew.com/tupacshakur.htm

Check you earlier statement. You've just busted yourself. If he hasn't been called Lesane since he was about a year old, which is in question by the biographers, which name exactly was given to him at birth?

You stated earlier that Tupac was his birth name.

I still stand by the phoentics of the name and the common prison spelling statement I cannot disavow my own experience. No ex-con, former inmate if you wish, would gladly bear that name. Unless he, of course, was proud of his position in prison.

[MSchreader]

41. Birth name, as opposed to nickname

Which is what you imply.

He never used "Lesane" in his life; Tupac was the only name he knew, and he considered it his birth name too.

Martin

[VermontDem2004]

50. His mom changed his name after he was born and she changed her name as wel

Her name is now Afeni Shakur, Tupac was born Lesson Crooks, she changed his name to Tupac Shakur. He didn't choose the name or whatever you think is possible, even IMDB lists Tupac Shakur as his birth name.

Birth name
Tupac Amaru Shakur

Born Tupac Amaru Shakur in New York City he grew up primarily on the streets of Oakland, California.

Named after Tupac Amaru, the Inca Indian that was sentenced to death by Spaniards. Tupac Amaru, in the Inca Indian language, means "shining serpent".(notice not two packs or BJ or whatever)


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000637/bio

[alwynsw]

40. I'll be going to bed now. Feel free to PM me

if you wish to continue this. I really don't see the need. You apparently idolize him, or at minimum admire his "work" and I do not.

We may just have to agree to disagree and part friends.

[MSchreader]

42. You know nothing about his work

Which is why you do your best to libel him.

And we are not friends.

Martin

[alwynsw]

46. I recognize hate when I see it

Anyone promoting degradation of any other human does not warrant serious attention aside from that needed to correct the problems he/she propagates. His obvious calls to violence as evidenced by the lines of his "work" should be cause for alarm for anyone who considers him/herself a proponent of peaceful resolution of conflict.

To parrot your earlier question: do you have a link or other proof of my personal knowledge of this or any other topic? I sincerely hope that you can find it within yourself to understand that although we may disagree about this particular "artist" and is "work", the simple fact that we both are members of DU and as an extension of that, (hopefully) are working for true progressive change. We are polar opposites on this topic, but I believe you'll find that our ultimate goals may be quite compatible.

Promotion or advocation of vioence and/or degradation of any other human being in any form should be unacceptable to any progressive. Has anyone the right to do so? Most definitely? I'll never deny that right, but I will battle the sensibility of it until my final breath.

Definitely my final post on this topic.

[DrWeird]

58. Father I want to kill you, mother I want to fuck you.

I killed a man in Reno just to watch him die.

And if a man layeth with another man as he he does with a woman, it is an abomination.

[noiretextatique]

63. have you read any of his love poems? nt

[noiretextatique]

64. have you read any of his love poems? nt

[alwynsw]

38. I'm waiting for the automatic gainsaying response

[Vespasian]

34. He can't be dead.

I mean, he put out like 5 albums after he supposedly "died."

Come on, people.

:P

[alwynsw]

35. Yeah! He's jammin' with Elvis

[everythingsxen]

36. and money laundering for all his boyz

:eyes:

[VermontDem2004]

47. He had alot of unfinished work

Plus it his mom that is putting out his unfinished work into cd's and making money off of them. She was awarded his work in a court case I believe, I can't believe so many are making accusations without doing research.

[noiretextatique]

65. he was a prolific writer...a real gifted person

by the accounts i have read of him.

[undergroundrailroad]

60. Tupac and Afeni Shakur

Tupac and Afeni Shakur, activist, Black Panther, poet, actress, writer, speaker, and Tupac's Mother.

Thetalkingdrum.com

[undergroundrailroad]

61. Tupac Art

Tupac