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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:22 AM
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HEY WHAT ABOUT THAT REV. JIM JONES THINGY?
TALK ABOUT BIZARRE!
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:23 AM
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1. I'll tell you what
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:26 AM
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2. Never drank Kool-Aid again...
I played that 30 minute clip of the mass suicide on my show a few months ago; scared the crap out of me..
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:31 AM
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5. OOO I HAVE THAT ON LP. YEAH, IT'S FUCKED-UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE ENTIRE RECORDING, BUT WHAT CREEPS ME OUT IS THE FACT THAT THE LONGER IT GOES ON, THE LESS YOU CAN HEAR OF PEOPLE IN THE BACKGROUND... BECAUSE EVERYBODY IS DEAD.

THAT TAPE IS MISSING APPROXIMATELY :15, BY THE WAY... SOME RESEARCHERS SUGGEST THAT THOSE FIFTEEN MINUTES INCLUDE THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE AS TEMPLE MEMBERS WHO REFUSED TO DRINK THE PUNCH WERE GUNNED-DOWN BY... AMERICAN GREEN BERETS WHO WERE IN GUYANA TRAINING FOR THE CIA-BACKED ANGOLAN "UNITA" REBELS.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:38 AM
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7. I didn't know that
about the gunfire, I mean; that's fucked up. I think how quieter it gets as the tape rolls gets me more than the screaming at the beginning, frankly..
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:13 AM
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8. OH, YEAH, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF SPECULATION ABOUT JONES'...
AND HIS INVOLVEMENT WITH CIA 'MK-ULTRA' PROGRAMMES.

POINTS:

JONESTOWN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A SOCILAIST COLLECTIVE, BUT JONES' WAS A RW'ER AND WAS EVEN THE SONE OF AN INDIANA KKK GRAND DRAGON.

IN 1961, JONES SPENT A YEAR IN BRAZIL AS A 'MISSIONARY', BUT BRAZILLIAN INTELLIGENCE OBSERVED HIM FOR THAT FULL YEAR, SUSPECTING HIM OF BEING A CIA OPERATIVE. HE RETURNED FROM BRAZIL WITH $10,000 CASH AND USED IT TO START THE PEOPLES' TEMPLE IN UKIAH CA.

THROUGHOUT HIS TIME WITH THE UKIAH TEMPLE, HE MAINTAINED CONTACTS WITH THE JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY AND THE CHARITY "WORLD VISION" WHICH WAS LATER EXPOSED AS A CIA FRONT IN LATIN AMERICA.

JONES AND THE TEMPLE CONTRIBUTED MONEY TO NIXON'S CAMPAIGNS.

JONES' CHIEF ADVISOR WAS A MEMBER OF CIA-BACKED "UNITA" IN ANGOLA.

WHILE STILL IN UKIAH, SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE TEMPLE DIED UNDER MYSTERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES, AND SEVERAL OTHERS WHO LEFT THE TEMPLE COMPLAINED OF BEATINGS, AND PSYCHOACTIVE DRUGS USED IN PHYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE.

EVEN THOUGH SEVERAL CHARGES OF KIDNAPPING, ASSAULT, AND SEXUAL ABUSE WERE OUTSTANDING AGAINS JONES AND TEMPLE DEACONS, THE TEMPLES' CONGREAGATION, INCLUDING THE ACCUSED, WERE ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE US AND RELOCATE TO GUYANA. THE US EMBASSY EVEN ASSISTED JONES IN OBTAINING VISAS.

CONGRESSMAN RYAN, LATER ASSASINATED WHEN ATTEMPTING TO LEAVE GUYANA, WENT THERE BECAUSE SEVERAL OF HIS CONSTITUENTS COMPLAINED OF RELATIVES BEING KIDNAPPED BY THE TEMPLE. RYAN'S INQUIRIES TO THE STATE DEPARTMENT WENT UNANSWERED. rICHARD DWYER, DEPUTY CHIEF OF THE US MISSION TO GUYANA ACCOMPANIED HIM.

JONES CAN BE HEARD ON THE SUICIDE TAPE SAYING "GET DWYER OUT OF HERE!!", EVEN THOUGH DWYER WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALREADY AT THE AIRSTRIP.

DWYER WAS IDENTIFIED AS HAVING BEEN A CIA AGENT SINCE 1959, AND HAVING TAKEN PART IN THE AGENCY'S EXPERIMENTS WITH LSD AND ELECTRODE MIND CONTROL.

JONES' CLOSE FRIEND DAN MITRIONE WAS CAPTURED AND KILLED BY GUERILLAS IN URUGUAY, AND HAD BEEN AN INSTRUCTOR AT THE SCHOOL OF THE AMERICAS AND THE INTERNATIONAL POLICE ACADEMY.

THE ORIGINAL DEATH COUNT AT JONESTOWN WAS AROUND 400. THIS NUMBER WAS LATER AMMENDED TO 913. THE DISCREPANCY WAS EXPLAINED BY SEARCHERS STATING FIRST THAT THEY 'MISSED A PILE', AND LATER THAT THEY MISCOUNTED BECAUSE THE 400 ORIGINAL BODIES WERE 'STACKED' ON TOP PF THE OTHER 500+, HIDING THEM FROM VIEW.

INITIAL ATTENDANTS AT THE SCENE FOUND VICTIMS OF GUNSHOT WOUNDS, STRANGULATION, AND MULTIPLE NEEDLE MARKS.

THE BODIES WERE LEFT TO ROT IN THE JUNGLE FOR DAYS BEFORE BEING EVACUATED. NO ATTEMPT AT AUTOPSY WAS MADE BEFORE THE BODIES HAD DECOMPOSED TO A STATE WHERE EXACT CAUSES OF DEATH COULD NOT BE DETERMINED. THE SUPERVISOR OF THE DEATH SITE, AN ARMY SPOKESMAN, SAID THAT AUTOPSIES WERE UNECESSARY IN ANY CASE.

BODIES THAT WERE RETURNED TO THE US WERE CREMATED WITHOUT CONSENT FROM NEXT OF KIN.

ITEMS FOUND IN THE TEMPLE COMPOUND INCLUDE WEAPONS, SIMILAR DRUGS TO THOSE USED IN "MK-ULTRA", AND CLASSIFIED CIA AND FBI FILES (ON THE BLACK PANTHERS, AND OTHER 'REVOLUTIONARY' US ORGANISATIONS).

JONES ALLEGEDLY SHOT HIMSELF, BUT HIS PISTOL (WHICH WAS PROVEN FORENSICALLY TO BE THE WEAPON WHICH CAUSED HIS DEATH) WAS FOUND OVER 200' FROM HIS BODY.

A CONGRETIONAL AID STATED TO AP IN 1979 THAT "THERE ARE 120 WHITE BRAINWASHED ASSASSINS OUT FROM JONESTOWN AWAITING THE TRIGGER WORD TO PICK UP THEIR HITS..."

MICHAEL PROKES, A JONESTOWN AIDE GAVE A PRESS CONFERENCE IN 1979, IN WHICH HE STATED THAT THE CIA WERE WITHHOLDING AUDIOTAPE FOOTAGE OF THE MASSACRE. HE THEN WENT INTO A NEARBY WASHROOM AND KILLED HIMSELF.

THREE JONESTOWN SURVIVORS WERE SHOT DEAD IN TWO SEPARATE INCIDENTS BY UNKNOWN ASSAILANTS WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE MASSACRE.

THE TEMPLES ASSETS WERE ESTIMATEAD AT BETWEEN 20 MILLION AND A BILLION DOLLARS, BUT NONE WAS EVER RECOVERED.

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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 01:17 AM
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9. Speaking of Indiana Grand Dragons and the KKK
Is that a hub for the KKK? I've driven thru there several times on the way to VA and was alarmed at these crosses that are on the highway (I forget the highway number) but for about 50 miles or so, you see these crosses, in threes, at regular intervals. Creeped me out.
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AVulgarianHue Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 03:32 AM
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10. A trial run...
population control/containment?
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CanuckAmok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 08:11 AM
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12. that's`one of the theories
n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 04:47 AM
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11. What clip?
I haven't seen it.

When I first read about the Jonestown incident in a book it sealed the deal for me on atheism. I guess I had been an atheist at heart from a very young age, but reading about people lining up to drink kool aid - many at the business end of a machine gun - well, I never viewed religion the same way again.
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BelleCarolinaPeridot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:29 AM
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3. I saw something on A&E about that and I also watched the movie ...
I swore off Kool Aid for a long time after watching both things . I should have changed the channel but dayum ...
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progmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:30 AM
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4. YEAH, I MEAN WHAT THE FUCK, RIGHT?
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:35 AM
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6. SOME CRACKED-OUT SHIT, YO
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