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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:24 PM
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Is there a big fucking problem with drinking distilled water?
What's the harm?

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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:24 PM
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1. i really fucking love your sig-pic
"let be who i am, enough to kick out the jams"
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:41 PM
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9. The wigglin' guitars, girl . . .
The crash of the drums
Make you wanna keep-a-rockin'
Till the mornin' comes.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:27 PM
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2. Your cells can explode
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 10:28 PM by jobycom
The retain too much of the water trying to pull out the non-existent nutrients. People die from it. Water intoxication.

On edit: it takes a lot, though. Not a glass or two.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:30 PM
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3. What nutrients are supposed to be in water?
?
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:47 PM
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12. Tried to find a link. Now I suspect I may have repeated a hoax
I have read a few stories of people dying from drinking a lot of distilled lab water. i just Googled and found nothing of the sort. Probably my mistake.

There is such a thing as water intoxication, but it seems to be any type of water. A person low on nutrients, say a marathon runner, drinks too much water without replenishing sodium can dilute his blood and die. It's more complicated than that. Here's a link.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Water-intoxication
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:35 PM
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4. No
http://yarchive.net/med/osmotic_damage.html
From: ((Steven B. Harris))
Subject: Re: How much H2O a day?
Date: 11 Jul 1995
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative

In <3tscha$7k8@mordred.gatech.edu> garland@aql.aql.gatech.edu (Leslie
Garland) writes:

>Every year one or more people die from drinking ONLY distilled water
>(often high school students who have just learned about distilled water
>and think since it is pure water, it must be the best water). Your body
>needs electrolytes to function;

Yep, and you get all you need from your food. Food is a far more
important source of every electrolyte than water. The only
major electrolyte which water ever helps supplement much is magnesium,
and even here food is by far the most important contributer.

> when considerable amounts of distilled
>water are consumed, your cells lyce (sp?) i.e. explode.

Nonsense. This happens to porous red blood cells if you put them in
distilled water, but not the very well structurally-reinforced and
non-porous cells lining your mucous membranes and GI tract. In any
case, the difference in osmotic load between distilled water and many
tapwaters is trivial. Body osmolality is about 280 milliosmols, and
your average springwater might run 20 or 30. The difference between
there and zero, so far as you cells care, is nothing. Blood cells lyse
just as well in tapwater-- I've done this experiment for myself.

> This is due to
>the fact that the electrolyte concentration outside the cell is not close
>to that inside the cell. Your body tries to correct this imbalance and
>due to the nature of osmosis in cell membranes, the electrolytes can't
>get out of the cell, so it tries to dilute the concentration inside the
>cell by adding water. It will continue to add water until the membrane
>bursts.

Again, somebody showed you this for RBCs, and now you think it's the way
there rest of the body opperates. It isn't. Gut epithelial cells
actually have very few channels for water to enter along the osmotic
gradient. Most water you drink enters your bloodsteam not though cells,
but through pores in in the tight junctions between epithelial cells.
And the rate of this is strictly controlled by the number of pores, not
by the osmolality difference. Even with a max osm difference between
what you drink and your blood, the influx of pure water from gut to
blood is not fast enough to hemolyze your blood.

> If enough cells disintigrate, death will result. (see any
>physical chemistry text on osmosis or basic biochem texts)

Indeed, see Guyton, which will tell you how the entire process works.
No text will tell you that drinking distilled water is harmful, unless
of course you drink gallons and eat no salt. But even beer without
pretzels can cause hyponatremia if you do that. Or hard tapwater, which
is also low in sodium, drunk in large quantities without any food.

>When I was in college, one of our TA's died this way.

I doubt it. If he died of water intoxication, it wasn't due to
distilled water per se. It was due to too much water, and too little
food/salt.

>>BTW, coffee, tea, and other caffeinated beverages (ie: coke, mountain
>>dew, pepsi...) do not rehydrate the body at all. In fact, they do the
>>opposite. Caffeine is a diuretic, as is alcohol.

It's a diuretic, but not enough to completely make up for the water
content. If you were out in the desert and had nothing but cold coffee,
you'd be well advised to drink it. Same with beer. With wine, and
certainly with distilled spirits, you would indeed probably be worse
off.

>>Alcohol, in addition to being a diuretic, also undergoes a chemical
reaction with water to form esters, which further dehydrates you<<

Sorry, but I need to see a chemical reaction diagram for that. Esters
are formed from alcohols and organic acids, not alcohol and water.

> (that's why people
>with hangovers have dry mouth).


Nah, they have dry mouth due to the simple dehydration from drinking
things that are too high in alcohol content. Beer hangovers are not
nearly so bad in this regard as those from other alcoholic drinks.

Steve Harris, M.D.

(Yes, my undergrad degree is in chemistry)



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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:37 PM
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6. Thank you.
:)
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:37 PM
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5. Remember equilibrium from chemistry class?
The same thing is happening in your body. If you put in large quantities of water containing absolutely *no* dissolved minerals, you'll tend to lose more mineral than if you're consuming water that does contain traces of mineral (you're shifting your equilibrium).

Not the best thing to consume all the time, but it's not going to hurt you to drink some. Hell, if you have certain kinds of kidney stones, it might even be helpful, to a tiny degree.

As far as water intoxication goes, you can get that with any water - it's simply a matter of you peeing so much that you excrete too much of your blood electrolytes, and that imbalance can lead to mental disturbance (or worse). Chances are you're not going to drink that much water under any ordinary circumstances.

Why do you ask? Did someone bust your chops for drinking it?
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:39 PM
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7. Thank you.
No. No chops busted here.

I want some.

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:41 PM
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8. Then drink, baby, drink!
Go for it! You and your thirst will be happy that you did!


:loveya: :hug:
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:44 PM
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10. I trust your advice.
U R a professional.

I promise not to drink too much water. :)

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tarkus Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 10:44 PM
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11. I have a friend who drank a liter of water in each class one day
At my school we only have five classes a day on some days, but he still got pretty sick. It wasn't a pleasant experience for him at the time, but now makes for great stories... like this one.
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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:27 PM
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13. Consumer Reports years ago found "soft water" to be less healthy
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 11:31 PM by MikeDuffy
than "hard water" (which has a lot of dissolved minerals) on a statistical basis, if I recall correctly. It was within an article which compared various sources of water. New York city municipal water was found to be one of the best source in terms of quality and taste, I recall. I am sure I can locate the exact date of the article (I never throw away my magazines, I think the article was published 10 to 15 years ago), and if you would like I can try to get you the exact wording of their findings in this regard (I have also recently been thinking of consuming "cleaner" distilled water, and the nagging remembrance of this article has so far helped prevent me from doing so).

So assuming CR is still supporting this finding, I would like to explore the approach of adding desirable minerals to distilled water before drinking it.
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:35 PM
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14. I appreciate that info.
I'm wondering whether or not the lack of minerals in the processed foods marketed in grocery stores has anything to do with this?

As a species, are homo homo sapiens intended to get their minerals from water, or from those foods which grow naturally on the planet?

I dunno.



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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:48 PM
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15. Look here again Fri afternoon
and I will try to follow Thur w/ my offer. I would not be surprised if the contents of one's drinking water matters a good deal (especially when you are young).
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MikeDuffy Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 06:56 PM
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18. The original article complementing NY city water said nothing about
hard vs soft water controversy (article was mainly comparing different bottled water and was published in Consumer Reports Sept 1980). I could not find any subsequent CR article that talked this issue so I could easily be mistaken that I read it in CR, but since I was doing a manual search of the indexes I could have missed it. In any case they would only have reported research findings, they did not originate any such research. I googled the following link which talks about this and other controversies regarding various types of treated water:

http://students.washington.edu/mtc4/water/Filtered_distilled.htm

Sorry I did not help much with this issue after all, it requires further research, etc.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:52 PM
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16. Unless it's at least 40% ethanol.
Edited on Thu Aug-11-05 11:52 PM by Spider Jerusalem
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ChoralScholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-12-05 12:14 AM
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17. I have to at school
because I don't want to drink the brown water that comes out of our old-ass pipes.
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