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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:46 PM
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Marxist humor.
So anyway, reading around in www.marxists.org (a great site), I found this in Engels's Introduction to one of his major works, "Socialism: Utopian and Scientific" (1892). Engels pointed out that although Englishmen seemed to object to the idea of "materialism", it was an idea that had originally been born in England. But he finds that the English are beginning to improve in their intellectual outlook:

About the middle of this century, what struck every cultivated foreigner who set up his residence in England, was what he was then bound to consider the religious bigotry and stupidity of the English respectable middle-class. We, at that time, were all materialists, or, at least, very advanced free-thinkers, and to us it appeared inconceivable that almost all educated people in England should believe in all sorts of impossible miracles, and that even geologists like Buckland and Mantell should contort the facts of their science so as not to clash too much with the myths of the book of Genesis; while, in order to find people who dared to use their own intellectual faculties with regard to religious matters, you had to go amongst the uneducated, the "great unwashed", as they were then called, the working people, especially the Owenite Socialists.

But England has been "civilized" since then. The exhibition of 1851 sounded the knell of English insular exclusiveness. England became gradually internationalized, in diet, in manners, in ideas; so much so that I begin to wish that some English manners and customs had made as much headway on the Continent as other Continental habits have made here. Anyhow, the introduction and spread of salad-oil (before 1851 known only to the aristocracy) has been accompanied by a fatal spread of Continental scepticism in matters religious, and it has come to this, that agnosticism, though not yet considered "the thing" quite as much as the Church of England, is yet very nearly on a par, as far as respectability goes, with Baptism, and decidedly ranks above the Salvation Army.


Guess ol' Friedrich liked his vinaigrette!
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Floogeldy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:48 PM
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1. Check it out.
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the_spectator Donating Member (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-20-05 11:52 PM
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2. GDP -
:rofl:
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:25 AM
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3. Best Marxist humor...
Is from Groucho. :rofl:

(Yes, I'm being a smartass tonight!)
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 12:58 AM
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4. Love the Marxist Brothers!
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C_eh_N_eh_D_eh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:04 AM
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5. No, *this* is Marxist humour!
How many Marxists does it take to change a lightbulb?

None. The seeds of revolution and change are within the lightbulb itself.

Buddum-ksh!
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 01:10 AM
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6. wow. that is a doubleplusgood website
I am suprised I had never run across it before. Thank you.
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Dirk39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-21-05 02:04 AM
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7. It's boring...
Hello from the fatherland of Marx and Engels, I'm depressed:
"There is no place yet in America for a third party, I believe(...)Almost each particular section of the possessing class has its representatives in each of the two parties to a very large degree"

I don't need Friedrich Engels to tell me so, I read it every day on DU, just about 113 years later.

Marx-Engels Correspondence 1892
Engels to Sorge
Source: Science and Society Volume II, Number 3, 1938;
Translated and Edited: by Leonard E. Mins.
London, January 6, 1892.


Hasta la victoria siempre anyway,
Dirk
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