weird/nasty harrassment

[sniffa]

a sniffa famiLy member received a surprise in her maiLbox:

encLosed in a zipLock was a thong, with her name on it, drenched in urine.

:wow:

someone's a bit psychotic.

[progmom]

1. what the fuck????

:wow:

do you have any idea who would do such a thing????

[sniffa]

3. she does

but how wouLd it ever be proven?

:shrug:

[progmom]

6. is she in any kind of danger?

that would freak me out immensely. :scared:

[sniffa]

12. if it's from who she thinks it's from

her Life/heaLth has been threatened numerous times over. x(

[progmom]

14. i'd call the police

that shit is wrong.

[sniffa]

15. i wish she wouLd caLL the poLice

*sigh*

if not caLL the poLice, go kick some ass. do something to stop it.

[philosophie_en_rose]

27. Take her to court

and get an antiharassment order.

Pissy thongs and threats are not okay. :(

[sniffa]

32. hoLy shit

why didn't anyone here think of that. :thumbsup:

gracias

[philosophie_en_rose]

41. You can probably get the paperwork online.

**I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.**

However, most state courts have websites where you can paperwork.

At worse, it takes that cowardly, passive-aggressive woman into the open. :puke:

[hyphenate]

64. Uh, I think the victim was a woman

not the culprit. I would assume the culprit is male. If it's someone she knows, she might need to collect some evidence. If she doesn't want to call the police in on this, you or she or whoever can hire a forensics investigator freelance. (Yes, there are many who set up shop just like detectives) Of course, you would be paying for all the tests as well, which could run a bundle.

When harassment such as this reaches a stage where there is physical evidence, though, calling in the police is a good idea. It's better to have it on record than not, and the victim won't have to worry about the monetary end of a freelancer because if there is a crime, and she is willing to press charges, the state will pay for the investigation.

They would probably want to get prints from the mailbox and the package if they both haven't already been messed with too much. If they have, then it's likely they would try to get some DNA off the undergarment if they could. Again, if it's been handled too much already, they won't be able to do too much.

Another tact, if she wants to avoid involving the police (which is something I wouldn't do considering all the crazies out there), is to set up a stakeout discreetly watching the house and the mailbox. If there are other family members willing to do this without being discovered, people can take turns. A good camera with fast film or infrared film can probably take some shots of who did it, enough to allow the victim to get a restraining order. She might be able to get one without evidence, but some judges swing too conservative and won't grant one.

If all this fails, I would suggest a public meeting. Several burly family members accompany her to a very public place and meet up with him, and tell him to stay away. Tape record the meeting or video it, and keep it handy if there is ever a need to use it for prosecution. Most people who do this sort of thing are cowards, and are unlikely to start something in public. And if they do, they're just showing how fucking stupid they are!

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[sniffa]

69. what the fuck is your probLem?

it's not a joke, and just because you keep sayin it is doesn't make it so.

[Misunderestimator]

99. What? You don't understand sarcasm?

[emulatorloo]

10. dna?

I'm just saying -- sounds like you got a pretty good sample.

Seriously . . . maybe it is time to put up a surveillance camera/

[proud2BlibKansan]

18. Fingerprints?

It can't be legal to send that in the mail.

[sniffa]

20. it wasn't sent by maiL

dropped in the box (most LikeLy at night).

[Maddy McCall]

25. Was it sent through the postal system?

Or was it put in the mail box without going through the postal system?

Either way, it's a felony. Have her report it to her postmaster. They will investigate.

This sounds like a deranged person. If anything really bad ever happens, it would behoove her to have record of the pee-in-the-mail.

I'd call the police AND the postmaster.

[sniffa]

29. it was not

it was maiLbox terrorism.

i just found out, the evidence was thrown out. x(
everyone toLd her to caLL the cops, but she doesn't want any troubLe.

and it is a deranged person.

[Maddy McCall]

33. I'd be VERY wary of this crazy person escalating.

Tell your sister to be careful.

Next, it might be her car, or even personal injury.

Make sure she reports it if it escalates.

[proud2BlibKansan]

45. Was it put in her mailbox?

That is a federal offense. You can't put anything but mail in a mailbox. I know this because I used to have a delivery job in college. And I had an obnoxious neighbor put a note in my mailbox a few years ago. I reported it to the local post office. Yes, they did investigate.

[flvegan]

34. Urine, right? DNA, then.

[miss_kitty]

49. DNA

there is DNA in bodily fluids.

[Shell Beau]

91. well they would have urine sample if they ever needed it

maybe some finger prints

[bicentennial_baby]

2. ok, that's just bizarre

:wow: indeed

[sniffa]

5. mwah!

:loveya:

she thinks it's some girL who used to harrass the bejeezus out of her when they were both dating the same boy. :eyes:


ah, to be 19 again.

[bicentennial_baby]

9. girls can be sooo evil and weird

:scared:

:loveya: to you too...

[hyphenate]

65. Ah--another girl

that's worse in some ways. I would still follow some of the suggestions I made in the previous posting, but I would also suggest parental intervention. If this is a 19 year old or around that age, perhaps involving her parents in the matter could help.

[Dave Reynolds]

4. That is scary,

and sick.

[sniffa]

7. nah

the boiLed rabbit was scary. :scared:

[Debbi801]

8. Ewww. That's nasty...

Tell her to be careful. He sounds kooky and dangerous.

[sniffa]

13. she

and she is.

[Mizmoon]

11. Dr. Freud reporting for duty

We agree that this is probably a male.
This male put urine on her thong underwear.
That means he had his penis out around her revealing underwear.

I'd say this is someone who wants to have sex with her but can't even try to do it the way normal adults do it (i.e. get to know her, ask her out, try to woo her, etc.)

He's angry about his inability and blames her.

If I were her I'd buy a stun gun or mace or something.

[sniffa]

16. maybe she wiLL get a stun gun

it's most LikeLy not a maLe though

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[Rich Hunt]

82. not necessarily

I know it's not PC, but there are some really jealous women out there who would do crazy shit like this.

One thing you should know about stalkers - a lot of them like to communicate metaphorically. So the person upthread who did a little amateur Freud is not too far off. Stalkers are narcissists who will push the boundaries of the law - they will make threats without "spelling them out", because if they did that, they would most certainly end up in prison. Seems to be part of their criminal subculture to communicate in code.

Of course, if pushed far enough, they will break the law, as this person did. Also, stalkers have sexual issues and issues with bodily functions, so I'm not surprised they would do something so disgusting. One of my stalkers sent me a brown recluse spider in hopes that it would scar my flesh - probably they were hoping it would bite me on the face.

This is stalking behavior. I understand your sister's reluctance to go after the perp for this, but I hope she's keeping a good log of everything.

[Mizmoon]

104. ONE of your stalkers?

I've never even had a single one!

Poor me ...

[caty]

17. She should report

it to the police. Even if she can't prove anything, there should be a police report filed in case it happens again. She might not be able to prove it this time, but she might be able to the next time. The more accurate the reports are, the more chance the police has to do something about it.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

19. She should report it to the police

I'm sure there's a law against sending something like that.

She shouldn't throw it out either. The evidence could come in handy.

[Fenris]

21. Wow. Talk about going to extreme measures to prove a point.

:wow:

[sniffa]

22. yeah, don't date my exboyfriend

:crazy:

[Fenris]

24. I mean, what's the threat there?

Leave him alone or I'm going to pee on you? :crazy:

[Maddy McCall]

30. LOL!

:rofl:

Well, to us normal people, it seems like a stupid statement. But she may escalate, if she doesn't get a warning from the police now.

[ghostsofgiants]

53. A friend of mine got chased in her car by a group of girls last night...

Or maybe the night before, for that exact same reason.

Some people need to learn to let go.

[Spinzonner]

23. When you say 'Mailbox'

do you mean a slot in a door or a receptacle designated for postal service use or was it actually sent in the mail ?

Not withstanding the fact that it was sealed in the zip-lock, there might be issues of illegal use here, though I'd be immensely surprised if the postal enforcement people would want to get involved.

[sniffa]

26. box on the side of the road

w/ the LittLe red fLag that goes up when you have maiL.

it wasn't maiLed, since it was in a bag (ie: no address).
it was probabLy put there Last night.

[Maddy McCall]

28. That's very illegal.

She needs to report it to her postmaster. See my post above.

Signed,

Daughter of a rural mail carrier.

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[Tallison]

59. Could you please point out the humor?

It's lost on silly me.

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[Tallison]

61. All I can muster is consternation

I save laughing for the witty & absurd. What the OP describes is just twisted.

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[sniffa]

63. yeah, it's reaL funny

:eyes:

first it was a reLative, and then it was my reLative.

it's not a joke.

[Zuni]

89. what are you on about?

you are way out of line here

[hyphenate]

67. Regardless of whether it's a joke to the culprit

or not, it wasn't interpreted that way by the victim. To most people, this kind of behavior is just plain wrong.

Did you know, just for a frame of reference, that many serial killers were also animal abusers when they were young? Behavior that is contrary to social norms is often a prelude to more abuse and sick behavior down the line. Some parents often don't see the connection between burning holes in a dog's side with a lit cigarette, and killing a neighbor for having the volume on his TV too loud, but that's just because the parents aren't smart enough to see trends in behavior.

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[Rich Hunt]

87. it's a coded threat

This is how stalkers communicate - it's just like sending someone a dead animal or something. Most state stalking laws recognize this behavior as stalking if there is other surveillance or threatening activity accompanying it. The stalker when confronted will say that it's only a joke, if they admit it at all.

You have to get inside the minds of a narcissistic, controlling individual who believes he or she is above the law. Got any more protestations, script kiddie??

[BikeWriter]

105. The postal people will take it very seriously!

It's a health threat to their own people.

[AlCzervik]

31. thats really scary, is it someone nearby and does she have someone

to commute home from work with?

[sniffa]

36. no she drives herseLf

they Live down on the south shore. the harrasser is from the same area and this has gone on for some time. it stopped for a whiLe, since xxxxx stopped dating that boy...... but then they went out on saturday night. and this happened. x(

we just caLLed her back, and made her dig the evidence out of the trash.

the harrasser just found out where she Lived - prior to this, the harrassment was kept to phone caLLs, onLine, and pubLic areas (maLL, and work pLace).
it's spookier now, since she somehow found out where she Lives.

[AlCzervik]

39. oy, so what are you two gonna do? Will she go to the police

or at least think about it?

[sniffa]

42. we'LL try to get her to

right now, she's just reaLLy upset. we got her to save the present though, so i'm happy for that at Least.

[AlCzervik]

43. Hey do you know who it is?

i'm thinking if she doesn't want to report it herself because she's worried about what will happen maybe you could report it, you live together yes?

[sniffa]

46. no, we don't Live together

it's my xxxinLaw.

if we couLd report it, i won't. she needs to stand up for herseLf.

[flvegan]

35. Yeah, but Mrs. Sniffa has been working out big time

I sense some thongstress getting her ass kicked if she darkens the sniffa family doorway.

Seriously, be careful. You know, psychos and all...

[JimmyJazz]

37. Sniffa - the person who received the "surprise" knows who it is.

I know this sounds strange, but if she starts thinking about who it might be, she'll know who it is. Unless the family member is in the public eye (where weirdos come out of the woodwork), it's more likely than not the person her gut tells her that it is.

She should report this, btw.

[sniffa]

40. yeah, she knows who it is

x(

we'LL see what she decides to do - report it or go on hoping it stops (in fear).

[JimmyJazz]

47. What she CANNOT do is contact him to tell him to stop.

Seriously. That would be the worst thing she could do. If she did, it would be: "here's what it took to get her to speak to me."

On edit: negative attention is still attention.

[sniffa]

48. it's not a he

it's a she. this is about a boy they both dated at one time.

she's not Looking to taLk, she's Looking (i guess) to get her to never, ever taLk to or date her exboyfriend. :crazy:


she shouLd cut him off anyway for reasons unreLated to the harrassment.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

38. i'd ignore this one

then surveill the area with either video or a stakeout. this person will be back.

and when she comes back. . .


68 automag. any marker will do. but the mag is my personal choice.

[Maddy McCall]

44. That's horrible advice.

I'm sure the crazy person would just love being pelted by a paint gun. Then SHE has the upper hand, because she can press assault charges.

I agree with your sentiment, and the id side of me would LOVE to see the sniffas do something like this.

But it would certainly cause major grief for the sniffas.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

51. good, then they can go to court and she can explain leaving

urine soaked panties with sniffa's sister's name on them in a mailbox.

I'm not so sure she'll want that on the record. Perhaps I'm being naive.

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[bicentennial_baby]

73. or maybe you're just being a complete ass

hmmm...which one is it? :eyes:

[ScreamingMeemie]

75. Leaving urine soaked underwear in a mailbox is not "funny" nor are

the comments you've made. This is sick and disgusting and also quite disturbing.

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[ScreamingMeemie]

78. I think the OP was being sarcastic. Really I do.

:shrug:

[sniffa]

80. in that post, yeah

but the rest of this thread, no.

[ScreamingMeemie]

81. I didn't think you telling a joke. Has she contacted the police?

These things can escalate rather quickly. My ex did something rather nasty with some old clothing of mine and it ended up snowballing into the need for a restraining order. Just to be on the safe side, I would recommend that your sister look into at least filing a report so she has background.

Take care sniffa,

Laura

[sniffa]

84. hopefuLLy she wiLL today

she was too upset Last night to do anything.

and it's not my sister. i don't know how that keeps coming up.

i was trying to be somewhat discreet here, but it's mrs. sniffa's sister.

thank you MrsG. :hi:

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[ScreamingMeemie]

85. Funny thing. We just went camping, with a cooler. Quite a bit of our

leftover food that we placed in baggies had water in them. Water that doesn't drain out until you open it. I also store my homemade chicken noodle soup in baggies. Why don't you give it a rest instead of adding insult to injury? sniffa has already clarified that he wasn't joking.

[tyedyeto]

86. It was a urine soaked thong not just the liquid

A baggie (zipped or not) could hold that quite easily.

To sniffa: Please do everything you can to encourage her to report this. If, after a while, another form of harrassment occurs, then this occurance will be on file.

[BikeWriter]

88. News to me, I use zip lock baggies all the time...

to freeze shrimp in water.

[Shell Beau]

92. What is wrong with you?

:wtf:

[Not_Giving_Up]

103. I suggest

A chemical imbalance.

[bicentennial_baby]

79. are you unfamiliar with sarcasm?

apparently. :eyes:

[sakabatou]

50. UGH! That fucking disgusting!

[NMMNG]

52. If you know who left them call her out

That is crude, illegal and a biohazard. Tell her if anything of the kind happens again the police will be involved.

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[sniffa]

58. yes, that's exactLy why i wrote it

ha ha ha ha ha ha

[SmokingJacket]

74. Why don't you believe this?

Sheesh, man, the world is full of freaky people. You should get out more.

[Shell Beau]

93. I am glad that you find it so funny. I guess

it wouldn't be so funny if it happened to one of your loved ones after they had harassment problems with the person they suspect. And the flaming poop on the door step is a little different. That is a known practical joke that TEENS usually do. You really need to check your sensitvity. Please, some people.... :eyes:

[youthere]

100. Why? do you think harrassment is funny?

[Zuni]

70. That is certainly disturbing

and more than a bit bizarre :crazy:

[sniffa]

71. ya think?

some guys wouLd Love that surprise in their box. :yoiks:

[Zuni]

72. I always enjoy a new thong soaked in urine

it makes me feel like it is Christmas :P

[Cathyclysmic]

76. weird

I have nothing else to say

[Shell Beau]

90. I hope she called the cops. What sicko would do that?

[Midlodemocrat]

94. sniffa that is horrible.

The advice on this thread is good. Call the cops. Call the post master general in your town.

Leaving things in a mailbox is a federal crime. And, if XXX knows who it is, the DNA in the baggie is more than enough to convict her.

Good luck. Sorry you are going through this.

:loveya:

[sniffa]

95. aww

thank you. :loveya:

i'm not reaLLy going through anything, as it's not me (or even mrs. sniffa). i do hope it stops.

it won't though unLess 1 of 2 things happen: 1. the harrassee, puts a stop to it via poLice or vigiLantism. 2. the harrassee compLeteLy cuts herseLf off from the boy being fought over.

both choices are wise in my view.

[curse10]

96. that's nasty!

where do people get these ideas?

[sniffa]

97. curse10!!!

:bounce:

i'm gLad you're back. :D

we tried to keep to keep your s.o. out of troubLe whiLe you were gone, but we faiLed miserabLy. :cry:

[Fleshdancer]

98. sounds like a sniffa famiLy member needs to enroll in a self defense class

I really wish she would come to her senses and call the police. Hopefully she'll change her mind about that. In the meantime, if she was my relative, I would enroll her in a self defense course. If I couldn't afford it, I would talk to the rest of my family members and convince everyone to pool their money to pay for it.

Too bad skittles doesn't offer a "how to kick ass" boot camp. :(

[youthere]

101. Wow. Just, wow.

[jpgray]

102. Sounds like sis lives in a state school dormitory

Though in my thankfully indirect experience with the "nasty underwear" prank, usually the perpetrators were guys pranking other guys. Kids are pretty weird these days. :crazy:

[In_The_Wind]

106. That's SICK! I'm so sorry!

[The empressof all]

107. Locking

This has turned into something very nasty and inappropriate. Let's end this discussion now folks.