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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 10:58 AM
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My only friend in FL dropped me
A sidenote: My one friend here no longer wants to talk to me. He says "I am from a different world" and that "it was nice knowing you". He is black and has been avoiding me since I've been attacked.

And this is after I drove him around and did things for him. I took him places that he will never see. I feel betrayed here.
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:00 AM
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1. Do you have any clue as
to why he did it?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:01 AM
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2. I think he might be involved in it
Or he is just not the friend I thought he was.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:06 AM
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5. Jiacinto, alienation is part of the Floridian experience.
I've learned, however, that when "good" friends disappear, generally I discover later that I dodged a bullet because I wouldn't have opted to be in their company had I known all the facts leading up to their departure.

I don't know the facts about what happened to you and your friend, and without further information, I wouldn't go beyond the generalization that I've given.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:09 AM
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6. Ok
This person had a shady past.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:35 PM
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25. As for your friend
forget about him. I think you have enough on your plate right now not to add worrying about that to it.

If he does not want to be friends, then, that is his right.



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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:45 AM
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15. I agree that he may be involved.
Cause it sounds pretty fishy for him to drop you so suddenly.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:48 PM
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30. Yeah it does
nt
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:43 PM
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27. Is this the same friend you snapped at the other day in the car?
'Cause that may have something to do with it.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:04 AM
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3. I think you need to leave Florida
Obviously this experience isn't working out for you. Are you able to go back to where you came from?
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:06 AM
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4. Not sure yet
nt
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:13 AM
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You'd better leave while you can
It sounds like you don't have much left but your health and well being. And if you lose that....... well......... :eyes:.

Keep your friends close but keep your enemies closer - Don Vito Corleone
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:10 AM
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7. I know it's far away and all, but you should move to Nashville, TN....
Cheap to live here, very little crime, lots of like minded Dems (among a republican territory), the land, the hills, etc. is really beautiful. I've been reading your posts and you really need to go some place peaceful for a while. Get out of Florida, man.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:13 AM
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8. I am working on that
nt
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:52 PM
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39. Nashville's awesome.
If I had to move somewhere else in the country that place would be in my top 5. So much history, so beautiful, friendly girls, very metropolitan.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:13 AM
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9. I'm sorry, jiacinto. This whole situation sucks.
Hang in there, bro. :pals:

BTW, Nashville IS very nice. Check it out if you can.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:14 AM
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10. why not just go downtown and meet people?
i live in Orlando, and there's plenty to do downtown on the weekends. I don't know where you are in florida, but there are always more likeminded individuals out there than at first it seems. Don't give up, use this time to reconstruct yourself, and be social!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:52 AM
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17. He definitely should not go into downtown Miami
That's dangerous, too. Believe me, I know. I've lived there.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:30 PM
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24. Don't go downtown ....
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 03:33 PM by LibertyChick
Not a good idea in Miami. Twice I had a car stolen from a downtown Miami parking lot. Also, not too safe a place. You *really* don't need your car stolen or vandalized after everything else that has happened.

Better yet, check to see if the public library has groups that meet there. Perhaps you can find a group that shares your interests (Carlos).

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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:26 AM
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11. I really feel bad for you and your situation
but I think you're making HUGE leaps in logic here. Why did you feel it necessary to point out that this friend is black? What was his shady past? How do you go from these thoughts to "he could be involved"?

Perhaps you are right in your suspicions, but maybe you could provide more information about this person and your doubts. Otherwise, it does seem as if you're making an assessment based on his race.

What places did you take him "that he will never see"?

I'm sure you realize that hard times prove who your real friends are. When you need so much, even a long-standing friend is prone to not be there to the extent you want them to be. If it's a new friendship, that's even more the case. Perhaps you just need more support than he is willing or able to give right now.
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jiacinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:28 AM
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12. Ok
I took him to upscale stores and restaurants. I drove him out to the West Coast of FL and onto the Tamiami Trail.

I only mentioned his race to show the contrast. That's all.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:35 AM
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13. What contrast?
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 11:36 AM by prolesunited
I'm still not getting it here. What does race have to do with going to upscale places? I know a lot of white people who haven't been to those types of places. Are you saying blacks don't go to those places? Isn't it an issue of socioeconomic class rather than race?

Also, you also didn't really address the other questions about his shady past or why you think he's involved?

Edit: Correct punctuation
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:43 AM
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14. Give Jiacinto a break.
He's gone through a traumatic experience. Read here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=390395

Right now he has more questions than answers and it's normal to second-quess everything and everybody. Give him time to sort things out.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 11:50 AM
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16. The Contrast, Proles. . .
. . .is that they're different races and the ex-friends excuse was they were "from different worlds."

The racial difference is a likely reason for that sentiment. So, that seems to be the point Carlos was making.
The Professor
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boilerbabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:37 PM
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37. You are so on target here,.
Edited on Tue Nov-11-03 04:49 PM by boilerbabe
xxx
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 05:11 PM
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40. Nice
why did'nt you leave your completely inappropriate message up?
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:21 PM
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18. maybe he got sick and tired
of you patronizing him. it was awful nice of you to take the local black guy out to places 'he will never see' did you give him a shiny new penny as well? or has inflation raised that to a nickel?

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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:43 PM
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19. Jeebus man
Give Carlos a fucking break. He's been mugged at gunpoint and had his entire apartment looted in the past week. Have some empathy, it's on me.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:51 PM
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21. hey, I was just pointing out
that if Carlos acted around this guy the way he's talking to us, I'm not suprised the guy dropped him. and I'm unwilling to accept that being the victim of a crime excuses what is developing into a pattern of racist statements. are you? when I see it, I'm going to call it.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:48 PM
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:50 PM
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20. DING DING DING DING DING!!
I think you've probably pegged it. I'm sure that Carlos is probably not consciously aware of that attitude, but his lack of self-awareness is one of his biggest problems (at least on DU).

"Know thyself," Carlos. It's an extremely important first step in growing beyond where you are now. I say that with the absolute best intentions.

Did you comment to your friend about "thug life" like you talked about here on DU, Carlos? Your friend may have picked up quite well on your attitudes about people of other races, and decided he'd rather not continue the friendship. It's awfully presumptuous of you to talk at length about all the things you did for him that you assume he couldn't have done or seen without your help.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:58 PM
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22. No kidding, and although I can't speak for all black people...
I'm pretty sure that at least some of them don't like to be suspected of muggings and burglaries for no good reason.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:21 PM
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33. Well, all would be forgiven
if I were treated to lunch at a fancy restaurant.
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:23 PM
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34. Filet mignon heals all wounds
:evilgrin:
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:24 PM
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To bad Michael Jordan retired.
He could have gotten Wizard tickets.

:evilgrin:
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:24 PM
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35. Thank goodness
For awhile there I thought I was the only person on this board who saw many of those mugging posts and threads as condescending and borderline racist at best (I mean, the first "thug life" thread? Jiminy!)...

It's like noticing that you're sane after all.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:29 PM
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36. Buddy, you don't know half of it.
Let me tell you about the time...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 12:59 PM
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:53 PM
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32. Truer words were never spoken
I have had perfectly well-meaning white people tell me I'm "not like those other blacks" like it's a compliment. Or my favorite, "you speak so well". It's irritating and I call people on it, but try to do so in an understanding manner, cause I know it's just because they don't know any better. (Incidentally the website http://www.blackpeopleloveus.com gleefully skewers this kind of behavior and is really funny).

I disagree with Carlos a lot on DU but I sincerely hope his situation gets better. He's had a rough couple of weeks.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:40 PM
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26. Is this the same friend
that you bitched at for making you miss your precious football game?
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 03:47 PM
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28. :shens:
:shens:
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 04:50 PM
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38. Strange.
Damn dude I am so sorry you have all this happening to you.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-11-03 05:25 PM
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41. I'm locking this thread
Turning into a personal attacks festival

proud patriot
DU moderator
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