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Thu Nov-13-03 07:14 PM
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Poll question: favorite intelligent hip hop artist. |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 07:25 PM by frylock
Don't get me wrong.. I enjoy loading up some Jay-Z or Ludacris from time to time, but my preferences lean toward something with less posturing, and more social commentary. How bout you?
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:16 PM
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1. Disposable Heroes..and ANYTHING by Franti |
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Just listened to drug of the nation.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:20 PM
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I've never heard anything by Disposable Heroes.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:29 PM
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15. Disposable Heroes Of Hiphoprisy |
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they did one album in 90 or 91 and it has some of the best damn lyrics ever put on vinyl (or plastic as the case may be).One of the all time great hip hop recordings,and in my mind far better than most of Franti's other stuff (though I like that also).
It's really tough to track down (even on Kazaa) but it's definately-DEFINATELY-worth tracking down for anyone with even a modest interest in social hip hop.And his cover of the Dead Kennedy's California Uber Alles is better than the original (this coming from a massive Jello Biafra/Dead Kennedys fan).
Paris is my second choice...more good stuff!
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:45 PM
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21. did a quick search on soulseek.. |
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it's floating around out there. I had no idea it was so hard to find. I bought it back when it was released after hearing Uber Alles. Drug of a Nation is my favorite track.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:53 PM
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23. I had it...lent it out |
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and then moved away....haven't seen it anywhere since,though I have found a few tracks on Kazaa.
I'm torn between Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury or Satanic Reverses for my fav...but they are all great!
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:13 PM
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25. all four spearhead albums are excellent n/t |
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:05 PM
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33. Disposable Heroes kick ass... |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 10:25 PM by Spider Jerusalem
you ought to check out the William S. Burroughs/Disposable Heroes collaboration "Spare Ass Annie and Other Tales", if you haven't.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:16 PM
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Although he was a controversial figure, he displayed the feelings of the oppressed male because of his race. I know many Palestinians empathize with Tupac. However, the Israelis also has this militant rapper that pretends to be like Eminem, but they are totally different. Eminem wouldn't go to the kind of militancy this guy advocates.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:28 PM
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14. my bad.. should have been in. |
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:16 PM
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3. Would be cool with a definition of Intelligent |
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In my opinion Eminem is pretty damn intelligent.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:19 PM
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:19 PM
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36. Point being, even so called "bling bling" and "gangsta" |
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stuff is pretty damn smart, lyrically, and beatwise, and mixwise, and samplewise.
Apparently, the definition of "intelligent" here means "engages in social/political commentary." That's all well and good, but I think a lot of the other stuff has its own kinds of logics and intelligence, and we do an injustice to those knowledges by using "intelligent" to mean only one fairly restricted thing. I think good party hip hop (say, Mystikal) is prewtty damn intelligent, in terms of
1) rhyme schemes 2) narratives 3) rhetorical sensibility and crowd management 4) capacity to create affective resonance
Put simply, a brotha (or sistah) can muthafuckin' groove to that shit. Think that's easy. I'd like to see the attempted lyrics of even one of the white bread motherfuckers on this thread claiming "intelligent hip hop artist" is an oxymoron. Just fucking one set of lyrics - forget even the complex notions of call and response, the way to breath with beats, where to come in, how to hit the beats correctly, and the million other details that make hip hop - along with jazz - one of the most amazing emergences on the world stage of the 20th century.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:17 PM
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:18 PM
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5. No Nas ?!?!?!?! (no text) |
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:11 PM
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34. You took the words right out of my mouth! No f&%$#ing NAS? |
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Who made this busted ass poll?
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:18 PM
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:26 PM
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13. update.. thanks for participating. |
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:38 PM
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29. If you haven't heard Tupac |
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even if you don't "get" hip hop, you are doing yourself a disservice.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:19 PM
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7. I'll go with PE in this poll, but I like Michael Franti and Spearhead |
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"We can bomb the world to pieces, but we can't bomb it into peace"
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:22 PM
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Franti is great, but I didn't wanna stack the poll for one particular artist. I wanted to include Talib Kweli and Mos Def as well, but settled on Blackstarr.
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:23 PM
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11. What is your definition of hip hop? |
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:24 PM
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:38 PM
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19. Well, that isn't the whole 'hip hop' scene |
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The Notorious B.I.G.
LL Cool J
Dr. Dre
Beastie Boys
Wu-Tang Clan
NWA
Missy Elliott
Ice-T
Fugees / Lauryn Hill
Afrika Bambaattaa
Eric B & Rakim
Outkast
DMX
Queen Latifah
Ice Cube
A Tribe Called Quest
Cypress Hill
De La Soul
Lil' Kim
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:29 PM
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16. "intelligent hip hop artist" |
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:12 PM
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Thu Nov-13-03 11:17 PM
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40. All originality in music these days is in rap or hip hop. nt |
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:30 PM
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17. Love PE, but where's TCQ? |
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Tribe Called Quest! Strictly butter, baby!
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:47 PM
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22. damn!! i knew i would need to omit a couple.. |
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but how did I leave them out?!
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:32 PM
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Ok, Ok, I'm kidding! I'm kidding!
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Thu Nov-13-03 07:43 PM
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20. "Lil' Half-dead' or course |
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:03 PM
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Though to tell the truth, I just love anything on Def Jux records (El-P, Cannibal Ox, Mr. Lif)... Aesop Rock's Labor Days, however, is probably the best meditation on the underclass I've born witness to in the past decade.
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:15 PM
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US3, tribe called quest, gangstar, blackaliscious, del the phunk homosapien, and my favorite, basehead
but maybe i am out of touch ...
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:15 PM
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27. accidental double post |
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Edited on Thu Nov-13-03 08:16 PM by midwest_lurker
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Thu Nov-13-03 08:58 PM
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KRS-One, Common, Lauryn Hill, Dead Prez, Goodie Mob, The Roots, Speech special treat: try "related media - ras baraka wants to hear an american poem" http://www.bet.com/articles/1,,c5gb6195-6947,00.html#
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Thu Nov-13-03 09:57 PM
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31. I vote Roots because I knew them when |
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but I also love Tribe Called Quest.
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:00 PM
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32. Two words: Jurassic Five. |
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They have some of the most lyrically complex rhymes I've ever heard. Not to mention that Chali 2na has the coolest voice ever.
Them or OutKast. Great stuff.
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Thu Nov-13-03 10:26 PM
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37. J5, Blackalicious, or Mos Def |
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Got exposed to Eminem due to two teenaged boys...started listening and thinking...'hey! this shit ain't too bad'. The CD 'The Eminem Show' rocks!
Trekkerlass (41 yr old rap fan--sheesh!):crazy:
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What you pray for God will give to be able to cope in this world we live The word "cope" and the word "change" is directly opposite, not the same She should have been praying to change her woes but pastor said "Pray to cope with those" The government is happy with most baptist churches coz they don't do a damn thing to try to nurture brothers and sisters on a revolution Baptist teaches dying is the only solution Passiveness causes others to pass us by I throw my line till I've made my decision until then, I'm still fishin' 4 religion
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Thu Nov-13-03 11:46 PM
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He's actually very sly with a wicked intelligence (he just makes it look effortless)
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