Which factoid of Star Trek II is the most surprising?

[Deja Q]

:shrug:

[Kamika]

1. uhmm corrections

The movie was to be named "the undiscovered country"

The crewmember scottybrings up is his nephew.

And Shatner didnt have anything to do with the editing of this movie.. and the directors cut was the tv version

[Deja Q]

3. Right, didn't say for a reason, and Maybe right

Another alternative title was "The Undiscovered Country" but was changed to "The Vengeance of Khan" and then to "The Wrath of Khan" (info on ST6 can be found http://www.mutantreviewers.com/rstartrek6.html )

I used 'crewmember' instead of 'nephew' because not all have seen the TV cut of Trek II (which was the cut Nicholas Meyer was asked to come up with for the rare ABC transmission in 1983, I think it was...) The theatrical and VHS/DVD version we'd been exposed to until the "Director's Cut DVD" lacks ALL references to the crewmember being Scotty's nephew (and, of course, the expanded scenes featuring him and Scotty, and an extended scene of Scotty pining over his death in Sickbay, which was wonderful to finally see... One reason of many why James Doohan hates Shatner's guts...?) I do prefer the Director's Cut edition myself...

Nicholas Meyer himself had made a mention of scenes being cut for the theatrical version, and said Paramount didn't care about the TV version. It's been a while but I distinctly remember reading something somewhere about Shatner wanting certain scenes cut because it took away from his glory. "Captain Quirk" is likely the reference I'm referring to... It's a great book. Of course, the author of that book may have been spinning things as well. So, it really wasn't a fact but an opinion as to whether or not the movie's scenes were removed because of time concerns, Shatner's ego, or some other factor...

[TlalocW]

2. I think for me it was...

A cut scene where Kirk hits Khan with a photon torpedo and exclaims, "Awwwwww yeah! Who's your daddy? Get that weak shit up out my face!" Available on the DVD's cut scenes selection.

TlalocW

[Swede]

4. Excuse me but you missed:Who the fuck cares?

Set your phasers on caress.

[Rabrrrrrr]

5. I've always been most surprised that Scotty took the wounded nephew

to the bridge, thus likely guaranteeing his death from lack of medical attention.

When McCoy says, "I';m sorry" he should have "I'm sorry, but maybe if you had had someone else bring him to sick bay so that you could be in engineering keeping us safe, instead of wasting ten minutes carrying him to the bridge, he'd be alive now."

[carrowsboy]

6. Khan's buff chest

Was it real, was it fake?

I've heard both. But I guess only Ricardo will ever know!

[mark0rama]

7. It was fabricated out of rich Corrrrinthian leather.

Kidding - I've heard it was real.

[Rabrrrrrr]

8. It's real - that's what Nimoy says in the director

commentary on the Star Trek II DVD.

he was a buff man, that's fer sure. Like.