I still believe that JFK, Jr. was murdered.

[Floogeldy]

It is just too inconvenient to avoid. He could have kicked ANY REPUBLICAN'S ASS, in any election, FOR ANY OFFICE. They couldn't afford the risk and had him offed.

Disorientation MY ASS.

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[AVulgarianHue]

1. No argument here

assasination followed by character assassination. Same ol', same ol'.

[PittPoliSci]

2. character assassination?

I was kinda young when it happened, so I don't remember much about what happened. Inform me please.

[AVulgarianHue]

3. His incompetence..

overweening bravado, the marital relationship, drug use.

[Floogeldy]

4. I guess that makes you kinda young now, too.

?

[PittPoliSci]

5. I'm only 21.

I think JFK, Jr. died when I was maybe 13?

[Left Is Write]

10. July, 1999.

[PittPoliSci]

20. holy shit where was i?

[Floogeldy]

21. At the skating rink?

I think that's where I was when I was 13. Either that or the bowling alley. ;)

[Left Is Write]

22. Yeah, but he was 15 six years ago.

:silly:

[PittPoliSci]

26. i was out skating.

skateboarding though...i loved it till i hurt myself.

[Left Is Write]

23. I can tell you exactly where I was.

I was 33 years old, pregnant, and sitting in a hotel room in downtown Boise, ID, when the news broke that he and his party were "missing."

[PittPoliSci]

25. missing is such a cop out.

i hate hearing that cause i automatically assume conspiracy.

[Left Is Write]

57. At that point, though, they *were* just missing.

They had failed to reach their destination, and it wasn't yet known exactly what had happened to them.

[Shell Beau]

6. Hmmm...

I'm not sure I agree with you. Character assassination? You bet. Actually murdering him? :shrug:

[RebelOne]

7. I don't agree with you.

He was flying in bad weather and he didn't have the instrument rating for that type of weather, which means he was not experienced enough.

[CottonBear]

16. Plus, he was recovering from a broken ankle (ouch, I've done that:

it hurts like hell), he was estranged from his wife and his magazine was going bust. He had a lot of stress at the time. On top of it all he wasn't instrument rated and he flew into instrument rated conditions.

[flvegan]

8. If you're right, then Robert Jr better watch his back, too.

[BlueIris]

11. No shit.

I've been worried ever since he entered the pubic eye in regard to the vaccine controversy--and started getting mentioned on these boards.

[Patiod]

9. True story

My SO and I were in a big bar, killing time before a play started in a nearby theater.

The bar had CNN on one TV, and "The Simpsons" on the other. They were covering the search for the downed aircraft on CNN, and playing the episode where Homer joins the Navy on the other.

A drunk comes wheeling out of the bathroom, squints at both TVs, and in a very Barney Gumble voice yells "Go getem, Homie! Homie will save JFK Junior!! He's coming to get you John-John!!! Hang on!!"

We almost fell off our barstools.

[Sequoia]

13. That provoked a chuckle from me!

[BlueIris]

12. Yep. Plane crash. July of '99. Last name: Kennedy. Political prospects?

Given a decade or so and some experience: extremely favorable.

Come on.

July of '99.

We all know what was happening in July of '99.

July of '99, for me, was a critical point. I'm just now realizing how many, many events it set in motion which are coming to fruition in these dark days.

[smirkymonkey]

14. Actually, I don't know what was happening in July '99

[BlueIris]

15. Think about it.

The neo-cons were busy locking up the nomination for Bush and the PNAC was probably looking for ways to cut down anyone and everyone who could pose a threat to its empire.

[Floogeldy]

27. It may sound silly . . .

But from John to Jackie to Camelot to Junior . . .

He was to become the "Princess Di" of America.

Eventually, he could have won any election, against anyone, with the whole world rallied around him.

The assassinations of varied characters and levels have continued non-stop since November of 1963.

[bobbieinok]

56. remember Bush machine checked out possible dem candidates for

92 and took after the one they thought would be the most trouble, Clinton......and thus the Arkansas project, which started how many years before 92

see Lyons and Conason The Hunting of the President

[RedCloud]

17. There are reports of no visibility problems when the crash happened.

Visibility problems may have been later.
Maybe the Bush family has it in for them.

Bush I training assassins for the CIA/ JFK in Dallas that last day?


Should have been:

JFK president 1960-1968
RFK president 1969-1976
Ed? president 1977-1984
Some other Kennedy 1985-1992
Clinton/Carter 1993-2000
JFK JR. 2001-present

Then the USA would be liberal and happy! Peace and love. Conservatives would seek psychiatric help instead of office.

[ronnykmarshall]

58. Why would we want a politcal dynasty?

We bitch about the Bush's ........ ?????

I love the Kennedy's too, but I would never want to see the same family have the White House three decades.

[billyskank]

18. One thing I don't understand

if you were a big liberal politician that was capable of being a thorn in the side of the ultra right, why the hell do you fly in a private plane?

It just seems to me that so many meet their ends in plane 'accidents.' Me, I'd take the bus fucking everywhere.

[SIU_Blue]

45. cause it's fun

oh yes, it is.

:hi:

[Bridget Burke]

19. It may well have been an accident.

Other folks have given the reasons.

But he would have eventually meant big trouble for the Bush "Dynasty." In the light of history, I can fully understand your suspicions.

[enigami]

24. The guy couldn't fly the frigging plane

sorry, just that simple.

[hickman1937]

28. I'm waiting for Caroline to engage.

She was always the true heir. John JR was so much like his mom, but Caroline is her Dad. I'm waiting for the shock trauma of her life to wear off.

[Floogeldy]

29. I wish.

Not gonna happen, though. As wonderful as she is, she's not that bold or charismatic.

[hickman1937]

32. Because she has chosen not to be.

Shes been hiding for years. Behind her Mother, behind her brother. I think one day she'll step out. Maybe she won't have her Dad's charisma, but she'll have Hillary's steely eyed idealism and drive. Assuming of course that she ever decides to be a Kennedy.

[SIU_Blue]

30. As a pilot AND a democrat

I'm gonna have to disagree. Sadly, he was not using the best judgement. Flying an aircraft into IFR (Instrument Flight Rules) weather without an Instrument rating is not just a risk, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Trust me when I say that a private pilots license is NOT proper preparation for this type of flying. Disorientation is likely.

End of Boring Rant.

:rant:

[Floogeldy]

33. You don't know all of the facts.

You don't know anything about his judgment. You don't know anything about the weather at the time. You weren't there.

[SIU_Blue]

36. ummmm....

http://www.airsafe.com/events/celebs/jfk_jr.htm


"The forecast indicated visual flight rules (VFR) conditions with clear skies and visibilities that varied between 4 to 10 miles along his intended route. The pilot then departed on a dark night."

You don't take off at night with any visibility below 10 miles and a private license only.

Any pilot in the world would tell you...Bad Judgement.

[Floogeldy]

43. "With clear skies and visibilities that varied between 4 to 10 miles"

I see.

[SIU_Blue]

44. fyi

clear skies only refers to sky condition (i.e. not "scattered" "Broken", or "Overcast") and has nothing to do with fog or any ground visibility reading.

see second half of report:

"Other pilots flying similar routes on the night of the accident reported no visual horizon while flying over the water because of haze."

there ya go.

[Floogeldy]

48. You don't know.

You don't know what Jr. saw, what judgments he made, what skills he had, or what actions he took.

You don't know. You have a little pilot's knowledge and you think you can determine the cause of the crash, off the cuff.

Sorry. That isn't good enough.

[SIU_Blue]

51. alright, look, I don't want to fight about this.

Please....

1. No one knows what happened. No one was there.

2. Even the NTSB simply tries to do what they can with the evidence they have.

3. All evidence points to disorientation/loss of control. None points to any conspiracy.

4. I completely understand that you don't trust my credentials. You don't know me so that's cool. But I think I've proved that I know something about the field, and even if that's not enough, I've provided links with facts for all my claims.

5. Please don't take this personally, I still have a ton of respect for you and everyone here.

[Floogeldy]

54. No problem.

Its just that the number of assassinations and deaths of potential future Democratic leaders is suspicious.

I respect you, too.

[hickman1937]

38. Fog. Possibly the other poster does know.

I'm sorry.:shrug: SUI_Blue has a point. I recently read a excerpt from a book written by his cousin's wife. The whole area was fogged in.

[Wapsie B]

31. I'll just say that there's a damn high coincidence of Democrats

dying in small plane crashes. If someone could show me that repugs suffer the same fate nearly as much my fears would be put to rest.

[SIU_Blue]

34. About even....

see here:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/25/politicians.plane.crashes/

[hickman1937]

42. 9 dems, 4 pukes.

I think we're dying faster.

[SIU_Blue]

46. I count 7 to 5

:shrug: maybe I'm wrong?

[hickman1937]

53. Alaska guys were a 2fr.

One listed.

[hfojvt]

50. I get 5 pukes from that list

This is the first I heard of Mickelson (SD Governor) and SD is my home state. Of course, in 1993 I was living in Wisconsin without a TV, but you would think one of my friend would mention it or my two sisters who were living in SD at the time. I did kinda wonder how Janklow got back in there since there was a Republican incumbent.

[Floogeldy]

52. And it is not just the numbers

It's the quality, character, charisma and leadership qualities of the fallen Democrats.

[Fox Mulder]

35. I think it's a govt. conspiracy and JFK, RFK, and JFK Jr....

were all murdered by our own government.

Hell, I even think Paul Wellstone was murdered by our own govt.

[Floogeldy]

37. And MLK

And RFK. :-(

[SIU_Blue]

39. and don't forget....

elvis :sarcasm:

[Fox Mulder]

40. Elvis didn't die.

He just went back home.

From "Men in Black". :D

[SIU_Blue]

41. LOL

:rofl:

[hickman1937]

49. Balls. Some deaths were just joyful accidents for Reagan, Atwater,

Rove and the whole snake nest. Buried in the there are the targets.

[Robeson]

47. I agree.

[bobbieinok]

55. didn't at first; got tired of the constant coverage.....later, well,

wonder