Woman Arrested For Killing Dog.....one sick story ya'll!!!!!

[jus_the_facts]

.....wonderful community I live in eh? :puke:

http://thenewsstar.com/localnews/html/EC97D9DE-B8BB-4D69-AE75-849C9ED0B340.shtml

*snip*
Woman arrested for killing dog
Christy Futch
[e-mail]

November 19, 2003


Ouachita Parish Sheriff's deputies on Tuesday arrested a woman accused of dragging a neighbor's dog behind her vehicle in August.
Her then 5-year-old child was outside playing basketball with a group of other children in the mobile home park, Maj. Royce Toney said, when an 8-month-old Labrador retriever apparently scratched the child.
Fowler had two bite marks on her inner arm and a scratch on her leg, police reports stated.

Fowler told police she went into a rage, according to police reports. When she tried to tie a rope to the dog's collar, reports stated, the dog bit her.

Toney said several of the children allegedly saw Fowler take a hammer out of her vehicle, and hit the dog on the head and body. Toney said she then allegedly tied the dog to the rearview mirror and dragged it down the road, running over its head.

According to witnesses, Toney said, the rope came loose, and Fowler left the dog and took her son to the hospital.Fowler told police she was dragging the dog to the owner's home, but didn't know she ran over its head.


*more* :puke: :evilfrown:

[Robb]

1. Er, how much damage

...could an 8 month old lab puppy inflict? I mean, that's a pretty soft-mouthed breed when full-grown. :shrug:

Robb's 2nd Law rears again.

[jus_the_facts]

4. I know it....and a lab is such a docile breed too....

....I'm sure it only bit her after she hit it on the head with a freakin' HAMMER! :mad:

[commander bunnypants]

2. i volunteer

to drag that lady behind my car.

sick story

DDQM

[Drifter]

3. Yep ...

suddenly eye for an eye seems reasonable.

Cheers
Drifter

[hlthe2b]

5. Surely this demonic woman will not keep her kids....!

There was another story (drudge had it) about a GA man that killed a puppy with an axe in front of his hysterical kids because he was mad at their mother...

I'm anti-death penalty. But, these horrendous acts against defenseless animals and children tempt me to change my mind. May these assholes both reap the full extent of their karmic justice.!


And may these sweet pups find paradise with my own dear pets who have left me in years past.

[JailBush]

6. Frank Blethen, deranged owner of the Seattle Times - which endorsed Dubya

performed community service after he was accused of shooting a neighbor's dog.

That's hardly the extent of "Crank's" crimes; the guy's truly a nutcase.

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. jesus

That's one sick fucking lady. :mad:

[ArkDem]

8. This is what we've come to in

Bush's america.

[absolutezero]

9. if anyone ever did this to my dog

I would drag them behind my car...at about 70 mph...over gravel
I absolutely hate people that would hurt someone's pet for no good reason.

Personally I hope they take her kids away and send her off to a mental hospital...this woman needs serious therapy (or if i had my say, a serious beating) if she would kill a puppy because it scratched her kid...

[hlthe2b]

17. Me too...

I've always been terrified of what I would do if someone did something so cruel to one of mine....The shear cruelty of doing this to a gentle loving defenseless animal is so beyond comprehension.......

[gunns733]

18. How would you react if a vicous dog bit your 5 year old child?

n/t

[hlthe2b]

24. There is nothing in this story to suggest the dog was vicious...

only that the WOMAN was! Heavens, haven't you ever been around labrador retrievers? Exhuberant, yes, but definitely not AGGRESSIVE!!!!!!!!! I am shocked at the jump to conclusions here and defense of this sadistic woman.

[jus_the_facts]

25. again it DID NOT bite the child....it jumped up and scratched them....

....it only got viscios after being hit with a goddamn hammer man....you should READ the entire article before making remarks that don't aren't relevant.

[gunns733]

28. I did read the entire article

I just misread the bite part, but the dog scatched the 5 year old children. I am surprised you are defending such a vicous dog.

[VermontDem2004]

31. Come on

This dog didn't even break the skin. The dog was nowhere near being dangerous.

[gunns733]

33. It doesn't matter......

The dog was aggressive around 5 year old children, the lab shouldn't of even touched the kid.

[luckyluke]

36. I totally agree...

...and furthermore, the evil vicious beast butted the poor woman's hammer with his head and soiled her poor car tires with his vicious brains.

[gunns733]

39. Listen...

I am not defending the woman. Don't start twisting my words.

[jus_the_facts]

40. excellent point made luke....

....how dare that puppy! :eyes:

[foxy]

41. Maybe we should agree to diagree on this because this is getting nowhere.

IMHO

I just say that there are some dogs that have the tendency to do bad things and some that don't. We weren't there to see how this went down so we should just be sharing a little insight not putting other people down for their opinions.

Again IMHO

[jus_the_facts]

46. well there's still something to be said for freakin' out and.......

....taking the law into your own hands untill you evaluate how serious the situation really is...the police should have been called and allowed to do their job and what needed to be done..instead of going off half cocked and making a bad situation even worse....those children witnessed the woman beat...strangle...drag...then splatter the puppy's brains under her tire....I find that much worse of a scene and abominable than a few scratches! Dig me?? Peace! :)

[indigo32]

42. NOT LIKE THAT

eom

[truthspeaker]

52. call the police

But first I'd make sure my kid hadn't provoked the dog.

[Kolesar]

20. they should take her children away, she is insane

Of course if she is in prison, she will have to give them up for that period of time.

[foxy]

44. I lost a best friend over a dog once.

He had a rott that was just as playful as can be. We were around each other almost everyday of this dogs life. So I knew the dog very well.

Then one day we were at the park and we were playing chase with the dog. He would chase us for a while and then he would run from us for a while. Well it was on one of the times he was running from us that he turned directions and started growling and biting a little girl in the face. He had never been agressive as long as I had known him. But when I went to get him he turned on me and when he did my insticts set in and I grabbed him by the top and bottom jaws and pulled apart. Well it broke his jaw to get him off of my hand and they had to put him to sleep. I got 20 stitches in my wrist. Now I love that dog and it hurt me when I hurt him but it had to be done because of what he did. Freak accidents happen all the time with dogs. I have at least 5 or 6 more incidents that I have been involved in with good dogs in baad moods. And none of them were provoked.

Just my experience.

[gunns733]

10. I am not defending here but.....

this dog did bite her kid, I can understand why she was angry. This dog should be locked away so he or she won't be biting kids anymore.

[commander bunnypants]

13. The dog is now dead

DDQM

[gunns733]

15. oops

I am so embarrased, I can't believe I just went braindead like that. But the point is the owner of the dog shouldn't of let his or her dog around kids knowing that his or her dog could act in an aggressive manor around 5 year old children.

[jus_the_facts]

14. she killed it already by hitting it with a hammer and then tied a cord....

...around it's neck and dragged it...then ran over it's head...the children were only *scratched*....the dog bit HER after she hit it on the head and body with the hammer!!!x(

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[foxy]

16. Welcome to DU gunns733

I tend to agree with you--if the dog had lived...

:hi:

[jus_the_facts]

21. the article states that the child only had scratches that didn't.....

....even break the skin....the woman who killed it got bit when she was killing the PUPPY!!!:(


*snip*

Her then 5-year-old child was outside playing basketball with a group of other children in the mobile home park, Maj. Royce Toney said, when an 8-month-old Labrador retriever apparently scratched the child.

According to police reports, the responding deputy observed several scratch marks on the child's back, none of which broke the skin. Fowler had two bite marks on her inner arm and a scratch on her leg, police reports stated.

[foxy]

30. Had the mom not been out there then what?

If the dog went at the child and scratched her out of fun I don't think the mom would have mistook it. You can definitely tell the difference when you are witnessing it. I was in a park with my children once and I was sitting near where my son was playing and a lab about the same age(7 or 8 months) was running by with his little master about my son's age(3 or 4). The dog broke away from the little boy and came over and started jumping on my son's and trying to bite him in the face. When the little owner and I tried to stop him he turned on us and started biting us. --He had never acted this way before--but he did then. Dogs are not a perdictable animal and people who think they are are blind. Don't get me wrong I love dogs there's just some of them that scare me to death. Especially around children--young children that don't truly understand animals.

[gunns733]

34. Thanks for bringing that point up

I am sure this mom knew whether or not the dog was being aggressive or playfull.

[hlthe2b]

19. IT WAS A LAB PUPPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

All puppies mouth and to someone who knows absolutely NOTHING about dogs might mistake this for biting, but they do it with a soft mouth. If they scratch you, it is purely by accident. LABS are not a breed that bites intentionally unless someone were intentionally mean to them.

GOD, I realize many people have never had dogs and really don't know... But, this lack of understanding is how these misunderstandings occur in the first place...............

[gunns733]

22. It doesn't matter.......

dogs shouldn't be biting 5 year old kids.

[jus_the_facts]

23. READ the article.....IT DID NOT BITE THE CHILD.....

:eyes:

[gunns733]

26. I misread the article...

But obviously the dog reacted in an aggressive manor around 5 year old children. I am not defending her but I am not defending the dog either, I would've took the owner of that dog to court and sued him for every penny he is worth and then ask for that dog to be locked up.

[hlthe2b]

32. you obviously have a very low level of understanding

of normal versus aggressive dog behavior. I must assume that you have never spent much time around dogs or perhaps had an unfortunate encounter with a dog in your past. Either way, I feel very sorry for you, as you are missing a lot IMO. I do hope you personally stay away from dogs, since you are likely to mistake ANY behavior as aggressive towards you, and thus become part of the "problem."

[gunns733]

35. Listen

I don't understand Panther behavior either but I wouldn't want an aggressive Panther around 5 year old children. I haven't spent much time around dogs, I do not hurt dogs if that is what you mean by your last sentance.

[hlthe2b]

38. that's what I thought...

and, you proved my point, gunns733. EOM

[hlthe2b]

27. Gunns733, please read the article...

your defense of this woman is based on a misunderstanding of the facts.

[gunns733]

29. I am not defending her

I am not defending the dog also.

[DrWeird]

70. I work as a sound technician at a waste treatment facility.

And I've heard some stupid fucking shit in my life time, but this really takes the cake.

Listen, dogs have these things called claws. When they get friendly, they jump on you. And sometimes the claws can scratch.

It's not nearly as bad as what a cat will do to you. Or a parrot.

Furthermore, the average 5-year-old has more bruises and picked scabs that the entire X-games.

Any body who would do anything more than spank this dog is a cruel sick piece of shit. This dumb bitch needs to be sent up stream for a long, long time.

[Guaranteed]

56. Yeah a very cute dog, I'm sure

But you weren't there- it sounds like the lady thought the dog really attacked her child, and then her. It's entirely conceivable.

[commander bunnypants]

11. I read the story

sounds like she will do some time.

DDQM

[VermontDem2004]

12. This is terrible

I gave my dogs a treat not like they deserved it, but something inside me made me give my dogs a treat because their are people in this world like this. I can't tell you how I would feel if someone done this to either of my dogs.

[LoZoccolo]

37. After getting bit by a doberman, St. Bernard, Irish setter...

...I can honestly say I feel a bit more sympathy for the woman the the rest of you. Yeah it's gross what she did when she started dragging it. But when some dog's running around the neighborhood and bit your kid and it's still running around I'd like to see what any of you would do. If it was a child molester she did this to some of you'd be like "hey way to go". Wait until some dog runs up and attacks you and you don't know if it's gonna grip your throat in it's jaw or something. Then imagine if it was your five year-old kid.

I think it's irresponsible to have a dog big enough to kill someone as a pet. Clue to all these people that like to have huge dogs: some of your friends don't like to come to your house. They don't trust you when your dog is about to jump them and you say "oh, he won't bite". I shouldn't even have to address leg-humping behavior. You should thank me for telling you this - this could be your only opportunity to know these things. They'd just as soon not deal with it.

And yeah, you can infer it was running around loose if she went and tied another rope to it's collar.

It might sound like I'm trying to disrupt, but this is really how you feel when dealing with people's irresponsibility.

[gunns733]

43. I totally agree

n/t

[VermontDem2004]

45. You actually have sympathy for the woman?

Toney said several of the children allegedly saw Fowler take a hammer out of her vehicle, and hit the dog on the head and body. Toney said she then allegedly tied the dog to the rearview mirror and dragged it down the road, running over its head.

Come on, this is just flat out wrong considering that the dog didn't even BITE her kid and didn't even break the skin.

[jus_the_facts]

47. Yes please read my post #46....thanks.....

;-)

[LoZoccolo]

48. She had a choice.

The choice was - does she let the loose dog run around and attack someone else, possibly another small child, or does she courageously confront this menace, risking her own safety, for the sake of the neighborhood's safety.

I'm not defending gratuitous torture of animals, but you have to realize, if someone wants to cause a safety hazard to their neighborhood, other people will protect themselves from that hazard. I don't know why or if she thought the dragging was any less dangerous to her than dealing with the dog face-to-face, but she did try to deal with the situation more humanely at first before she got bitten.

The reason I brought up the thing about how people wouldn't say this stuff if it had been a child molester is that many people would understand, would sympathize, with someone who'd take revenge on behalf of their child in that case - I don't know why they wouldn't sympathize at all here.

I don't see how people can go on and on about how this woman should know so much about dog behavior to know it's not a threat and all that. If a huge corporation would have plunked down an environmental hazard in someone's neighborhood, you wouldn't hold everybody accountable for knowing that they should wear a chemical protection mask if they're going to be outside the house for more than thirty minutes and all that, or that they should teach their kids not to play in the puddles of toxic sludge. Yes it's a matter of degree, but people here are not seeing there's still accountability for putting a hazard in a residential area.

[VermontDem2004]

49. First of all

Nothing in the article indicates that the dog was a menace and attacking children. She was obviously overreacting besides the killing the dog thing, she was getting ready to take her kid to the hospital over a minor scratch that didn't even break the skin. She didn't try to deal with the situation humanely read the article. Fowler told police she put the child in her car to take him to the emergency room, and pulled over when she saw the dog.

Fowler told police she went into a rage, according to police reports. When she tried to tie a rope to the dog's collar, reports stated, the dog bit her.

Toney said several of the children allegedly saw Fowler take a hammer out of her vehicle, and hit the dog on the head and body. Toney said she then allegedly tied the dog to the rearview mirror and dragged it down the road, running over its head.


She did not try to handle the situation humanely. The dog was NOT a harzard, hell my dog is playfull and likes to jump on people and probaly would've gave that kid a MINOR scratch by jumping on the kid.

[jus_the_facts]

50. well some people concider their pets as children too.....

......so I guess if a bully child should have undergone the same treatment...we're talking about taking a LIFE in a grotesque way IN FRONT OF CHILDREN....there's just no excuse IMHO...no matter how you try to intellectualize it.

[VermontDem2004]

51. Yeah

There are lots of times when smart ass kids bully dogs but if someone caught a kid messing with his dog and he banged that kid with a hammer and tied the kid up to his truck and ran his head over, that dog owner would likely get life in prison, but killing a dog she would at the maximum get 10 years in prison which is unlikely to happen.

[foxy]

53. Is there a leash law where this happened?

[VermontDem2004]

55. So what if there was?

[foxy]

59. OK they are both negligent

The owner for not having the dog confined and the mother because she should not have taken it upon herself to catch the dog but she should have gone and notified the owner instead.

[VermontDem2004]

61. Well I thought you were going to use that for defending the mothers action

But sometimes dogs escape, my dad's dog found a way to escape while he was at work and got ran over by a truck.

[foxy]

63. No I'm through defending either of them

It is getting to tense in here for me. I think I'll go to the movies and see Brother bear instead.

Bye yawl.

[corarose]

68. GET REAL!

THE F*CKING B*TCH IS A KILLER AND SHE NEEDS TO GO TO JAIL. WHAT THE HELL DID HER BRAT DO TO THE "PUPPY" IN THE FIRST PLACE.

POOR PUPPY! I HOPE THE WHITE TRASH BIMBO GETS PUT IN JAIL WITH AN ANIMAL LOVER THAT HAS NO HOPE OF GETTING OUT AND SHE GETS HER ASS KICKED.

[hlthe2b]

54. No offense, Just_the_Facts, but I sort of hope this thread..

gets locked soon.

As one who has devoted much of their life to the welfare of animals, it so saddens me to see the few people here who defend this woman's actions. While I certainly understand the reaction of those who may have had unfortunate encounters with dogs in the past, usually as a child-- which would surely color their current views-- others, are responding similarly, simply because they've never been "dog people"-- never spent time with dogs and thus have no understanding of them.

Yet, these same individuals, who know the least about animal behavior are the most vocal and adamant in defending this woman's actions. It is wrenching for us, who know dogs, dog behavior, breed-specific-behavior, and (equally important) have actually read the article and the facts contained within.

So, this is my last post on the subject and I hope that those who are inherently "anti-dog" will try to understand (and be sensitive to the fact) that this is a very emotional thing for the majority of DUers reading this thread.

[Guaranteed]

57. Hey...all I'm saying is that we don't know what happened.

It's entirely possible the woman went over the edge. But, it's also possible that the dog attacked her child. None of us know what really happened, but I feel a duty to counterbalance those who would just jump on the "It's only a cute puppy!" bandwagon. That's IT.

[jus_the_facts]

58. well I'll say it again...a life was taken in a grotesque way in front....

.....of children...there IS NO EXCUSE for the way the woman reacted...the owners of the dog prolly concidered it as much a part of their family as a child....just becasue it's a dog doesn't make it any less of a life being...beat with a hammer...strangled...dragged...then it's brains splattered under a tire.

[VermontDem2004]

60. The dog didn't attack her kid

If you read the article the kid got a very minor scratch that didn't even the break the skin, it wasn't like the mother had to pull her kid away from the dog. The kid went home! He was probaly crying, I know 5 year olds who cry because they bump their head or something minor. The mother obviously overreacted, I mean getting ready to take her kid to the hospital for a minor scratch, and then going buck wild when she sees the dog. She was completely out of line, the dog dies over a minor scratch.

[buddhamama]

62. it was a puppy !

i've had Labs, they are the sweetest dogs.


*gawd* forbid she the take her kids inside.
she obviously knew where the owners lived, why didn't she try contacing them by phone to come and get the dog, she could have done any number of things than what she did.

a puppy is not that much different than a baby. they are playful, get excited and can be hard to calm down.
but it was a puppy! a playful puppy!

:cry:

[hlthe2b]

64. A note on one of the more provocative posters in this thread...

seems he was intentionally inciting/inflaming and now gone to that tombstone in the cyberspace (gunns733).

I wondered at the time... It sure didn't take him/her long to show true colors.

[jus_the_facts]

65. I thought that's what was goin' on....

....just didn't say it in so many words earlier today. ;-)

[hlthe2b]

66. yes.... I always try to err on giving benefit of the doubt...

but the one-sided nature of his/her argument was telling...

[Robb]

67. I'm amazed, frankly...

...an 8-month old lab puppy could make a mark on a person's arm (re: the bite marks reported), even when threatened with its own death.

Rest in peace, little doggy. And child services, get on the stick!

[jus_the_facts]

69. no doubt....if she'd do something like this to a puppy.....

....there's no telling what she'd do to another person. :scared: