What would you do now that Franks said the Constitution wont live

[Socialist Christian]

he said it couldnt survive a wmd attack
http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=232282&mesg_id=232282



I honestly think hes right, i know im a huge dystopia paranoid and non violent. But after such books and films as The handmaids tale, 1984,we, brave new world, darkness at noon. We know that the right specifically the Christian right will be all powrerful come an attack. I am disgusted about blind leadership during times of crisis. After 9/11 bush had an approval rating of 110% (how does that happen) on the 12th and it settled at 90%. Now my question being what would you do? me i have a grand fear of being a hypocrite, i've always verbalised my opinion that the human race has no backbone. If in america and throughout the world people realized they are all powerful, the world could be a utopia. There is no reason in a country of 1.2 billion that a government of under 10 million with fear supporters still has the power they usurped. Would this be a jeremiah (showtime tv show) type apoclypse. Would you fight? or would you go when they called you for a draft? Would you rapidly make your way with your family out of the country? There are alot of different answers. I think it needs to be rapted because the way things are going.................

[onebigbadwulf]

1. Resign from the presidency before the public catches on

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[davhill]

2. The Golden age of Democracy

In Athens only lasted some sixty years. We've already had a pretty good run. Time to return to the tryany which is humanity's normal mode of governence.

[ClintonTyree]

3. I'm already.........

hastening my plans to leave the country. I see a bleak future for the United States, even the world for that matter. I would rather ride out the storm in a much more isolated (at least politically) place. Some island in the Carribean I believe.

[Dookus]

4. this lifelong pacifist

would take up arms.

I believe the creation of this nation was the epitome of enlightened thinking. It pains me greatly to realize that its destruction will not come from external enemies, but from within.

But I'll go down fighting the sons of bitches.

[Mikimouse]

5. Don't ever underestimate pacifists

I would be right there beside you. Nothing more dangerous than an armed pacifist with a mission.:evilgrin:

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

9. Just read about Sgt Alvin York in WWI

A paficist and CO, who finally decided to join the Army, became a big hero in the war, came home and went back to farming and pacifism.

[madddog]

7. Aha....

you've finally seen what the 2nd Amendment is really all about...well done!

[Padraig18]

10. I would be in arms, too!

And I'm NOT a pacifist; in fact, I am well-armed. :hi:

[amber dog democrat]

6. All Empires

have a life cycle. Ours will too. It feels like we are becoming a new Roman Empire.
Even Benjaman Franklin fortold this would happen to the US.

For now, the idea is to stay under the radar. Fly low and make plans to leave before its too late. That said, I am certain that one can still have a marginally safe life even in a system of political upheaval. But where are the analogies?

I know I would not fight to defend the current regime - unless its confronted by something many times worse. I think the golden age of American Democracy is ending. Something worse is going to replace it but how bad will it be ?

I still think we have safeguards and institutions in place that can check or have a braking effect on the most radical negative changes. Its the slow errosion - transformation process that concerns me. Many people won't know anything until its already happened.

[Socialist Christian]

8. i agree<nt>

[Bucky]

13. You are wrong in three ways:

You are wrong in three ways:
1) Dead wrong,
2) damn wrong, and
3) tongue-kissing Grandma wrong.

Our democracy, for all its corruptions and imperfections, has long since outlived any life-expectancy that Franklin, Madison, or Washington had for it. Washington assumed the Constitution would last a generation, 20 to 30 years, and then a replacement would be put together. Madison thought that the onset of urbanization would lead to a corruption of the working classes and an eventual Levelist (ie, communist) uprising. Their dear friend and intellectual equal Gouverneur Morris thought there'd eventually be an American Cromwell, a dictator who would end the great republican experiment.

All three of them were wrong, as wrong as you and Ben Franklin are, in thinking that our democracy is destined to end. It has changed and will continue to evolve, but there was never a Golden Age of democracy (human nature is too cantankerous to allow a true Golden Age when the general mass of people are empowered to rule) and there may never be such a thing.

Jefferson thought that agrarian democracy would be the perfect form of popular rule and that it would take a hundred generations to fully settle the country between the Appallachian Mountains and the Mississippi River. He was wrong as well. As it turns out, Americans are far more fond of the balance between perfect liberty and perfect security that we've found. We meet new challenges all the time, but the system as a whole is far more than simply capable of sustaining itself.

Tommy Franks and extreme pessimists may think that the rule of law is teetering on the edge of the abyss. But history shows time and again that all democracy needs to work is an electorate educated enough to not put up with too much bullshit.

[Bucky]

11. with all DUE respect to Tommy Franks

He's full of shit. If terrorists did a smack down on one of our cities, we'd be pissed certainly. A few wack jobs on DU might say Bush/BFEE/PNAC was behind it (but since Valerie Plame, the tinfoilers don't suspect the CIA no more--how fashions do change). We'd probably bomb somebody and crack down on civil liberties in some irrelevant manner.

I think we'd all be reminded who the hell is the real enemy. We might learn it was disgruntled Iraqis, touching off a debate between Democrats shouting "look what you idiots fuckin' did" and Republicans squealing "see, I told you so!"

But we wouldn't lose our Constitution over it. I don't believe a thing Tommy "Clark had character issues" Franks on anything. He's a right bastard (pun intended) and clearly doesn't understand the resiliance of our democracy. After every Red Scare, after every McCarthyistic spazz attack, we always snap back to sanity. We're doing that right now from the Patriot Act extremeties and we'll snap back from the next explosion of mass hysteria. That's part of the American cycle.

If you read American history you'll understand just to what extent Tommy Franks is full of horse pucky.

[roguevalley]

12. Move to Iraq. I hear they have one there. :(

That and lay in some ammo.

NOT FROM MY COLD DEAD FINGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RV, suddenly feeling the urge to part the Red Sea ...

[SOteric]

14. With all due respect, I disagree with General Franks.

If civil war did not destroy the constitution then I'm dubious that a successful terrorist strike could achieve that aim.

Moreover, our nature as a group of united states would signigicantly defray the impact on the nation as a whole.