Semi-Serious "Who Killed JFK?" Poll

[joeybee12]

I really think it's number seven--Oswald was set up by Cuban exiles and the Mafia--how else do you explain Bobby's murder later? There was some CIA involvement in that they screwed up royally, and files on Oswald disappeared after the assasination to Cover Their Asses.

Anyone else I've missed--please include in other.

[xJlM]

1. Unknown

One thing is for sure, there was a conspiracy. But who could have accomplished the total botching of the investigation, the appointment of the Warren Commission, the wrecking of the autopsy, and the murder of most of the witnesses whose story differed from the fiction given us by "our" government?

[joeybee12]

2. Is that a rhetorical question, or do you mean the CIA?

The problem with ever finding out the truth is that those in authority trust those in authority--i.e., the mainstream media has consoistently gone to great lengths to buy the official Warren Commission explanation--witness ABC's whitewash the other night.

[xJlM]

3. I don't know the answer

And I doubt anyone ever will. Anyone not inside a certain circle, anyway.

[joeybee12]

4. Thsoe who voted other--you've got some 'splainnin' to do!

In memory of the Cuban connection--ai-yi-yi-yi-yi!

[PDittie]

5. I voted other but it's really a combo of #1 and #6

...with the plausible deniability of other elements within the federal and Texas state government.

from http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/index1.htm

"The murder of John F. Kennedy was a conspiracy.

James Earl Files, in association with Charles Nicoletti and John Rosselli, were sent to Dallas by Sam Giancana, head of the Chicago mob and a known CIA covert operative, David Atlee Phillips.
The CIA and Mafia had full knowledge of the hit and CIA covert operatives were actively involved.

John Rosselli was flown into Dallas on a CIA supported Military Air Transport flight co-piloted by Robert Tosh Plumlee.

Charles Nicoletti was driven into Dallas from the Grace Ranch in Arizona by Chauncey Holt.

David Atlee Phillips of the CIA orchestrated Oswald and possibly an unknown third party who was to have eliminated Oswald but who killed Officer J.D. Tippit instead. This man's identity is unknown."

[BayCityProgressive]

6. Does anyone think

Castro killed him? Afterall, he may have been a little bitter after Kennedy tried killing him so many times.

[joeybee12]

7. Doubt Castro would have had the ability or contacts within this country

Besides, he probably knew there were enough people who now hated both him and Kennedy.

Amazing after all these years trying to oust Castro, he's still goin'!

[PDittie]

8. Here's a bit that blames LBJ

from Scott McClellan's pop:

"The father of the White House press secretary claims in his upcoming book, "Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK", that former President Lyndon B. Johnson was behind the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Barr McClellan, father of White House press secretary Scott McClellan and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Mark McClellan, is preparing for a Sept. 30 release of a 480-page book by Hannover House that offers photographs, copies of letters, insider interviews and details of fingerprints as proof that Edward A. Clark, the powerful head of Johnson's private and business legal team and a former ambassador to Australia, led the plan and cover-up for the 1963 assassination in Dallas.

<snip>

McClellan said he includes information in the book that alludes to Johnson's role in the assassination. An example is a story that was told to him by the late Martin Harris, former managing partner at the law firm, as told to Harris by Clark.

McClellan writes in his book that in a 1961 meeting on Johnson's ranch outside Johnson City, Texas, Johnson gave Clark a document that may have helped the assassin:

"Johnson suddenly let Clark go. `That envelope in the car,' he said quietly, almost an afterthought, `is yours.' Stepping toward the car, he muttered, `Put it to good use.' He turned, putting his arms across Clark's shoulders, pulling him along, (and) the two walked toward the convertible.

"As they drove back to the ranch, Clark opened the envelope. It contained the policy manual for protection of the president."

(Above from Hye Jeong of Knight-Ridder Newspapers, 8/21/03)

[grannylib]

9. I think it took cooperation between Johnson, the Secret Service and

others...SS men waved off the presidential limo; secret meetings with Johnson and Texas $$/Crime families; fingerprint in TBD of guy who killed LBJs sister (and got off w/suspended sentence)...
so call me a conspiracy theorist; nothing about "Oswald alone" makes any sense whatsoever...

[joeybee12]

10. Jack Ruby is the "Rosetta Stone" of the case

To quote someone else.

His role makes no sense other than to shut Oswald up. Did anyone see the Frontline show on Oswald this past week--basically an old show. Had the guy who wrote Case Closed, who tries to defend the Warren Commission. The guy goes to great lengths to explain that Ruby had worked himself into a frenzy and that's why he killed Oswald--the weakest part of the Case Closed's guy's defense--the Warren Commission report falls apart because it doesn't look at Ruby.

[PDittie]

13. G. Robert Blakey said that

"In 1977, G. Robert Blakey, who had worked on (RFK)'s "Get Hoffa" team (at the Dept. of Justice), was named chief counsel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, the only government panel besides the Warren Commission to investigate JFK's murder. Blakey, an organized crime expert who wrote the 1970 RICO act, would go into the two-year, $6 million probe believing the committee would reach the same conclusions as the Warren Commission. He would emerge as the Warren Report's most authoritative critic and a firm believer that Kennedy had died as the result of a conspiracy, masterminded by (New Orleans mob boss Carlos) Marcello and his Mafia ally, Santo Trafficante, the Florida godfather who had been driven out of the lucrative Havana casino business by Castro and who had been recruited in the CIA plot to kill the Cuban leader."

Here's what he has to say about Ruby:

"Blakey believes that Oswald was supposed to be silenced by the second shooter as he emerged from the Book Depository in police custody -- but he eluded both the police and his executioner, who was likely one of Trafficante's Cuban henchmen. So the Mafia conspirators behind the assassination drafted Ruby to do the job. "Ruby was always a wannabe around organized crime. He knew the Mob leaders in Dallas, Joe Civello and Joe Campisi, both of whom were connected to Marcello. The night before the assassination, Ruby met with Campisi" -- who later visited him in jail.

"Now put yourself in Ruby's position," continued Blakey. "The Mafia comes to you, Campisi says, 'I want you to kill Oswald' -- what are Ruby's choices? At that point he knows there was a conspiracy involving the Mob to kill the president. So he either does it or he's dead. It's just that simple. And the deal is, look, you do this for us and we'll take care of you down the line. Plus, you'll be one of us, which is what he's always wanted to be. And he probably won't be executed for the crime, it'll be murder without malice, he'll do some years and then walk out a hero."

"Now what was Ruby's conduct during his interrogation by the Warren Commission? He's saying loud and clear, 'Get me out of here -- take me to Washington.' Why? Because the local cops are corrupt and he knows it. If he were to say something there to investigators and it got out, he could be killed right in jail. So when he's interviewed by the Warren Commission, he says, 'I'll tell you the whole truth if you take me to Washington.' He was pleading with them, but they paid no attention to it.""

excerpted from Salon.com:

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/11/22/conspiracy/index1.html

[joeybee12]

17. He makes a powerful case

[cosmicdot]

11. breaking story: Oswald's brother says Oswald did it

of course, I, personally, find something peculiar about this being put forth 40 years later in a news article

NBC = GE
Robert Oswald wrote a book ... buy my book? hmmmm.
'Brother, you won't find anything there.' - what does that mean?
"was basically saying `I'm smarter than you. You gotta catch me.'" - that's an opinion of Robert's RE Lee saying he was a patsy


Oswald's Brother: Was No JFK Conspiracy



November 22, 2003 11:30 AM EST


NEW YORK - The shooting of President John F. Kennedy was not a political conspiracy but an almost spontaneous act by a troubled man who wanted attention, the brother of Lee Harvey Oswald says.

~snip~

"There was no conspiracy," Robert Oswald told NBC. "He made those decisions within himself."

~snip~

"If you go right down the line and look at it, all the facts will point to Lee's involvement. Lee actually committed the crime, period," Robert Oswald told ABC.

~snip~

"The reason Lee went after the president is because of opportunity and no other. If he wasn't working where he was working or if the president's car wasn't going by there at that particular time, it wouldn't have happened. It wasn't a master plan or anything. There's no shadowy figures out there. He wanted to be somebody and this opportunity came about coincidentally, nothing planned, nothing organized."

Asked about his brother's denial after his arrest, Robert Oswald, who wrote "Lee: A Portrait of Lee Harvey Oswald" but rarely gives interviews, said his brother "was basically saying `I'm smarter than you. You gotta catch me.'"

~snip~

"I was looking into his eyes, searching for some sign," Robert Oswald told NBC. "And he just looked back at me, and finally he said, 'Brother, you won't find anything there.' And he was absolutely correct. there was no emotion. There was no flicker in the eye."

http://start.earthlink.net/newsarticle?cat=6&aid=D7UVOU1O0_story

I think Oswald was telling the truth ... he was set up as the patsy.

[joeybee12]

16. You're not gonna find many people who say Oswald DIDN'T pull the trigger

But was there other involvement--absolutely.

I can see how people might think Oswald might have done it alone--he is the type to do such a thing. HOWEVER, once you go below the surface a little, you realize there's more to it than meets the eye.

Besides, why do some people have a problem with even CONSIDERING that it might be a conspiracy and a planned hit by powerful interests? that's the history of civilization, and that's what the powerful have alwasy done, and always will do. No, we really aren't that more civilized than our ancestors.

[CanuckAmok]

12. American Millinary Association

Because Kennedy single-handedly made men's hats unfashionable in Western society.

on edit: notice how it was a head shot. Coincidence? Nothing says "shoulda been wearing a hat" like a clean, long-range head-shot. Kennedy was even presented with a 10 gallon hat upon arrival in Texas. He quipped, "I'll wear it later", thereby sealing his fate. Even Connoly, who usually wore a hat, was holding his hat at the time.

[cosmicdot]

14. what is included with BFEE? CIA? key liaisons? minor players?

Ruth Forbes Paine who got Oswald the Book Depository job? ... George De Mohrenshildt ... Allen Dulles and General Charles Cabell (brother of Earl Cabell, the mayor of Dallas) ... the hobos in the railroad yard .... or assume just about anyone the "BFEE" got to coooperate, e.g., mafia connections ???


too many 'witnesses' died IMO for a dead Oswald to be concerned about

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

15. And why can't GHWB 41 remember where he was on 11/22/63

when everyone else in the Western Hemisphere can?

Because he can't say where?
Because he was running the op from a safe house nearby?

We will never know.

[JohnKleeb]

18. Something was up or Poppy had a little too much

Or maybe something was up, I dont have a clue but Poppy could have been involved.