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Darth_Ole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:20 AM
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Modern music sucks.
There, I said it. And it's the truth. (And this is coming from someone of the younger generation)

Go back to the 60's/70's.. Ah, Simon & Garfunkel, Jim Croce, The Beach Boys, Bob Dylan, The Beatles. The good ol' days- talented songwriters, good singers, clever melodies, and meaningful lyrics.

Hell, go further back than the 60's. The early part of the 20th century produced people like Glenn Miller and George Gershwin.

But like the topic says, not only is past music better, but modern music sucks.

First of all, there's no talent. Any moron with two hands can play a power chord. And what do people do now if their drummer sucks? Let a computer do it! Where has all the talent gone?

Also, I could pull better lyrics out of my ass.
"I get knocked down, but I get up again. You're never gonna get me down." or how about "Guess who's back? Back again? Shady's back. Tell a friend."

A far cry from Blowin' in the Wind of Sounds of Silence.

I've heard people complain that someone isn't a good rapper because they can't keep the beat. I know rappers aren't generally known as musicians, but is that all it takes to be considered a gifted singer today? To be able to keep the beat?

Shit, I'll crank up the Johann Strauss before I listen to stuff that wins Grammys nowadays.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:24 AM
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1. You're just listening to the wrong music.
Stop eating what the big labels serve up. There is a TON of great music out there that the suits at the record companies and Clear Channel have no clue about.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:29 AM
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2. Every era has its musical talents and its hacks

For all the great music the decade produced, your venerated 1960s also regurgitated tons of musical garbage. Remember Bobby Vinton? "The Ballad of the Green Berets?" "Honey?" All those schlocky teen death-rock songs that came out between about 1960 and '64?

And don't even get me going on all the bullshit music that came out of the '70s! B.J. Thomas? Bread? Neil Diamond? Olivia Newton-John? Donny and Marie? Debby Boone? Disco?

I'll take techno, gangsta rap, and grunge over that white-bread dreck from the so-called "good old days" any damned time!
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:22 AM
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18. Exactly -- the music of yester-year always is better because the dreck
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 10:24 AM by Vitruvius
of yesteryear has been forgotten.

Even classical music -- if you went back to the 18th & 19th century, you'd find that most classical music stank -- the Mozarts, Bachs, Beethovens, Schuberts were few-and-far between; the Salieris and worse were everywhere.

As for material artifacts -- most "old-time craftsmanship" stank -- the antiques we have are well-built because the junk fell apart years ago... And the quick & cheap junk always was the majority of production...

As for politics -- we remember (and are taught) the good things the "founding fathers" did -- while forgetting that many of them were slave-driving land-stealing genocidal racists with a talent for political graft & pork. Remember -- Bu$h is very much a child of the upper classes that have been abusing us and our country every chance they got for 200+ years.
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Leftist78 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:30 AM
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3. Different strokes I guess
I believe it's pretty easy to look around hear a few things and say that an entire generation of music is bad. It's harder to look for something that appeals to you today. I guess only listening to old stuff is safer.

If you want some more modern folky type stuff I'd suggest Uncle Tupelo's March 16-20, 1992. it's not brand new, but it is newer.

BTW, I listen to music from the 20's to some stuff that came out a few weeks ago.
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HamstersFromHell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:32 AM
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4. Blame the recording industry.
I don't think *all* music nowdays sucks, but it has (IMNSHO) declined as far as talent.

It seems nowdays music isn't produced to be an artform, but as a commodity. Much like TV, someone comes up with a "formula" - something that sells a bit - and all the other competitors are screaming "Hey! Me too!"

I once swore I'd not be like my parents, but some 10 years ago I caught myself muttering "I don't see what kids nowdays hear in this new music." and for a second, I thought I needed to slash my wrists...I'd become my parents! Then I realized I was (at least to myself) right. I grew up in a musical family, I played saxophone myself, so I hope that explains in part my appreciation of a lot of different kinds of music...it's not easy to perform, much less to write *good* music.


Hammies!
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:57 AM
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10. Amen!
There's music, and there's the business of music.

Buddy Holly and Elvis shocked my parents. For a while, anyway, until they realized they weren't so bad after all. They still retreated to Peggy Lee and mourned the demise of "Your Hit Parade" and Ed sullivan, to say nothing of Lawrence Welk. They kinda got the Beatles, for a while, but never, ever, could deal with the Stones or the Dead. Dylan? Ha!

Shirelles, James Brown? I don't think they ever heard of them.

The shock threshold has been raised over the years, but the record companies are in the business of moving music, not making good music, and they produce the music that moves. That it doesn't move ME is not their concern.

I had one of theose "behind the scenes" things on in the background a while back, and Shania Twain was coming our with a new album. The "committee" went over more than a hundred songs for that album looking for guaranteed hits. Had to really move that new CD to keep her on the charts. She didn't seem to care what she was singing, or who the band was-- just leave it up to the experts.

And what the hell happened to Jazz?

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david_vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:35 AM
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5. Don't get me started!
You're preachin to the choir. The Grammys are in the same boat as Rolling Stone - completely irrelevant for oh, about 30 years now. A strut in the sun for industry's poodles.
BTW, if you like good singer/songwriter stuff with meaningful, even profound, lyrics, you should check out this guy, Phil Ochs.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 08:46 AM
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13. The Grammys Are So Polarized It's Hysterical
I've lost count of the 'me too' categories.

Looking back to the 1970s, the biggest crime against the art of popular music was the ghettoization that started with the all-hallowed underground rock format and consolidated with Lee Abrams and the "superstars" format.

Rick Dees thought he was soooo cool for the Disco Sucks movement, the truth is he was responsible for helping the radio and record industry break us all down into "demos."

From there we went to country formats, to CHR, to urban, to alternative (which in its early stages 1981-1984 was much like a revival of unghettoized top 40), to alternative rock, to urban contemporary to urban R & B, to modern country, to traditional country .. and so on.

When I was in my teens we used to complain about Paul Williams taking the Best Pop Song Grammy. Things really haven't changed that much.

And when you have a "Best Album" category with nominees that are all from ghettoized formats, you can't complain when your ratings fall through the floor as the telecast's have for the last several years. Do they really think Dixie Chicks fans give a flying fuck about Eminem? Or that Eminem fans give a damn about Norah Jones, whose fans wouldn't care for Nelly? etc, etc.
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koopie57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:38 AM
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6. I understand where you are coming from...
we are use to beautiful lyrics like what we find in Stairway to Heaven, and Queen ..... and Simon and Garfunkle..... so much of this modern rap type of music does seem ugly to my ears.....but.....I think that it is just different. I have tried to listen to it...and if you go beyond the lyrics about bitch and fuck and suck...all that stuff...you do find music that is important. Just like in the days of Queen and Simon and Garfunkle...you do need to go past the top 40's. But, I do know what you are talking about.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:44 AM
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7. Music is in a rut
There hasn't been anything 'new' in years.

It's the same old stuff...along with the same old gimmicks...we seem to have had forever.

Personally I listen to world music...some interesting stuff being done there. New sounds, new ideas, new directions.

Not just rehashed 60's crap for a change.

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BigBen Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 02:30 AM
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8. BAAAAAAAAH.
I hate posts like this. Do you ever listen to Radiohead? Sigur Ros? Godspeed! You Black Emperor? Sufjan Stevens? The Flaming Lips? Dizee Rascal? Asian Dub Foundation? I could name hundreds -- they're just not on MTV or the radio.

And why is a type of music lacking because it's made with a computer? By your own logic, wouldn't the "brilliant" guitar-based music of the 60's/70's pale in comparison to complex compositions by Mozart or Strauss, which certainly take more talent to write and play than "Blowin in the Wind"?

Don't want to sound like I'm dissin Dylan or the Beatles (not too sure about Croce though) :) I just think labelling the music of an entire generation as something that "sucks" is being a little closed-minded.

Of course it's all relative anyways. But I certainly can't argue with the blantant crappiness of the Grammys.
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Zuni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 02:53 AM
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9. I blame it on digital/hip hop/ metal/alternative
Those genres, since the disco era, have warped music to the nth degree. I can't listen to much music nowadays at all. Give me some Otis Redding, Buddy Guy, Muddy Waters etc. It is all downhill from the 70s.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 06:53 AM
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11. Are you asking to be taken seriously?
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 07:19 AM by greyl
I hope not.

If your ideas of modern music are created by the nominations and winners of the Grammys, you have immediately placed yourself into the categories of "too dull to realize what real art is" and " I disqualify myself from the process of evolution".

Is that what you're saying to us? I freakin hope that that isn't what you're saying, for your sake, and for the sake of modern musicians everywhere.


Ah, but maybe you should only re-word your premise as such: "The music that Music Corporations tell me I should like, I find myself hating instead."

Fuckin A, there are so many (millions of) talented musicians on the planet with the tools to produce music, that it is really a dim apprehension to conclude that modern music sucks.

You just hate the music corporations, right?
You haven't really had the priviledge of hearing modern music, ...
Correct?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:52 AM
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14. the Industry's Latest Gambit
You may have noticed this; what they're doing now for lesser-knowns is they'll release a single up to four months in advance of an album, and if it does well, they'll back the album. It's even better when the album is annoying as all hell.
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PeaceProgProsp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 07:33 AM
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12. Pick any album produced by David Fridmann in the last 7 years...
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:53 AM
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15. Here's what I did to solve
this kind of crankiness about music. I asked co-workers to recommend music to me (I always liked the music they were listening to...never knew what it was). They've loaned me CDs, made me duplicates..here's what I've got in my rotation right now: Sean Paul, Bif, The Royal Crowns, Rancid, Flaming Lips and Smash mouth.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:56 AM
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16. Try not listening to the top 40. It sucks.
There is plenty of recent music that is great, but you have to look for it.

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 11:22 AM
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23. Generally speaking, you are right....
Most popular modern music is based on what experienced Musicians call
"Garage Chords" ....simplistic chord patterns that a person with no
knowledge of music can "bang" there way through.
You hear this trash in everything from bands that play on ABC (Good Morning America) to Ads that are put out by folks whose knowledge of music is one tiny step above Mary had a little lamb.

The "dumbing down" of this country is more than just politics...it's also the entertainment field.

Years ago when our Band was auditioning Guitar players, 90% of the people we
tried out were fairly decent musicians.

Advertise for one (Guitar player) today and you'll get folks that will give you a
totally black look if you ask them to play an "Ab dim" chord.
Asked them to play a
F#7+5 chord and they'll run out the door! They have no idea what the hell you're talking about.

I don't mean that the average person has to know what these Chords are but Pal, if you call yourself a Musician, you better know more than what passes for Art on FM clear channel radio.
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HamstersFromHell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 11:51 AM
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26. 3 Chords.
Most popular modern music is based on what experienced Musicians call
"Garage Chords" ....simplistic chord patterns that a person with no
knowledge of music can "bang" there way through.


I still laugh when I recall a National Lampoon issue from ages ago where they "quoted" the Bay City Rollers as saying now that they had made one "hit" album, they'd locked themselves in the studio all winter and learned a 4th chord, so look for new album and tour in the spring.

A friend of mine, a damned good bass player who has a "musical pedigree" (dad was a drummer for a country music legend and mom is still an Opry star) once commenting that although the pay was good, he couldn't stand doing tours playing country music - or as he put it "eat shit" bass. Two notes all night long...said he'd stand there and play while singing the notes to himself.. "eat shit.....eat shit.....eat shit...."

Hammies!
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:24 PM
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32. LOL ...that's funny..
A true story:
I played with a country group for 2 months (great money) and one
night on the last set (1:30 AM) we got through with a song and the bass player was still playing!
We looked over across the stage and the Fucker had fallen asleep!
I mean, Geez...talk about Easy Playing! I'll never forget that.

The thing I don't understand is so many modern young Rock and Rollers learn a few chords and then just stop their Musical training.
I mean, it would be like learning Spanish and after you've learned what
"Si" means and what "Casa" means you proudly proclaim: "Yea, I speak Spanish"....incredible.

AKA: Bay City Rollers...Funny!

One other quick thing....Once the teen magazine "16" announced that the "Archies" were breaking up.
AGGGGHHH! ...the "Archies" were studio musicians that changed with every song!....LOL!!
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HamstersFromHell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:50 PM
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41. That reminds me
I still remember having a discussion way back in high school about Jethro Tull, and someone overhearing us had to put their 2 cents in... "OH, HE'S GOOD!"

Mouth, meet foot...

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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:07 PM
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42. Yeah, But They're Three GOOD Chords
so speaketh the Ramone.
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:59 PM
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49. Complex chord changes does not a good song make
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 02:03 PM by YoungLiberal16
Knockin On Heavens Door has four chords G,D,C for the intro and chorus and G, D, Am, G,D,C for the verse. That's from one of the most respected artists of all time. He would probably look at you funny if you asked him to play a diminished chord.

Dylan used to get the same criticism all the time from the tin pan alley guys. He would respond "Look I can write a song with one chord! Look I can write a song with one note!"

The Beatles did write a song with one chord. Tomorrow Never Knows is in entirely in C.

F#7 with an added 5? Uhm F#7 already has a 5th in it. That's basic chord construction. You need the root, the 3rd degree, the 5th degree and the 7th degree. So F#, Bb, C#, E. It's just taking an F# and adding a 7th degree. Maybe you're using a form of notation I have never seen before but that's how I read it.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 02:19 PM
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51. Augment the 5th
F#,A#,D,E....You've hit on a sore point with me. :)
I can pick up one of 5 chord change books and the nomenclature (for the chords) will be different
for the same changes. I wish the hell that musicians would have a true "standard" for expressing chords...oh well...

"Complex chord changes does not a good song make"
Oh, I agree 100% (Look at some of the Crusaders stuff..with Joe Sample)...wonderful stuff...

I suppose I'm just tired of hearing songs and can write out the entire chord pattern before the song is even 1/4 way through.

I get the feeling, Young Liberal16, that we probably agree with 97% of what has been written on these posts (of ours)

We both may like Lobster but not the same exact flavorings....
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 02:40 PM
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52. Ah
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 02:47 PM by YoungLiberal16
I am almost a completely self taught musician. When I was in 7th grade (I'm in my second year of college now) I ordered Cream's Wheels Of Fire, Jimi Hendrix Experience "Ultimate Experience" and The Doors first album from Columbia House on a whim and I had to play guitar after hearing those albums! So from 7th grade until my sophmore year in high school I pretty much locked myself in my room with everything from Led Zeppelin to Grant Green and just picked things up on my own. I took formal lessons for about six months and then my guitar teacher quit and I did not like the guy who followed him so I quit. I did not learn how to sight read until my senior year of high school 2 years ago when I took a jazz combo class.

I taught myself theory from listening and asking people who knew about it. I think I've done pretty good for myself. Right now I'm trying to teach myself classical guitar but I'm failing miserably so I think it's time for lessons again.

I get where you're coming from though. I get more frustrated by the fact that some people don't CARE that they suck. They are not trying to be better musicians or evolve. They are happy making the same song over and over and over.

Of course what pisses me off more is when a band claims they "evovled" when in reality they are just ripping off another, lesser known, band. :coughcoughRADIOHEADcoughcough:

At least when Oasis' rips off the Beatles and T Rex they tell you to your face.
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 09:58 AM
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17. Don't blame the music blame the audience
As Norman Mailer says, "It take a great reader to make a great book"
Apply that to music and maybe the problem is that the contemporary audience is not comprised of great listeners.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:30 AM
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19. Perhaps the lack of music education in schools recently
has created a young audience willing to put up with "songs" that are nothing more than someone moaning tunelessly over a rhythm track.
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soupkitchen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 11:40 AM
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25. good point
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:33 AM
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20. brianjonestownmassacre.com
Just try it.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:40 AM
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21. I find I hardly listen to any post 1993 music.
It's all 60's-80's basically. Any modern good stuff takes too much effort to seek out for me at this point in life and the current popular music simply sucks. Sometimes I think all the good songs were already written.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 10:52 AM
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22. Anthony Hamilton has just redeemed R&B
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 10:54 AM by TroubleMan
I just got his album. It sounds like they plucked it right out of the 70's. His style is like a combination of Al Green and Sam Cooke, and his voice sounds a lot like Bill Withers. If you're a fan of soul or old school R&B like Al Green or Teddy P, then you're gonna like this album.

I don't like a lot of new R&B except for the neo-soul crowd (i.e. Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, D'Angelo, India Arie, ect), but Anthony Hamilton and Jaheim are making some good music.

Check out his site, you can listen to samples:

http://www.anthonyhamilton.com/ah-main.html

Love his voice.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 11:57 AM
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27. I love Anthony Hamilton's voice too, but the problem with
modern R&B is that the producers now control the methods of recording albums, and these producers are obsessed witht the latest studio gadgetry, including ProTools, Nuendo, Drumagog, etc. preventing any PLAYED music to get on to their artist's CD's. R&B and Hip Hop producers are responsible for the eclipse of PLAYED music, which is not a good thing. They do not let musicians into the studio to create backing tracks, instead relying on samples, loops, and computer created beats-it's a lot cheaper to create an R&B CD than a rock CD because there's no actual human involvement in the creation of the backing tracks, and therefore no uppity, pesky musicians demanding extra takes and per diems. Contrast the Stax/Motown method of producing music to the current Timbaland or whoever: whatever excitement that used to be there in the music is now encased in a digital iceberg. Hamilton should have kicked his producers out of the studio, hired a killer band, rehearsed them ruthlessly, and recored live to two track; as it stands, his album is uncomfortable to listen to for me- the raw emotion and power of that guy's voice sounds like a butterfly in a jar, struggling to fly out of its digital trap.

And I believe that you can extend that to most music being made today and it's still true. There are actual live musicians playing together in real time on a few albums these days: Frank Black and the Catholics' last few albums have all been recorded live to two-track analog, and they sound so kick-ass because of it. But for the most part, technology has killed whatever soul used to be present in R&B, rock, whatever. I personally refuse to pay for any record or CD which does not feature actual human musicians playing in real time; I can tell the difference, and I find the synthetic stuff very unpleasant to listen to.


Consult Joe Carducci's book "Rock and the Pop Narcotic" for any further reading.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:06 PM
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29. You know Al Green's new CD was made...
with his original band from the Hi Studio days. Next on my list to get.

Your right about the live band thing, but what's he gonna do? He's not gonna get an album at all if he doesn't concede to something like that this time. Maybe, if he gets big, he can demand something like that.

As a new artist the company's got you by the balls, and you just gotta do your best and go along.

His voice makes the album worth it, even if you don't like the digital music.
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:11 PM
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30. I picked it up last week
sooooooooo good. I would not be suprised if they came out next week and said "SUPRISE it was actually recorded in 1973" lol
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:19 PM
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31. Just found Anthony Hamilton "unplugged"
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:25 PM
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34. He did an unplugged?
That's great. Thanks for the link!
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:31 PM
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36. The comparison to Bill Withers is dead on
That laid back drawl that can just sooth yo soul! Anybody know how I can record these to audio tracks?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:24 PM
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33. If his album becomes successful,
then he might earn the cache with his label to tour with a live band, and I'm sure that'll be amazing, hearing a live band cooking behind Hamilton. But I doubt that when he returns to the studio, those musicians will be allowed to follow him. THus the wedge between Pop and what r&b used to be is allowed to further degrade the music. The imagined demands of the marketplace as translated by the producers....

First thing we do, let's kill all the producers.

And Al Green returning to the hot Willie Mitchell-assisted sound of his early records is indeed a wonderful thing; I'd been wishing for such a thing to happen since 1979. Now if only more musicians were to follow his lead and return to played music, I might help the record industry out of its slump by purchasing a few more albums.

As it so happens, this conversation is made more poignant because I'm listening to the Meters; Who can deny that the music made by the Meters in the 70's just plain SOUNDS better than modern R&B? They wouldn't stand a chance in today's marketplace; they don't feature a charismatic vocalist who looks good in videos and they enshrine the raw, unalloyed heat of collective music-making, which is anathema to the modern radio audience.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:35 PM
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37. We need to get Willie Mitchell together with Anthony Hamilton

I wouldn't even need to hear one song from that CD. I would just buy it.

Oh, and there is software to record streams, I'll find it in a little bit.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:38 PM
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38. Stream recorders

http://download.com.com/3120-20-0.html?qt=record+streams&tg=dl-2001


I knew I've seen them before. I haven't tried any yet, but at least one's gotta work good.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:39 PM
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39. Damn, that would be great!
I'd buy that CD in a heartbeat..........Anthony Hamilton really is an incredibly talented vocalist, he just needs a sympthetic producer.
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Monte Carlo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 11:38 AM
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24. Listen to The Darkness or the White Stripes then tell me that.
People won't put up with crap music forever. Eventually, good rock music will emerge.
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:06 PM
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28. Oh please
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 12:13 PM by YoungLiberal16
There's always been shitty music. It's just the cream always rises to the top.

For every Pet Sounds or Rubber Soul there was a Paul Anka album. For every Led Zeppelin there was a Grand Funk Railroad.

It's the same nowadays. For every POS act like Eminem there is an Outkast or Michael Franti. For every Simple Plan there is a Flaming Lips. You just have to know where to look.

If you think Dylan had commercial radio play in the 60s you apparently have not done your research. People who listened to Dylan did so because their friends turned them on to it not because it was played on Top 40 radio.

Also, stop comparing hip-hop to any other musical genre. It's like comparing apples to lawn furniture. Music is not a contest. Nothing is better than another. I used to think it was when I was younger but now I don't care that much anymore.

Go find a good indie record store then you will find good music.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:31 PM
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35. What you say is partially true but the fact remains...
..Ask 80% of the population what their favorite songs are and the answer will be the Drugs of Music. You may be hip but the majority of folks haven't a clue....
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 12:42 PM
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40. They didn't in the 60s either
In 1965 towards the end of Beatlemania in the US, and the rise of the total British Invasion, at the Beatles second show at Shea Stadium they started polling kids about who was better: Gerry and The Pacemakers or The Beatles. Now, this was pre-Rubbersoul/Revolver Beatles but the public said Gerry and The Pacemakers (good for Epstein though they were another NEMS act.) Hell you can see part of this in the Beatles Anthology.

The public has always been sheep blindly following the herd. Look at the period between the death of Buddy Holly and the Rise of the Beatles. Except for a few Motown acts music SUCKED!! Paul Anka, Pat Boone, Frankie and Annette movies :shudder: But nobody remembers them. I was gearing up to be a music major for two semesters but gave up because of the musical elitism present in the program. And this is coming from a guy who considers himself to be an elitist. Since then I've tried to be more musically open and I've realized there has ALWAYS been shitty music geared to the lowest common denominator. When rock n roll started being taken over by the corporate hacks who controlled Tin Pan Alley it became boring. The British Invasion and the counter culture changed all that. With the late 70s it fell into stagnation until punk kicked it's ass. The 80s had hair metal and shitty pop (but some great stuff like The Smiths and The Stone Roses) until grunge (which I dislike) came along and kicked it's ass. We're just about due for something good.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:30 PM
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46. I mainly agree but what I suppose I'm truly saying is this:
Even the people who I never cared for (the above mentioned. Pat Boone,
Paul Anka, Frankie Avalon) at least and I mean at the VERY least
sang in tune and hit the notes "right on".

I see groups live today on TV and in clubs where the Singer is singing so out of tune, I want to puke.
Last week on Good Morning America, I saw bands that played so #@%&*%# out of tune I was watching them with my mouth open.One Guitar player's E string was 1/4 step sharp on all 3 songs. There's just no excuse for that kind of crap.

It's not (just) the songs but the "musicianship" that has deteriorated to the bottom of the barrel.
Mind you, for Popular Music.
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:47 PM
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48. Uhm this has happened for ages
The Beatles were CONSTANTLY out of tune. I use them as an example a lot because

A) They are my favorite band and
B) Because they were/are highly respected

Go find a Beatles boot called Live At The Star Club. It's terrible quailty (to be expected) and the band was off key quite a bit but the ENERGY of it is what made it great.

Have you ever played in a live setting outdoors (which most GMA sets are.) IT SUCKS!! You can't hear yourself (even with good monitors,) you can't hear your bandmates you can only hear one loud shitty hum. Even if it was a band I did not like I would empathize with them especially if they were on live TV. Everyone has bad days. Just listen to most of the Hendrix Live At Berkley second set to see what I mean.

I don't have tolerance for manufactured crap though. The record company hacks who are put on a pedastal like all the boy bands were. However, if you paid your dues as a musician I am going to tolerate you because you worked to get your sound and a following.

I still insult bands all the time so I am somewhat of a hypocrite.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:07 PM
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43. A giant vacuum?
What no mention of the Dead?
If you want to listen to modern music you must find a source. The difference between the typical top forty or clearchannel crap and a college or free form community station is the difference between a tv commercial and a real movie.
Alway check out the left end of the fm dial.
A good example is www.kvnf.org.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:07 PM
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44. Baloney.
There is great music out there now, and there was a lot of crap in every bygone era.

Wonderful current musicians include:

Paolo Conte
Manu Chao
Dusminguet
Charlie Hunter
Neko Case
Aterciopelados
Norah Jones
Pink Martini
3 Leg Torso
Norah Jones
Joe Henry
Kurt Rosenwinkel
John Scofield
Little Sue

and that's off the top of my head before I've had coffee...
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:33 PM
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47. great list!
Edited on Sun Nov-23-03 01:33 PM by randr
I would add some of my newest favorites:
Los Lonely Boys
Joe Strummer (the clash) and the Mescaleros
Robert Bradley and the Blackwater Surprise
along with these recent releases from oldsters:
Van Morrison
Rickie Lee Jones
Dixie Hummingbirds
Al Green
This does not go near the tremendous volume of Jazz that is appearing. Even Elvis Costello has a jazz album out. We may be seeing a real renascence in this musical genre.
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ZoCrowes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 02:07 PM
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50. Los Lonely Boys are f-ing great!!
I met them a few months back. EXTREMELY nice guys with a killer sound. Henry Garza is Jimi Hendrix reincarnated (I swear to god!)

The best part: THE DRUMMER'S NAME IS RINGO!!
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 01:11 PM
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45. first every garbage modern band, I can name a garbage oldies band
You're just hearing the crap de la crap.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-23-03 03:09 PM
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53. Don't get me started on the Grammy's.
Do you realize some of the people that NEVER won a Grammy? Now tell me, how the fuck did Millie Vanilli, Starland Vocal Band and Taste of Honey win a Grammy when The Supremes or Diana Ross solo never did?

What a bunch of shit.

Now, as far as todays music goes ...... (please see the link to the right)
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