Y'All Can Be Really Mean Sometimes

[THUNDER HANDS]

Someone opens themself up, throws out all the crap that's happening to them and they get run down because of it.

Sure, DU doesn't need to be a place where people can kvetch about every little thing that goes on in their lives - but sometimes, for some people, DU is the only place to turn to.

I'm not sure MY mom ever actually said this, but I'm sure she said something to the effect of: "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

So why hijack a thread that's an obvious cry-out for sympathy and ridicule someone?

What's wrong with just moving on to the next thread. There are 39 others on the page that you can read, obviously valuable space isn't being taken up.

Maybe some people just like to make people who are feeling lousy, feel worse.

Mean, mean people, I tell you.

[CatWoman]

1. oh,

fuck off, perv

:D

[THUNDER HANDS]

2. oh no you didn't

My ONE serious lounge post in like....15 months and you immediately hijack it.

Oh it's own now. :evilgrin:

[CatWoman]

4. bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

:hi:

[meegbear]

5. So what happened?

Enquiring minds want to know.

[THUNDER HANDS]

7. this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=448248&mesg_id=448248

[meegbear]

16. Sheesh ...

From now on, if/when I put somebody down on this site, I'll just think about that post. I'm not TAHT bad.

[GainesT1958]

15. Hey, CATWOMAN...

Aren't those NEW pictures of Streak and Trinity? Those are good pics of some VERY distinnguished felines!:D

B-)

[CatWoman]

20. Thanks for the compliment, Gaines

My sweetie came to spend my birthday with me, and updated the pics for me while he was here.

Now, if only I could keep Streak from peeing on my bed :D

:hi:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

3. There's a couple of posters on that thread that just like a fight, MR

They don't realise there's a real person on the other end, sadly.

[Bunny]

6. I agree Magic Rat.

I was astonished at the vitriol hurled by some otherwise decent DUers. Although that particular poster may be using up the well of human kindness and empathy here on DU, I cannot understand why some had to take such glee in kicking someone who is down. You can always move to the next thread if you cannot find something that is either nice or CONSTRUCTIVE to say.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

9. The person involved is obviously in a hell of a state.

Whether or not I sympathise with him, I'm sure as hell not going to lay into him in his dark hour. That's pretty nasty.

[DrWeird]

8. Ah bugger you and the llama you rode in on.

Sure, you can make an argument for ignoring it. But hijacking it is still better than enabling him

[THUNDER HANDS]

11. enabling him?

To do what? Feel sympathy? Feel empathy? Feel warmth and human compassion?

No no, lets not shoot for that. Lets tear them down like the fat kid on the playground. That'll teach him to share his feelings. :eyes:

[DrWeird]

18. The only people I feel sympathy, empath, and compassion for...

are the ones who went so far out of their way to put him up. They know him a lot better then we do and they probably have a good reason for not letting him around major electrical appliances and the children. The fact that you've got no money and nowhere else to go, and I've been there, doesn't give you a right to be a big fat jerk to the people who have to completely rearrange their lives out of charity for you. If he had said "oh, I feel so bad for being a failure, I feel so bad for ruining these peoples lives" then I'd feel bad for him, then I wouldn't have made any kind of comment. But that was pretty much the polar opposite of what was said. But still, going from empathy and sympathy to siding with him against the hosts is way too far.

[CatWoman]

28. *busting a gut here*

there's no rant like a Dr. Weird rant :D

[MoonAndSun]

10. I was reading the thread you are referring to and I was so shocked

at the lack of empathy for this person. How sad for DU.

[LastTime2BeFree]

12. Thanks for saying what I was just pondering

Bullies will be bullies I guess. J needs a good friend before he needs the playground blanket party he is getting.

[Sting]

13. Amen to that, M R

all he needed was someone to vent to, and all some people did was rip on him. Shame on you all who did that. I've expected that uncaring attitude from Republicans, not Democrats.

[gratuitous]

14. Slap a scorpion death lock on 'em!

Right after a Stinger Splash!

Why doesn't that guy wrestle anymore? Last guy I rooted for regardless of whether he was heel or face.

[Sting]

17. The Scorpion Death Drop is a better choice!

Actually, he is wrestling right now as a face. He's in NWA/TNA, feuding w/ Jeff Jarrett.

On edit: he's also feuding with Lex Luger. Lmao.

[gratuitous]

44. No, with the scorpion death lock, the opponent suffers

The death drop, they're out, flip 'em over, and it's 1-2-3. With the death lock, they're in agony until they submit.

<Yeeeeeeaaaaaaoooowwww!!>

[Sting]

67. lol

I suppose. Nothin' like a good ol' sharpshooter to make a person tap!

[patdem]

19. I agree..that and the homless person thread has produced people

I had no idea even were Democrats??? Maybe we need a few 'compassionate conservatives'????

I understand we are a big tent, but I thought the tent meant we all could at very least empathize with the others in the tent?

Maybe we got more 'freepers' than we know what to do with, us being so willing to let 'other voices' be heard and all, they chalk up post counts...then get some one else to cough up $20.00 for a star and they are official Democrats!!! NOT!!!

[DemExpat]

21. Well, I think you're a sweetie for posting this, MR,

:loveya:

DemEx

[WilliamPitt]

22. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

This forum in particular has between 125,000 and 7,000,021 threads every day with people coming for help, condolences and general friendship. Without fail, I say WITHOUT FAIL, they get it. Deceased or sick pets, dead relatives, diseases - you name it, and the person in trouble gets wrapped in a huge embrace. Several people in trouble here have actually received direct help, either through money or medical intervention, because of this place.

The situation you are weeping over has been going on for a month now. It has become pathetic and self-serving. I'm not 100% convinced it isn't a scam.

[CatWoman]

23. plus the never-ending, whiney ass updates

complete with ignoring advice being sought.

[jiacinto]

25. It's not a scam

Every bit of is true. It's really funny to see such callous words from people on a supposedly "progressive" site.

[WilliamPitt]

30. Carlos

You have been offered 2,000,000 pieces of good advice. To the best of my knowledge, you have taken none of it. You have complained about 'deficiencies' in your life; billions of people around the world would leap for joy to be in your situation, to have a family and a roof and food.

Being a progressive does not mean being able to tolerate infinite victimhood. You've been offered help and advice, you have taken none of it, and you come here to complain about things that few people see as being complaint-worthy. My simpathy for you has dried up. You have a strong back and a brain, and if you have to live without cable and internet for a while, my heart is most completely not bleeding for you.

[jiacinto]

33. It's more than that

There is much more going on here than you know. I have taken some of the advice given here.

It's more than not having cable or the internet. If you don't like what I have to say here then--and this applies to the people who've been rude to me--put me on ignore.

[DrWeird]

45. Carlos, I THOUGHT there was more to the story.

Why don't you fill in the blanks. It will be a lot easier to understand what you're going through if you don't leave stuff out. For example, it seems that your family doesn't trust you around major appliances or the children. There must be a reason, something that happened in the past. Please tell us what it was. Does it have something to do with why you cryptically referred to your brother calling you "Forrest Gump?"

[VermontDem2004]

50. Of course he is going to tell only his side

He is not going to admit he was wrong or he misunderstood what he said or the situation. Dozens of times he misunderstands what I say like when I say I am against the death penalty in all cases he says I am supporting John Muhammed or not being tough on crime or something along the lines like that. Another time when I said the Iraq War I was unneccessary imo he says I am defending a murderous tyrant or something along the lines like that. I can give you hundreds of examples, that is why I take how bad the situation is with a grain of salt especially when he repeatedly brings up he has limited access to Cable TV and Internet.

[DrWeird]

27. "I'm not 100% convinced it isn't a scam."

From God's lips to your keyboard. Or is it from God's mouth to your lips? From Gods's lips to a horse's ass? From a horse's ass to a place to drink?

buggrit.

Great minds think alike.

[THUNDER HANDS]

29. assuming for a moment that it's not a scam

And perhaps, to you, it is pathetic and self-serving - does that make it right that he should have such viritol poured upon him?

Those who still wish to root Carlos on are totally capable of doing so. And those who are tired of his posts are totally capable of ignoring them.

There are things in that thread that can only be called "hate" and "hate" has no place here. Unless it is reserved for Bush and his minions.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

32. Harsh choice, either a scam or someone in a really nasty mental state.

I have to give the benefit of the doubt. Like I said before, I chose not to respond to these threads because I didn't have as much sympathy
as others. A lot of those replies were pretty nasty and confrontational, and are unhelpful, if this person really is in such a bad way, as it seems. I didn't have anything nice to stay, so I shut up.

[WilliamPitt]

36. On the confrontational issue

This is probably the 30th or 40th thread that Carlos has started on this issue. Nothing has changed, despite probably 5,000 replies of sympathy and advice. This is not happening out of a clear blue sky.

[VermontDem2004]

38. 30th or 40th?

I thought there was much more then that, before he came to Iowa it was updates on his life every single day.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

39. Fair enough. I've been ignoring them until the last couple.

[DemExpat]

40. Now you can see why good friends, advisors, counsellors, etc.

must have infinite patience to see a person through until the moment comes when they start to 'get it'...
I know this is a political discussion board, but many here use this community for venting, support, advice, etc.
:-(

DemEx

[WilliamPitt]

46. "many here use this community for venting, support, advice, etc."

Many here get that sympathy, advice, etc. every single day. Carlos got it even after the 50th thread he started about all this. When he first started, everyone here piled on in sympathy and support, and offered oodles of help. He took none of it. A month later, he still got it. The tone of this last one was repugnant, imho.

There is a difference between using this board, and watching this board getting used, if you get me.

[DemExpat]

52. Walk a mile......

n/t

[VermontDem2004]

34. I agree

I am not posting updates on how my life is going, everyday he posts something new about his life and that is not my problem. He is whining about how he doesn't get to watch Cable TV or log on to the computer. :nopity: I mean his life is not that bad, he is getting free rent until he gets his feet underneath him.

[tom_paine]

85. I'm afraid I am beginning to agree with you, Will.

I have stuck up for Carlos quite a bit in these threads lately. When people kicked him, as I saw it, I kicked THEM (and got a couple nasty replies) because it's not right.

But at last I am beginning to wonder along with you, Will, about his sincerity. Carlos has in fact rudely and rhetorically attacked people, so it's no surprise, I guess, that people want to kick him back.

Further, I went back and read the thread in question, the "I hate my living situation," and found it tiresomely self-serving and self-absorbed.

And yes, I who felt much sympathy for Carlos' situation, am finding it drying up like so many others' apparently has. The constant focus on money and "things". Bitching about how his brother wouldn't help him in college.

What of it? Neither did mine. And Carlos' brother is helping him now. Further, the bitching about NO TV? Pissed off that the kids are watching Thomas the Tank Engine?

Stuff like that makes me think this is a scam or that Carlos needs some serious professional help.

[NicoleM]

24. There comes a point at which

sympathizing with someone isn't doing anything to help him/her. At some point, it doesn't uplift, it helps the person stay down where they are. I agree that there is no need to be mean, but for some people telling someone what you think is being mean. So to some extent "mean" is subject to interpretation.

I also think that if you start a thread every other day or so complaining about how bad your life is, at some point you're going to pump the sympathy well dry. Maybe that's what happened today.

[VelmaD]

26. I think some people overshot...

the mark if they were aiming for "tough love".

[JVS]

37. Yeah, that happens.

People often like to go all Torquemada on other people, especially in internet (anonymous) dialogues

[Kamika]

31. I am a mean mean person

And the 50th time i read how bad someone has it I *will* snap.

because there are a billion other people that has it even worse

[JVS]

35. I'm not being mean!

I am encouraging Jiacinto to "Take it to the next level" and "Think outside the box" imposed on us by "Totalitarian society" by robbing his brother and starting a new life of "prosperity and exhuberance"! Only when we cast of society's shackles can we truly be free. If you need me I'll be busy "consoling" girls who fail their driving tests down at the DMV ;-)

[littlejoe]

41. Life is a bitch

We all have problems and you know what? Nobody cares.

[camero]

48. Life doesn't have to be a bitch

It's mean, nasty, ignorant people that make life a bitch.

[CatWoman]

55. or you could be married to one

:evilgrin:

[camero]

57. lol

I dodged that bullet, didn't I? hahaha

[felonious thunk]

42. He's received much sympathy here

And he continues to. But at some point the sympathy and validation are no longer helpful. Feeding into his cycle of self-pity doesn't seem to help him. Furthermore, this could be good for him if it gets him to seek out some real help, rather than a political message board.

[ArkDem]

43. Actually, that is what Thumper's mom says in Bambi.

>"If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."
<

[JVS]

47. If you can't say something nice, shut the fuck up, you asshole!

is the version I was raised on.

[ArkDem]

59. Hey, that would be the STEELER way!!

!!!!

[buddhamama]

49. "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all."

yep. and that is why i avoided the thread.

[dionysus]

51. Agree 100%

It's pretty clear to anyone that has been at DU a while that Carlos has racked up a bunch of enemies over his time here. Every time he posts, you will find the usual group of posters close on his heels, ready to bash away. I find it amusing to read, at times, but ultimately silly. I don't have the same politics as he does, and sometimes I agree with his detractors, but I admire him for putting up with more shit than probably any other DUer has. I'm surprised he hasn't been driven off this board long ago.

Bashing when talking about politics is one thing, but carrying it over to when he is talking about personal things most of us wouldn't mention here is cruel. He doesn't seem to have many people to turn to, he's been through a terrible experience, and yet there are people who would kick him when he's down. He's a human being for christ's sake, and should be treated as one.

DU is a big place, I wonder why people can't live and let live sometimes. If people don't like Carlos, why don't they put him on ignore? If they find his threads annoying, why do they read them? Do people really enjoy his misery? Seems some do.

[buddhamama]

53. just for a more balanced record

Carlos was offered quite an outpouring of sympathy here in the Lounge after his mugging and theft of his apartment.

but do you know what Carlos did then? He went into the GD forum and wrote a post attacking Lefties; accusing us of sympathizing with criminals (his words not mine) because we happen to bring up stuff like inequality in every sector of society, and can empathize with people falling on hard times and making bad decisions. He basically accused every left-leaning/progressive individual of excusing crime/criminals.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

54. What then are Carlos' own politics?

[bloom]

56. Threads of Our Lives

I pretty much do ignore these posts by Carlos - at least I don't respond because I don't think I could say anything to help that hasn't been said or I can't say anything positive.

But I disagree that people are being mean - so I'm weighing in.

I do think it is silly to get several daily updates on his life. I don't know what he expects.

I think many people made very good suggestions on the thread that you referenced. Esp. Heddi.

If the advice and what I consider to be the good will of these people do not help him - then definately I think he should check out the community mental health center.

[DS1]

58. There's more than one

That's all I have to say about that.

[Heddi]

60. How are we being mean?

He comes here day after day complaining about how bad his life is.

We give him advice, day after day, on how to improve his situation, his self esteem, his job situation.

Day after day he poo-poos our input. Doesn't do anything anyone advises him to.

I have given, and AM GIVING him the SAME DAMN ADVICE I HAVE, AND WOULD GIVE to a member of my own fucking family if they came to me with the same problems.

Patting someone on the head and saying 'there there, nothing is your fault, you are an innocent soul' helps NO ONE, especially not the person who's looking for advice.

He hates his living situation--easy solution--move out.

But that's TOO simple. Doesn't give him room to complain about how all the world is against him and how somehow HE is the most unfortunate person on the planet.

I have sympathy for his situation, but I don't think ANYONE is being served by coddling him and cooing to him and telling him it's the bad nasty liberals who voted for Nader that caused him to be in the situation he's in.

Life sucks---I'm only a few years older than Carlos and I realized that A LONG TIME AGO.

Things do NOT go as you plan. Wrenches are CONSTANTLY thrown in the wheels. Goals are CONSTANTLY defeated.

As humans, we can either choose to wallow in our misfortune, or to do whatever we can to make the best of a bad situation.

Does it suck to live with family when you don't want to? Sure. But you can either suck it up and not complain about it and be HAPPY AND THANKFUL THAT YOU HAVE A PLACE TO STAY (despite the fact that they don't have cable or let him use the internet), ORRRRR...He can shut the fuck up and move out and get a place of his own. It's that simple.

If he CHOOSES --yes, CHOOSES to live in a situation that he's totally miserable in, he has NO ONE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF.

I cannot feel 'sorry' for someone who has a roof over their head and warm food in their belly, yet still manages to complain because they can't watch 'their shows'. Get a fucking portable TV if "Survivor" is that important. Or better yet, suck it up and realize there are much more sucky things in life than not being able to watch TV when and where you want.

I can't feel sorry for someone who bemoans hourly about not having a job, yet REFUSES to apply at 'menial' jobs like McDonalds, or the Movie Theater, or a video rental store---if you have NO MONEY, and NO INCOME, $5.15 an hour is better than $0 an hour---but those jobs aren't prestigious enough. Those jobs don't impress friends or family.

I will not feel sorry for someone who lays blame on EVERYONE but themselves. We are NOT perfect creatures, and had I the time or energy, I woudl be MORE than happy to lay out all the areas in which I fall short, or don't fall at all. I am not beyond reproach, although some people feel that they are, however.

Sometimes life gives you a pile of shit. No amount of whining about it CONSTANTLY is going to change that.

Sometimes you gotta just suck it up and do things DIFFERENTLY than you planned.

I do not find it as 'being mean' to someone to suggest to them that they take the time they spend crying about their situation and start DOING SOMETHING to get out of that situation.

All the time he spends on DU--he could be walking the streets of Cedar Rapids finding a job digging ditches or sweeping sidewalks or bagging groceries. He could be HELPING PEOPLE THAT ARE :gasp: LESS FORTUNATE THAN HE IS.

Notice all the suggestions that he volunteer at a homless shelter or soup kitchen---all have been ignored. He'll do it if he's not visiting friends. Gee. How kind of him.

Again, the reality that there are MILLIONS of people in this country that don't have friends, that don't have a shiny new SUV, that don't have a graduate-level education, that don't have bastardly family willing to open their home to them, that don't have a roof, or clothes, or food---it just escapes him. To him, he is the ONLY person in a bad situation, the ONLY person in need of help, the ONLY victim of the world.

I do NOT appologize for what I've said to him. As long as he keeps asking for advice (but in reality just wanting people to powder his bottom and tuck him in with a story and a song and no admonition), I will keep telling him the same thing either until he listens to the advice that I, and countless others have given him, or until he gets the idea through his head that we're tired of coddling him and just stops posting his daily insecurities on the internet.

He asks for advice---he gets it. Don't blame us for telling him what he needs to do.

[CatWoman]

62. Man, Heddi

I thought Teena was awesome.

They should really clone you two!!!!!!!!

[Heddi]

65. Sometimes,

ya just gotta cut through the bullshit and tell it like it is.

I am so thankful for the day that I was sat down, against my will, and told all this and so much more by someone who really really loved me. At the time, i thought they were the cruelest, meanest, most awful person on the planet.

Sometimes we NEED to hear what we don't WANT to hear----

Like right now, that inner voice inside of me is saying "oh heddi...don't eat that chocolate-filled croissant", but my jiggly belly is screaming "SHUT UP hypothalamus! You don't know what you talkin' bout! Gimme that croissant"--

see, it's just like that.

[Richardo]

75. Kudos, Heddi

...there's only one person on DU on my ignore list. You articulated very well the reason he's there.

:thumbsup:

[CatWoman]

84. Richardo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:hi:

:D

[Kamika]

66. oh you are my twin soul

I SO agree

[Heddi]

68. if'in we're twins

can I start borrowing your clothes now :)

[Forkboy]

69. AMEN!!!!!!

note to self----do not get on Heddi's bad side :D

[Heddi]

72. heh :)

yeah. I'm in the final weeks of school, got finals bearing down on me like a 45lb sack of horse-shit, and I got a presentation in physiology class tomorrow. I AM IN NO MOOD TO PLAY :)

[fishnfla]

61. i had to put the dude on ignore

he's the only poster here on my list.

You would offer help or suggestions in a kind way and get a reponse like this:

"no n/t"

[Heddi]

63. I especially appreciate

the lack of 'thank you's' that his posts contain.

I exchanged PM's with him several weeks ago regarding his getting a job. Trying to help him out. NEVER ONE TIME got a Thank You.

Look back at his past threads--how many "thank you for your advice. I appreciate your taking out the time to respond to my 15th post about how sucky my life is. I probably won't be taking your advice, but i appreciate your taking the time nonetheless"

Hmm....they're quite few.

He begs and begs "what should I do? Where should I go?" and he gets SHITLOADS of people giving him every imaginable peice of personal wisdom they can, and we get NOTHING in return but complaints about how we're being mean to him, how we have it against him, how we put the lives of criminals above the lives of their victims, etc etc etc.

gimme gimme gimme...so that way I can complain about it once I get it.....seems to be a recurring theme....

[bicentennial_baby]

71. ...

Whoops, wrong place

[fishnfla]

74. Flame me I can deal

Is there a term for this psycological need for sympathy and attention?

Is it Munchausens? a variation?

I thought for awhile it might be a ruse too.

[Heddi]

78. well there's depression

which can lead people into constant 'victim states' and bouts of increasingly low self esteem---they're no good, they're not good enough, people don't like them, etc etc.

There's superority complexes, you know, where people believe they're God, or they're better than everyone else. There's also inferiority complexes where people believe that they will never be good enough, etc etc.

There's hypochondria, where people psychologically believe they're suffering from nonexistent illnesses and maladies, and do so because they crave the attention they're given by family members and health-care professionals as they trot to the Dr's office every week with a new problem, a new ache, a new pain.

Muchausen's Syndrome by Proxy usually affects parents who injure (or even murder) their children just so they, the parent, can receive empathy and sympathy for their child's parent-inflicted illness/injury/death.

I would think that Muchausen's Syndrome of the Self (is that even a real term) would fall more under self-mutilation--someone who harms themselves to releive inner pain, and to get sympathy from others.

[Kamika]

64. sooner or later someone will turn out to be a freeper

I can just see it now..

he/she writes like 50 posts how bad his/her life is, we all pity him etc etc yadda yadda then one year later it's like.. haha you stupid bleedin' heart libruls

[XanaDUer]

70. Carlos said he has no other place to turn

and maybe he does not.

I don't believe in kicking someone when they are down. Sometimes I get irritated, but I remember, there for the grace of god...blah , blah.

Just ignore his threads, also, I cannot imagine what "scam" he could be running.

Thanks Magic Rat.

[Heddi]

76. He prolly doesn't have anywhere else to turn

which is why so many DU'ers have suggested he get low-cost counceling.

I really see VERY few people 'kicking him while he's down' here.

if you had a friend who was being beaten daily by her boyfriend, and she came to you day after day asking for advice, at what point would you just want to shake her and say "IF YOU DON'T MOVE OUT OF THE HOUSE, HE IS GOING TO KEEP BEATING YOU"? Is that kicking someone while they're down, or TELLING THEM what they need to hear?

He has been given SHITLOADS of GOOD advice. People here (myself included) are getting FRUSTRATED at the fact that every day, he tells us his problem, and every day we give him the SAME advice, and the next day he tells us his problems, we give him advice, ad nauseum.

No thank you's, no 'i appreciate it', just "i'll think about it' and "you guys are being mean to me".

Again, I equate it with someone, a good friend, who's in a dangerous situation who does not listen to the constant advice you give them. As much as you try to help them, THEY REFUSE TO HELP THEMSELVES. it gets frustrating after a while, and makes you not want to help that person anymore because they're doing nothing to help themselves.

[XanaDUer]

83. Yes, I know

I have given him advice, he rarely thanks me, but, I am still not going to pile it on.

And please stop "shouting" at me in caps.

It can be frustrating, but maybe this is the only venue he has?

[bicentennial_baby]

73. I agree

Sorry folks, I can't get on the Carlos-bash-a-thon train y'all seem to be enjoying so much. :puke:

Isn't this thread against the rules? :shrug:

[Screaming Lord Byron]

77. I guess no one has any sympathy for Carlos anymore

he'll still post though.

[bicentennial_baby]

79. I do

He's had a really rough time lately, and it sounds like he does'nt have anyone to connect with. It's bizarre to me that people are so riled up about this. If it bothers y'all so much put him on ignore. It's so simple. Maybe it makes some people feel better to harsh on others, not me though.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

80. I've never commented on any of his threads,

like I said before, I don't have too much sympathy for him, so I don't respond to his posts. Simple.

[bloom]

82. Some people

think he has it bad.

[buddhamama]

81. i am not bashing him

i refrained from saying anything personal against him.

i do have sympathy for Carlos, for many reasons, but i've been on these boards with Carlos for over two yrs and i am aware by now that, no matter what i say or do, it will fall on deaf ears.

what Carlos needs none of us can give him, it must come from within.

[bicentennial_baby]

86. I hear you

I just think some people go a bit over the top with their comments, and try to get in digs just because they have prior issues with him.

"what Carlos needs none of us can give him, it must come from within."

As always, words of wisdom from buddhamama!

:yourock: