How much would you pay to save a pet?

[WWW]

This has long plagued me. Our golden retriever had bone cancer and we spent about $1500 on him before he died. Would I have spent $5000 on him to keep him alive?...I don't know,.Would I have spent $10,000 on him to keep him alive if I could be assured of another five years? He was truly a great, great dog....Your thoughts?

[Booberdawg]

1. I bought pet insurance so I wouldn't have to decide that

I wouldn't be able to stand a large vet bill like that.

[roguevalley]

17. Two dachshunds with paralysis repaired: $4500

Five dachshunds teeth cleaning: $1300

Shots three times a year (two in one bunch, two in another,
one by himself): $500

Satisfaction until I step in pee and scream: priceless

I would spend what it takes. They are my kids.

[Myra]

33. Great post roguevalley

eom

[Myra]

32. Booberdawg, I'm very interested in pet ins. Would you give more info.

Having a very sick pet can be financially ruinous.
I've had some pretty mammoth vet bills; a few years
back a very special cat was sick and the bills totaled
around $2300, and I lost him anyway. I'd have spent anything
to save him; it simply wasn't possible. I wish the bills
had been many time what they were but I still had him.

Anway, I've been wanting to look into pet ins.
Would you mind giving a general idea of cost (assuming
no prior conditions), who your policy is with and whether you'd
recommend them, whether pre-ins physicals are needed,
if they have to have yearly check up/shots or the policy is
void, and most important...

Have you had to use the insurance? Were they decent
about reimbursement and approving coverage, or are they
like ins companies for humans and they try to bend you over
every chance they get?

Thanks very much for any info and opinions you can offer.

[VOX]

53. Myra and/or Booberdawg, I too am interested in pet insurance...

Have two indoor cats, ages 6 and 3. They're in fine health now, but you never know...

If you have any info you might be able to share, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks! :toast:

[Booberdawg]

54. Sure Myra

Here’s a link to the insurance I’ve carried on my dog Boober for about 3 years now.



As I recall it’s about $275 annual and that was based on his age when I took it out and includes rider for preventive care like heartworm, flea prevention, shots, etc. I believe they did get his vet records before they issued the policy, and they did attach an exception to the policy for allergies because he’s always had a problem with it that causes his ears to become inflamed.

I’ve never had to make a claim on it other than for the annual preventive care. The benefits per condition paid are scheduled benefits and outlined in the link I gave you. There are a couple different plans available.

Hope this is helpful. Shoot me a PM if I can be of more assistance.

Linda

[IggleDoer]

56. Pet insurance is great but ...

... they pay only up to a point. Our puppy still cost us over $3000 and still going strong.

[Myra]

60. Thank you so much for the info & link Booberdawg and IggleDoer

"... they pay only up to a point. Our puppy still cost us over $3000 and still going strong."

Do you mind disclosing the most they'll pay per animal IggleDoer?
I'm so sorry your puppy is so sick. Wow it's lucky to have
such a devoted home.

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. That's a tough one to answer

One would really need to be in that situation. Though I'd be willing to wager that, unless my pet was actually valuable as breeding stock or something, if it was gonna cost a lot to save the animal, I'd just put it down. That's what the family has always done with animals (all a bunch of farmers), so I imagine I'd do the same. But then, I'll likely never have any pets, so who's to tell?

I'm curious how long this thread will go on before someone chimes in with the obligatory "You spent how much on an animal while people are starving?" response. Hopefully they won't, but I wonder when it will happen. By post 15, perhaps?

[henslee]

3. i just put down 2 dogs in 1 year... ostereosarcoma and another type...

One rottie was 12 the other was 9. The whole thing broke my heart and cost me a fortune too.... the odds of a dog beating it are super slight.

my vet is convinced its all the shots we give dogs every year. I think doggie cancer is the biggest racket and vets are in on it....(not all)

I heard dogs on the farm that never get shots, never get cancer. My vet told me he doesn't give his dog all his shots...I forgot which one he does give.

my advice to most folks is... if your dog has a lump.. get it checked out quickly.
look into holistic

My other piece of advice is look into Ascripton (human buffered aspirin). It gave my dog lots of "better" days toward the last few months and it is pretty benign. One vet recommended it and I was amazed how many good days it gave my old boy.. He outlived his diagnosis another 11 months. And like you, I'm sure you knew when it ws time..

Dogs are the greatest. (ON EDIT)to answer your question... how much you spend really depends on how much y ou got!

[Bozita]

16. I lost two in 8 months to cancer. Both always had their shots.

Lawn chemicals may be an added factor.

Those animal vaccines may contain Thimerisol (sp?), the mercury-based preservative.

My former veterinarian (he moved away) expressed displeasure at the high incidence of cancer in pets. He felt that the vaccines were a factor.

[henslee]

18. Thimersisol... hmmm.... glad to have a 2nd opinion on vaccines....

I have no more dogs but other peop'es dogs get a lot of luv from me.

My dog used to bark at the fuji blimp when it came by the house. It was so funny.
And he used to say I love you, like scooby doo,,, Rai roo rooo....

[Feanorcurufinwe]

4. You can only let your heart be your guide.

And it is not cut-and-dried because of the quality of life issues involved also.

It is easy to say in the abstract that you would pay anything but we know as adults we have to live in the real world and have to be able to survive and pay our bills.

But money itself is worthless. Only the things it can be exchanged for have any value. It is also a commodity in that one dollar is the same as any other dollar. Your dog was your friend and was unique. There will never be another like him.

I'm truly sorry for your loss.

[Robb]

6. I agree

It's a quality-of-life issue, and a luxury for those who can afford it.

The dog all the way on the left in my sig picture has had countless operations, and she's in fantastic running shape at 12. I'm glad I didn't have to pay for them, but she's pretty special -- I might have. :shrug:

[WWW]

24. Actually it was 12 years ago

that Casey died, but I still miss that bugger...the only bright point is my kids, 15 and 16, still talk about what a riot he was.And yes, if I could have, I would have spent $10,000 to keep him around for another couple of years. :) But as my friend said, it's not the dog that makes the dog, ...it's the owner.

[Cleita]

5. Well, I just spent $1,500 on a cat who bit me today

because he's feeling a lot better. I have put off health care I need for myself because of this little four footed nuisance, yet I don't regret it because I would not have been able to live with myself if I had let him die because I was too cheap to give him the care he needed.

Sometimes, we have to not worry about how things are going to get paid as long as we can live with ourselves and kitty is happy too. I just hope in the future I haven't provided a coyote with a $1,500 meal.

[Marlie]

11. We also lost two dogs this last year...

There was nothing more we could do, but I guess I would spend every-
thing we had and borrow if we knew we could have saved their lives &
importantly, live a quality life for a while longer. They were so
wonderful.

I was told by a foreign vet many years ago, give our dogs as little
medication as possible and insist on a three year rabbie shot, not
annually. Frontline for fleas, heartworm meds all year, etc., are
not good for them. I agree, cancer in a dog used to be rare, now it's
so common place, but they, like us, eat food full of God knows what.
And, years ago the one and only shot a dog ever got was for rabbies,
now they give them shots in order to prevent just about everything
but what are the side effects? Less is better.

[DRoseDARs]

7. Sadly, I wasn't given the opportunity...

...to spend more to save Samantha, my cat. She got sick last sunday and died of liver failure three days later. We took her to the vet about four hours before she went into cardiac arrest. The vet did what he could, but fifteen minutes later there just wasn't much point saving the life of a cat that's become brain-dead due to lack of adequet oxygen.

I keep telling myself that if her condition (we didn't know soon enough) was serious, I would have willingly let her go, choosing not to prolong her suffering. But, like I said, I wasn't given that chance to decide.

Some may ask why we didn't take her to the vet sooner. She got sick occasionally, being an outdoor kitty and all, and she usually disappeared for many hours, even days at a time. I didn't see her until the evening before she died and was told she looked better than she had earlier in the week. I accepted that information (as 'dead' wrong as it has turned out) and decided to wait until the next day to see how she was doing. She was clearly in pain, tired, and having difficulty moving. I stayed up with her through the night (how could I sleep knowing my kitty was in great pain, unable to sleep as a result, and terrified) until my stepdad woke up and took his turn watching over her until he needed to go to work. Shortly after he left, Sam went into convulsions. Five minutes later my mom and I took her to the nearest open vet's office. We hung around for some thirty minutes before the vet was ready to take her away to work on her care.

[Gloria]

8. A year ago I went all out for my 6 year old guinea pig who had some

sort of blockage. I knew she would probably die, but I had her xrayed, intravenous fluids, and then took her home. Was about to give her another dose of medicine when she died in my arms.

I didn't think of the cost. Some would say it was only a guinea pig, but this little pig had had colds, an eye laceration etc. and was a fighter and I fought for her at the very end. How could I not?

[Devoir]

9. Probably $100 or so for the kids' sake

But we have a cat. The easiest way to get over a cat's death is to wait about four days and get another one. Perhaps it is different with dogs, I don't know.

[corarose]

42. Excuse me!

4 Days to get over a cat? I am still grieving for my Cat Garfield and he died two 1/2 years ago and he daughter Ramona died two weeks ago and I haven't gotten over her.

A Cat is no Different then a Dog.

[Devoir]

62. I'm talking about kids getting over a pet

Four days BUT....you have to get another pet to fill the void

[Bertha Venation]

49. Strange satire. eom

[Hell Hath No Fury]

10. We have spent tons of money...

on our pets over the years.

One of the considerations is what the animal is dealing with. We had an old-as-hell cat who needed to have almost all his teeth removed -- if he didn't, he would have starved to death. We knew the problem would be fixed completely if we took steps. You don't want to know how much it cost, but we had the surgery and he was fine. But knowing that he could be helped almost made the decision for us, regardless of the cost.

Luckily, we've never had to put an animal down for financial considerations. I did have one cat that was in kidney failure and the vet said that he could get a transplant at Davis -- cost, $10,000.

Yes the cost was prohibitive, but more importantly, there was just no way I would have even considered something like that for my cat. To have him go through such a radical procedure just to have him stay with me would have felt too selfish on my part. He deserved better.

[Marlie]

12. Luke my goose

Yes, we had a pair of geese, Lucy and Luke. I hatched them from eggs
so they were really my buddies and they really thought I was their
mom. They followed me everywhere, picked weeds with me, and Lucy
would wake me up every morning, on the porch, screaming her lungs
out. They were the greatest couple for three years.

Anyway, Luke started to cough. We were always a big hit at the vet's
office because he would sit in his big old box with his head
sticking out. Well, they said he had asthma and would need to be
hospitalized for a while - that turned out to be ten days and he
endeared himself to everyone who worked in that office. Needless to
say, the bill was enormous and sadly, he came home and two days later
he died. Our hearts were broken and Lucy was a lost soul until we
brought her a new mate home, whom she really gave a hard time to.
It took a week before she would allow him in her pond but he won
her over after a long courting period. I guess the moral to my story
is, be careful, sometimes vets take advantage of animal lovers. I
don't think Luke ever had a chance but I was more than willing to
do whatever I had to, not really using common sense but knowing me,
I probably would do the same thing all over again. I'm a sucker for
any animal, bird, etc.

[DS1]

13. I refuse to answer this publicly should I be faced

with this horrific decision tomorrow or any time after.

Yeah, I'd spend a lot, but I just want my bud to be happy and healthy, which he is.

*knocks on wood*

[juajen]

14. Our golden retriever died last year at about this time

Her last illness cost around $l,000 before we were through. Fortunately we could come up with this. If I had it, and thought she would live comfortably, I would have paid almost anything to keep her. The $1,000 we spent gladly. She was a wonderful dog and I miss her to this day horribly. I have refused to get another dog and her ashes are in my china cabinet. I still can't bear to bury her.

[Lady President]

15. A whole lot

I don't know how much I've spent on my two cats and I really don't like to even think about it. I know it's thousands and thousands...

Both my cats were from shelters and very sick when I got them. I easily spent several hundred dollars a piece in their first few months.

My younger cat has a strange allergy that causes problems with her gums. Several times she's had to be put to sleep and had them scraped. She had a tooth removed which was costly. Also she has megacolon which requires special high-carb food and she's spent a week or so at the vet a couple times. She's my cheap cat.

My other cat has cancer and is an insulin dependent diabetic. He is in no pain, so I keep treating him. He gets his shots, chemo., and a special low-carb diet. Unfortunately, he'll only be with me a few months more at most, but as long as he is enjoying life, I'll happily rearrange my life for him.

[Piperay]

19. I've spent thousands on

my pets when they need vet care, I have no regrets and I would always do it again. I could never put a limit on it, I'll spend whatever it takes.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

20. My dog has never been to a vet, never had a foreign substance injected

into her body and is healthy as can be,

I'm a country boy who pisses on bushes (hehe) and has faith in the natural order.

It works when you let it.

[WWW]

23. care vs. no care

I had two "barn cats" several years ago with only rabies shot. They were also very loveable house cats. Both lived to be 16. Now I have four cats, two barn cats, only rabies shots, and two that are sick all of the time, yes they had the full regiment of shots and both are constantly sick . I think it may be genetics but it also may be too much preventative medicine. I agree with you...Our stray Siamese is equivalent to buying another car, she is sick all of the time, but her six lb sister, a gray domestic shorthair barn cat, has never sneezed and is 10 this month.

[DemExpat]

21. Anything over $200.00 (at one time) I'll pass.....

and I always try complementary medication, which, up until now, has worked very well at a fraction of the cost of vet bills.

The biggest expense was last year having his teeth cleaned and a few pulled....$200.00.

And Mikey is my love, my buddy, and at 14 still very healthy.

If he gets cancer, I'll keep him comfy and pain-free until the end.

:-(

DemEx

[REP]

22. Whatever It Takes

If it means saving a life, or a meaningful prolongation of a pain-free, happy life, I don't think there's a limit. Some treatments, like kidney transplants, are so risky to the cat that I would really have to think long and hard about whether it would be worth it to the cat. My cats are mostly young and all healthy, knock wood, and the biggest expense I've had lately was spaying and neutering five of them - money well spent, since it will help protect their health (especially the girls).

We spend a tremendous amount of money when Pete got sick just to find out what was wrong with him. It turned out to be a particularly devastating, untreatable and fatal neurological illness. He got palliative and supportive care that gave him a few more months of meaningful (happy, painfree) life. If we had known from the outset that he could not have been saved, we'd have probably spent the money anyway, since his treatments didn't prolong just his dying.

I can't judge what other caring animal guardians do; I think people try to do the right thing for the animals in their care. What we did for Pete might not be appropriate for another cat. I think there's a line between extending life and just keeping someone alive, but that line can get awfully blurry when it comes to a beloved animal companion.

[Zorro]

25. Consider their quality of life

To me it depends on whether a pet would be able to maintain the same quality of life it had prior to incurring the medical expenses.

I don't think you do a pet any favors by extending their life if they won't be able to enjoy it.

There comes a time when one has to let them go, and that isn't easy. Dogs give you their unconditional love, and then ultimately break your heart.

And although no new dog can ever replace the one you lose, just remember there are many other lonely dogs in shelters across the country ready to give you all their love and affection, too.

[HEyHEY]

26. If I had the money...yeah .....if not it's hard but good -bye rover

:(

[joeybee12]

27. I'd do whatever it takes, however, you must consider that if it gets up

into the thousands, they probably won't be able to help the pet anyway. If the money is going towards chemo or radiation, the animal is going to be miserable.

[bratcatinok]

28. I paid over

1500.00 to save my dog Rufus and I'd have spent more it it was necessary.

On Mother's Day, Rufus managed to slip outside without our knowledge. Normally he only goes out on his leash but I thought he was with my fiance and he thought he was with me. I was in the living room cleaning and I heard a dog screaming and yelping in pain. I could tell it was Rufus because I recognized his voice.

I ran to the front door, opened it and saw my baby laying in the middle of the street with a couple of people standing around him. I ran out to him, knelt down next to him with my face close to his and he proceeded to bite my hands 3 times. The only thing I can figure out is since I had been cleaning, my hands smelled like bleach, furniture polish, windex and such. One of the ladies standing around said she'd watch him while I went in to get a towel to wrap him in. I ran into the house screaming for my fiance and he ran to the street and was able to pick Rufus up to carry him inside. Of course, Ruf had blood all over him (mine) and Charlie (fiance) couldn't find any cuts or anything.

Took him to the vet and after x-rays were done, Rufus had a crushed pelvis. The vet wanted to stabilize him and then operate the next day. The vet thought there might be a small chance of saving one of his back legs with the surgery. Rufus had surgery the next day and came through the surgery alive.

Three days later Rufus was released with explicit instructions to me. I couldn't let him move around, couldn't let him lay on the side the surgical incision was, antibiotics several times a day along with a calcium pill that I couldn't have swallowed whole, couldn't do this, couldn't do that and so on. Oh, and all of the couldn'ts were to last for 5 (five) weeks.

During the 5 weeks, I hand fed and hand watered him. Changed numerous puppy pads since he was living in a play pen. Gave him his medications. Kept the 2 cats at bay. I even gave him an enema about a week after he came home from the vet. All of this required constant vigilance especially after he started to feel a little better. Trying to keep a hard-headed rat terrier/Benjii mix to lay on one side only is much more difficult than...well, it's the most difficult thing I've ever done and I've raised children as well as dealt with husbands.

I am happy, no make that estatic, to report Rufus recovered completely. He didn't have to have a leg amputated and he runs, jumps, bounds like the puppy he thinks he is. You can't even tell anything was ever wrong with him.

Now, ask me, Did I have a Happy Thanksgiving? You betcha!

[bratcatinok]

29. BTW

I'm grateful I had the money to spend. Being on long term disability I might not have had it if it weren't for being reimbursed by the insurance company who calculated my monthly benefit incorrectly.

[IndianaGreen]

30. I spent a lot of money to save my dog Buffy

Buffy lived for several years after that, but eventually went to dog Heaven.

It is hard to think of them as pets. They are members of the family and they are spiritual beings. They are our animal companions. I have several cats and one dog.

[mac56]

31. Every nickel I have, if necessary.

My two dogs are my guardian angels. I'm convinced of that.

[xchrom]

34. i am poor and have big medical expences myself

my dog sport and i came down with cancer at the same time at one point and we both went through chemo together.
6 treatments for him -- a thousand bucks a pop. that was when he was 11 -- in january he will turn 15{that's when i found him -- i don't know his actual birthday}. he is part of me -- and i would give anything for my furry friends. their lives are in my care -- and while there might be suffering involved in getting better -- it's my responsibility to advocate for his life as long as i don't bargain for prolonged suffering with no way out.
i tried too hard to save the life of my yorkie and bothers me all the time -- i still would have tried very, very hard to save him -- but would have tried to get a clearer answer sooner. he needed the help of a specialist that i didn't get soon enough -- kidney failure was his problem. but i must tell you i miss him{my feet especially} every day. and that was four years ago.
peace and love to all our dear, loving non-human companions.

[nuxvomica]

35. I would pay what's necessary as long as my pet didn't need to suffer

I don't think I'd go ahead with something like chemo. It's tough on people but unnecessarily cruel on pets. The fact is pets nowadays are easily overmedicated. They get too many vaccines too frequently and prednisone seems to be prescribed willy-nilly, at least in my experience. I would bet many of the serious health issues encountered with pets begin with overmedication or "scientific" commercial diets. Feed your pet good, balanced natural food, give him plenty of exercise and attention, and avoid unnecessary meds and the more serious conditions can probably be avoided.

[amazona]

36. Good Lord

I'm really sorry about your dog.

In answer to your question, $1,500 is out of reach for me to spend for a pet. I am low income. Others who are low income should make sure their vet knows that; some vets seem to have different prices for different people.

[Kamika]

37. nothing

I loved my former cat, but facts are.. animals dont live that long.. and you might aswell just get a new one.. there are tons out there that needs a home

[joeybee12]

38. Talk about heartless

Let me be the first to flame you on that one.

[sangh0]

39. It's not heartless, IMO

IMO what's heartless is spending so much money to maintain your pets pain and anguish. Unlike people, science does have many answers for the health problems of pets, for the simple reason that there isn't much money being spent on investigating how to cure cancer in dogs, etc.

In my experience, when pets start getting the really serious and life-threatening diseases, they get one and then another, and then another. In my experience, curing/treating them for one condition only keeps them alive to suffer another condition in the extremely near future

I might be wrong about this, but it's not because I'm heartless.

[joeybee12]

40. I posted earlier about this, and basically agree that putting a cat/dog

through something like chemo or radiation isn't great--it depends on the prognosis.

But just a blanket statement saying nothing is really heartless. You'd have to spend something just to get the porr thing diagnosed. If you get a pet and aren't willing to open up your pocketbook a bit, you shouldn't have them in the first place.

[Kamika]

46. well ok

Not like you'd be the first to call me heartless

[bratcatinok]

43. nothing

I loved my former coffee cup, but facts are.. cups don't stay pristine very long.. and you might as well just get a new one.. there are tons out there that needs a home.

It's funny how you're statement can transfer to almost any inanimate object.

Thank you for providing food for your cat.

[Kamika]

45. heh well if you change it I'm sure it will fit anything

You know you're not supposed to change a statement.. they're almost the same as a quote.

But let's say that deep down there we find something resembling a point.. I think it's pretty far fetched to say that you love your cup or that there are cups that needs a new home

[VOX]

52. Nothing??? It even costs *something* to have a sick animal euthanized..

I hope you just don't leave your ailing pet by the side of the road!

[corarose]

41. My Poodle had conjestive heart failure and I spent $4,000.00 on him

I got 6 more months of being with my little Dog that I had since High School and I was working at the time and he was worth it.

[joeybee12]

44. Good for you!

[AlienGirl]

47. I pre-authorized $500 for a rat's emergency bill

Jarod was a young rat who'd been healthy until one night he started peeing blood. We raced him to the twenty-four-hour emergency vet in Tacoma. He had lost a lot of blood, and it's almost impossible to do rat blood transfusions, but they tried an artificial blood substitute just to get his pressure up. We left him there overnight with a $500 deposit on future care. Unfortunately he was too sick to make it. :-(

So, at least $500 that I'm sure of. More than likely, as much as I've got.

Tucker

[Myra]

51. You win this thread hands down AlienGirl

But I'm sorry about Jarod.

[Bertha Venation]

48. whatever I could afford

to save a pet, as long as the pet could enjoy its life and move, eat, and eliminate on its own. No suffering allowed.

I have taken two injured stray cats to the emergency vet, too, and told them: fix 'em up, and I'll pay the bill and find them homes.

[regnaD kciN]

50. Last year...

...our then-17-year-old Balinese, Tari, got hepatitis for the second time in her life. We wound up having her in intensive care (yes, they do have such things) at a 24-hour animal hospital for a week or so. We were told early on that she wasn't going to make it, but I've known that cat a lot longer than any of the vets had! Sure enough, a couple of days later, they were wondering at how she could have made such a complete turnaround. However, the bill (which included both our local vet and the hospital and perscription charges) wound up somewhere over $5,000. Tari's now 18 1/2, and I hope she can manage to keep herself healthy at least until I get a new job. Not that I'd begrudge her another five thousand, but without an income, that would leave my credit cards maxed out for some time...

[Don_G]

55. 10K So Far

For a dumb cat....

She was abandon by two previous "owners" and again by my Mom's death and she has been a part of my life for a while; I prefer not to give up my "humanity."

If anyone wants to argue with me, I've had 30+ years in both Customer Service and in Construction.

I'm Fifty, experienced, have a few bucks and you're not....

[Rhiannon12866]

57. My vet bills have been unbelievable

They have even commented on how much I have had to spend at the animal hospital where I have taken them. Rhiannon, Barney and Sheena all had acupuncture and I took Barney, previously, for chiropractic. Would I spend twice what I did if I could still have them with me? In a minute. That's my final answer. You are not alone in this.;(

[RebelOne]

58. I went into heavy debt trying to save my Rottweiler in 1999.

I didn't care what I had to spend to save her, but she died anyway.
She had some type of blood immune deficiency disease.

[Rhiannon12866]

59. I am so sorry. I understand. I have lost both of my dogs in the past year

and it has ripped my heart out. I have also tried alternative medicine, which I would do again. I wanted to help them all I could with the least pain and discomfort. I am hoping that the acupuncture treatments I gave my two dogs made their lives more comfortable. That was my aim and I hang on to that hope.;(

[Myra]

61. Isn't that the worst?

At the time the huge vet bills are part of the stress.
But I never for a second thought I'd lose him until he was gone.
I just knew I'd spend any amount to get him well.
Didn't even occur to me that he wouldn't make it.
Would have much rather had even bigger vet bills and my
very special cat back.

So sorry RebelOne.

[LynneSin]

63. I would never pay that much to keep a pet alive

Which is why I don't own pets anymore. I accept my irresponsiblity with even keeping a damn plant alive. I know better and that's why I enjoy other folks pets but I refuse to own any of my own (I've flirted with the idea of getting a cat - but haven't acted on that impulse yet).

[camero]

64. As much as it takes

Even if it kills me.

[bif]

65. $1.50

I have two cats that I have a love hate relationship with. I used to love cats until I got these two guys.