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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:27 AM
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Pure total crystalline 100% ego thread.
In the last few days, a sideways discussion has been taking place on DU about me. If you, after reading that, have no idea what I am talking about, best you eject now, because the rest of this will be gibberish. If you're like, "Oh yeah, here we go," then read on.

The essence of this discussion has surrounded my ego, my desire to be stroked here on DU, or what have you. Normally, I would let this kind of thing slide, because in the past, engaging in conversations like this as reaped exactly zero benefits. But for some reason, or for no particular reason besides 'I Feel Like It,' I'm gonna babble a bit.

Here's the thing. I discovered DU one afternoon while sitting in a cramped office I shared with four other people during my first year of teaching. Maybe 50 people had heard of 'William Rivers Pitt the writer' that day. That day, I was just another person eating his own guts over the 2000 election, another person out there in the Great Wah with no power to do anything more than scream into my pillow and write essays no one would read.

So I started posting on DU. I became addicted, and posted and posted and posted. I felt weird when I didn't have DU available in a moment's notice. I got into fights with my girlfriend at the time about it because I got up 19 times a night to check LBN. She thought I had a problem. I proved her wrong when I wrote tweo books, including a best-seller translated into twelve languages, on the strength of what I read and learned on DU.

I passed through my second year of teaching, and then my third. I got hired by truthout, and became Managing Editor. My Iraq book got a lot of notice. I put pretty much every essay I wrote, and every important event in this process, up on DU. A lot of people here rallied to me, became allies and supporters and powerful friends.

Did posting all of this on DU help this process? Of course. There are thousands of people who pass through here every day, and a lot of them got to know me. I didn't sign up as 'WilliamPitt' by accident. I had a job to do, information to spread. Was it cynical of me to know this from the get-go? Maybe.

But here's the thing.

I did not start this process to 'get famous,' to enjoy noteriety, to be some cool guy. I have always tried as best I can to get my name as far out there as far and wide as possible. At times, I have been shameless about this. I didn't do this to get well-known.

Here's where the ego comes in: I DID THIS because I believe I can do the job that needs to be done - factual truth-telling to the people - better than pretty much anyone. I'm not trying to get famous for the joy of getting famous. I am doing it because I was born with a sharp knife in my pen, and I can draw arterial blood when I use it.

Why? For the people. For the country. Because I want to die knowing I did some good. Love me, hate me, go fuck yourself, but when they load me into my box, they can put on my tombstone that I moved the pile, changed the discourse, did some good.

And, for the record, lemme tell you the joys of being 'famous.' I have three separate and notable death threats against me, something I think about when I consider getting married or having kids. I have traveled over 40,000 miles throughout this country trying to speak the truth as best I can. Try 5,000 of air miles and cities and airports and hotels, and come talk to me.

I left hanging a good teaching career to do this, hanging on the caprices of one publisher (which went broke before my Iraq book revenues came in, meaning I get no money for my bestseller translated into twelve languages...not one dime), the hopes of another, and the slanted confidence that the truthout servers will last from week to week long enough to pay what I need to eat and live indoors. Teaching was easier.

Do I have an ego? I suppose I do. I have been from one side of the country to the other giving speeches to crowds that size between 50 and 5,000 people. I roar the truth when I speak. Ask around.

Here's a clue: It takes a degree of ego to do this, and do it well, day after day and week after week. Yeah, I have an ego. I need it for the job.

Here's another weird clue: DU is an incredible comfort zone for me. I came here as a newbie, just like anyone else. Nowadays, when I come to post at DU, I don't think of myself as WILLIAM RIVERS PITT, but as just another DUer for the most part. If you don't believe me, ask an old-timer. I'm the same asshole today as I was two years, six months and six days ago, when I first came here. People see me as 'famous' when I post here, and a lot of times I forget that. I have to. Remembering that steals my little comfort zone.

Anyway, that's it. People who think I do what I do to gain gratification for myself miss the point. I was an only child of divorced parents, and I am a voodoo master at self-evaluation from all the time I spent by myself. I know this much: I'm in this for the country, for the democracy, for you, and for my children. I have exactly enough ego to get in front of large crowds and scream the truth as best I can.

I have plenty of faults. Lack of self-awareness isn't one of them. Now, maybe, you know me a bit better.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:29 AM
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1. Well, hell, I support you!
keep on the fighting and the telling of the truth!

And enjoy that lunch with Al. Tell him Rabrrrrrr says hi. He won't know what that means, but since he's a comedian, he might think it's funny and give you a grant or something.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:32 AM
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2. No more teasing about...
stroking your ego. Cross my heart. (No matter how cute and flirty it sounds.) :-)

Drop me a line if you need anything.

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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:36 AM
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3. Doesn't matter if you are all those things
You write with eloquence and passion.
Now go kick some ass.
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:37 AM
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4. Would you fuck me?
I'd fuck me. :silly:

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:47 AM
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11. I'd fuck me so hard...
:)
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:48 AM
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12. Thanks for leaving out the tuck job this time
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:51 AM
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16. We aim to please
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:55 AM
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19. That book scared the hell out of me.
stop showing that photo.....:scared:
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:50 AM
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15. Just make sure...
you give yourself a cuddle when you're done. ;-)
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:54 AM
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18. Thats for the ladies...
Real men do not cuddle...








What........... I keeed I Keeed




































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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:37 AM
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5. Doesn't matter if you are all those things
You write with eloquence and passion.
Now go kick some ass.
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woofless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:39 AM
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6. Just keep it up Bro
and trouble thee not with small minds. I feel certain there are many here that read your work and appreciate it, without bothering to question your psyche. Hang in there.

Woof
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:40 AM
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7. Whatever dude
Can I still tell people that a famous dissident/Author hangs out here with us? See, I think it was the sole reason for a few of my coworkers to come here and check this place out.
:shrug:

P.S. Would you like to pet my monkey?


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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:43 AM
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8. Nunc lento sonitu dicunt, Morieris
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 12:44 AM by SOteric
"...Who casts not up his Eye to the Sunne when it rises? but who takes off his Eye from a Comet when that breakes out? Who bends not his eare to any bell, which upon any occasion rings? but who can remove it from that bell, which is passing a peece of himselfe out of this world? No man is an Iland, intire of it selfe; every man is a peece of the Continent, a part of the maine; if a Clod bee washed away by the Sea, Europe is the lesse, as well as if a Promontorie were, as well as if a Mannor of thy friends or of thine owne were; any mans death diminishes me, because I am involved in Mankinde; And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; It tolls for thee..."

John Donne
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:44 AM
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9. You're still one hell of a guy
I couldn't even begin to imagine what it would be like to be famous. I know all the travel and stuff will really get to you. That, and sometimes people will really raise their expectations of you, like a god amongst men. That, and death threats are dead serious. I could only wonder how many death threats Michael Moore and Molly Ivins must get. I can't imagine how mand I understand though, that it's tough to do it. I suppose having an ego helps, so I guess what i'm saying that it's understandable that you have one. That, and you are a great guy. :)
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:46 AM
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10. A toast to William Rivers Pitt's ego!


:toast:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:49 AM
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13. Your ego is only surpassed by your courage
You and I have had agreements and disagreements but when you set out to make a difference you did.

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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:50 AM
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14. There's no reason why DU shouldn't continue to be a safe haven
We're all DUers here, first. :toast:
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:53 AM
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17. For me, posting on DU is
screaming into the void, in large part. I'm not a radical by any means, my opinions range from somewhat to mostly left of center as far as Democrats go, which makes me hardly an anomaly on DU. I have other places I participate in discussions where I have a higher profile than here, and 'virtual social' connections I maintain that keep me from hanging here every moment, but that's okay.

I'm not persistent or funny or 'whatever' enough to carve out a niche for myself here -- so be it. I'll settle for posting Zappa references in Zomby's threads, searching for odd things Kef wants, helping the site stay up financially as long as Mr. Nownow and I are working, and occasionally sponsoring people who can't afford to get their search privileges on their own at the current moment. That's what being a liberal is really about -- being part of the wall of sound. I do my damnedest to harmonize, and that's the best I have in me.

All that aside, I actually showed up at DU because I'm a 'search junkie,' and I started searching for liberal sites probably three years ago, now. It all started with 'Daily Howler' and 'Bushwatch' and, somewhere between the sElection and June of 2001, I migrated over here. In the interim, I saw one of your essays on a site that has since been mothballed. I think I actually was searching for a particular essay by Will Durst, and somebody had posted one of your articles right beside one of his -- and though I had no idea who you were, I thought it belonged there. Searching on your name brought me to DU, and I've been here a long time, regardless my puny post count.

That was two and a half years ago.

Will, from each according to his ability to each according to his need -- you're able and willing to devote your time and effort to what you're doing, and dammit, I can say with great certainty that I wouldn't give up my marriage and the security of my job to go out and write and pound the pavement to sell books like you do. Maybe I even could -- I've been writing for a long time for my own edification -- but I can't give it all up for that, I don't have it in me. If ego is what it takes to drive somebody to go and do that, well, fuck being pedantic about it -- have the ego. It sounds like you've given up more than enough to get what you've got. I know damned well I couldn't do it, and I'm certainly not going to barbecue you for having it, if that's what it takes.

And you're right about one thing -- other than the fact that you used to post a dope-smokin' smiley as your sort of signature (and that was back when you were still a school teacher), you really haven't changed much. I bet you edit your 'serious' threads more than you did two and a half years ago, but I bet that's about it for the difference. What pisses you off hasn't changed -- and that's a good thing.

Enjoy that lunch with Franken. I don't care what they all say about ya' -- looks like you've earned it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:57 AM
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20. well,will maybe there`s
another writer from here that may join you. plaid adder is writing some really good stuff. she`s dam good and i hope she can get more press. shit will, you have to have an ego to do what you do.hey - "you`re mov`n on up to the eastside",well where ever al lives.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:57 AM
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21. Do you know, there are Certain Parties
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 01:02 AM by kgfnally
who have said the exact- exact, exact, exact same things- about Bev and Co. I'm sure you've noticed this, Will. I know you're a smart guy.

Pay No Attention to the Men Holding the Curtain Shut. They're only trying to discourage you. I know, from experience (as I'm sure you do as well) that sometimes, when you hear enough bad things about you or what you're saying, you might be tempted to believe it.

DON'T. What you post here is far, far too important for one person or a group of people to silence because they're upset you're 'successful', however they may define the term. What matters is that you have somethign important to say, you're bellowing it as loudly as you can, and against all odds you ARE making headway. The fact that there are people here who would deride you based upon your success as they see it is only proof of that. You're telling truth, and Certain Parties don't like it one little bit.

Keep it up, Will. I'm on your side.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 12:59 AM
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22. DU, at its best, should probably be...
... a sounding board for ideas, of all kinds. Keep it to that, and the ego stuff will die away. Yes, I read all the recent threads, but I also read the thread in which you offered a couple of good links to national security history. I think they'll be helpful to me in some of my upcoming research, and my thanks for those.

A forum such as this can create an underlying basis for a cult of personality. The effective response to it, as you've often done, is to concentrate on getting information out and to gauge public response to that information.

Mark Morford mentions you--that's great. Just keep doing the things that have caused that mention and the ego arguments will subside.

Cheers.

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nyrnyr1994 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 03:06 AM
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41. Could you provide the link to the nat'l security history thread?
I'd like to see that as well.
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 04:01 AM
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42. Two of these were mentioned...
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:00 AM
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23. Pure total 100% crystal meth
Sure helps me "leggo my ego". :D
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:04 AM
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24. a-fucking-men!
This guy risked it all, put up with all the bullshit, held his own head to the grindstone, and made things happen.

A big 'fuck-off' to all the whiners out there.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:05 AM
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25. I think we all know what it is
People like to build up "heros" and then knock them down. I don't know why we do it, I just know that we do. Hell, if I knew why I'd write a book and make a mint. :-)

Seriously, I figure it's a commentary on the egos of the people who follow you around the board just to berate you. It's sad that the only way they can make themselves big is to try to cut someone else down.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:09 AM
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30. "No prophet is ever recognised in his own country."
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:05 AM
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26. A definition by Ambrose Bierce: "Egotist, n.
a person of low taste, more interested in himself than me"

Says it all...

You do good work and people listen to and respect you. Congratulations (and a Matcom asscrack) are in order!
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:07 AM
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27. I don't always agree with you
But even then, you say it well. And I've been around long enough to remember your website. *flashback* You posted some kind of screed against Ashcroft, that's my first memory of your writing.

What's up with the navel gazing? You're crackin' me up here. The left needs some big honkin' ego to go round.

DU has helped many of us become better informed and more well-written. Every day I come here, I'm a little smarter, and I could use the help.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:07 AM
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28. You are...
...just fine, Will. Just fine. ;-)

Keep screaming the truth (and writing it, too).
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:09 AM
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29. Comfort zones are important
in some ways you have let us join your interesting journey vicariously. So you have become a "public figure" - outside of DU (which is great!)... simultaneously you moved from being 'normal' at DU to being a public figure who posts at DU. When the comfort zone place and the public figure aspect collide, I would think that it would get a bit cramped and awkward. Posts like this remind us all that you are a 'normal' Duer first (just like all of us - seeking and relishing in this comfortable and familiar/familial place) and a public figure second. There is no way to prevent the periodic collisions. That has got to be a very odd tension and reality that most of us can not fully empathize with/relate to... as it is not our reality. I, for one, am glad that the tension between the two aspects does nothing to dissuade you from remaining one of the gang here. You enrich us, as many DUers do, but you also let us participate a bit (in the sharing of information, ideas, and even feedback on stories) in getting the word out there. I thank you for that.

By the way.. the project I showed you - going gang-busters. Watching a dream morph - even if ever so slowly - into reality... nothing like it.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:10 AM
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31. I can't WAIT
to come work for you some day. :)

Kidding? Maybe. Who's the teacher?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:28 AM
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34. ah... you flatter.
Thanks. You will always have a welcome spot. Keep dreaming big... we will as well... we all have a role to play :D
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:15 AM
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32. Hey, I get it
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 01:15 AM by populistmom
You seemed like a pretty normal guy to me. You just happen to be a normal guy with some extra gonads on a mission. Keep up the good work!
Sometimes people who are consistantly self-aware or self-analyzing can come across as egocentric to those who don't get it. I've had that happen to me on a smaller scale. It's more about trying to realy do the right thing or the best you can or something along those lines.

Sarah
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:25 AM
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33. Young man, I recall two evenings as a newbie here on DU...
One was the night there was a report of a lawyer in a New Mexico Library getting arrested for an off handed remark about the shrubster. Now, I don't know if that turned out to be true or a fabrication, but my first thought was that we have to make sure our 'leaders' (if you will) are protected from capricious law enforcment. I was worried for your well being.

The second night I remember was when you noticed someone outside your flat, evidentualy observing and/or attempting to intimidate you. A bunch of us were online that night and there were lots of suggestions made. We were worried. We knew you were brave enough to put your ass on the line and speak the truth and we knew that was dangerous.

This old woman came to be a fan of William Rivers Pitt via reading Truthout at the suggestion of a fellow online seeker of truth. It took a bit of time for me to notice that you posted here and make the connection. It was somewhat comforting to read you stuff, know you tested it out here at times, kicked things around, asked for input from the wonderful resource which is DU and its members. It was a greater comfort to read some half-assed stupid post you would make. Nice to know the lad is human and multi-faceted.

I came to this place very, very afraid that the great American Experiment was about to come to a dismal end. I did not sleep most nights which was a blessing. Sleep brought horrible visions. There was a time when I was ready to go underground and live as many had to in the 60's. I am not young, not getting healthier and nothing to lose. That makes me a dangerous woman. But I stayed and learned and tried to teach with the tools I gained from you and the many other DUers.

Now, I do sleep and the dreams are better. I see that every pebble dropped into a pond makes ripples and we do not foresee all that we can set in motion. The country is still in danger, but less so because a lot of pebbles have dropped and the waves are getting more notice. You should be proud of the voice you have raised. All evil DUers should be proud of their actions to restore this nation to its people. We are in this together, each according to his/her abilities can help the whole.

And sometimes I really cheer for your mom when she steps up to swat you down once in awhile. Having an offspring about your age, I will root for mom's input. She must be a wonderful woman. The apple did not appear from nowhere. The tree must be a grand one! You would do her disservice to be less than you can be.

Happy Thanksgiving, Will. You and DU have kept the light on in America's window. Folks are coming home.


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:28 AM
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35. You have no idea
how magnificent that tree is.

Thank you.
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LawDem Donating Member (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:36 AM
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36. Ego ain't all bad
There's no inconsistency between fighting for cause and taking pride in your success. I'm no Ayn Rand fan, but in one sense she was right: Ego can be a powerful engine for good.
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:44 AM
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37. WP...
You'z ok in my book. I still owe you a corona for the one you bought me..
Damn that was a good beer. :toast:
Never get down, dude, and keep screaming the truth. Never be silenced.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 01:54 AM
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38. very succinct and transpicuous.....
Edited on Thu Nov-27-03 02:20 AM by jus_the_facts
...wish I could do Stewart Smally quotes with Al Franken...Al Franken! "....'cos your good enough...smart enough...and doggonit...people love you!" :evilgrin:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:43 AM
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39. I have watched you grow as a writer, Will
When I first started reading your stuff, I thought it sounded passionate but somewhat amateurish, sometimes "full of sound and fury signifying nothing...." You were young and in love with the sound of your own voice.

You were also honest, blunt, and wonderfully unapologetic. And usually more fun than staring at cosmic bellybutton lint.

Since you first posted at DU, I have seen your writing grow and develop as you gained command of your own voice. This did not happen overnight. You honed your debating skills on DU and learned to articulate your ideas by defending them.

Today, when I read your words, I remember the discussions and understand the sentiments from which they were forged and tempered. I have vicariously enjoyed the experience of seeing your "ronin" star on the rise. I have cheered, cried, fumed, sputtered, laughed, and drawn comfort from my association with you as well as many others at DU.

Activists at DU have expended enormous energy resisting the occupation government in power. Many of us have witnessed firsthand the power of grassroots action. We are not political neophytes anymore. We have become a powerful force to be reckoned with.

Will...the fact that you keep fighting and speaking out every single day makes you worthy of respect. You have every right to be proud of your achievements.




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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 02:57 AM
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40. All I want to know is if you been on
Celebrity Justice yet? If not, I reccommennd
oh something like a drunk nightclub brohaha
involveing Russel Crow and Paris Hilton.
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Khephra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-03 04:26 AM
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43. I wish I could type a lone letter to you
But I'm sicker than I've ever been. Love ya.
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