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absyntheNsugar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 03:53 PM
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Guns and Roses...ahhhh...the memories
Probably the most politcally incorrect band to ever exist (as far as I remember these guys hit the f'n trifecta - misogynist, racist AND homophobic) but they could play, dammit!

Listening to what was perhaps their greatest album, Appetite for Destruction.

Anyone else like these guys? I think part of the appeal was that there was soo much CRAP out there in the mid-to-late eighties and these came out of whatever penal institution they were from, put out some great music, then started using just as heavy and dissapeared.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 04:29 PM
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1. They really are assholes
But Axel has the epic rock voice and I really LOVE Slash's riffs
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 04:44 PM
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2. They evolved over a few years...
playing the club circuit, which is why that first record was so full of strong numbers. It was a "greatest hits" so far type of record for a band that had been together, forming a tight unit for its short rocket ride and long fall into tabloid hell.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 05:17 PM
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3. I'll tell you what was a real shocker, for me.
I saw them on MTV, a live show they did somewhere around the time 'Appetite for Destruction' was released. We didn't have the album yet, but we were thinking about it because MTV was running the video for 'Jungle' about ninety times a day, and we thought it was more interesting than a lot of the other stuff that was out at the time.

Now, anybody who knows anything at all about GnR knows that unless they were locked in the studio and babysat by a producer, they spent much of their time back then tanked to the gills on a variety of trendy chemical amusements, most of them involving ethyl alcohol or opiates. That live concert was one of the worst musical train wrecks I've ever seen in my life. They played about twelve songs, and Slash's guitar went out of tune long about the second song. He never bothered to tune it. Axl Rose was the only one on the stage who looked like he had any idea where he was.

'Appetite for Destruction' came as something of a shock when we finally bought it and listened to it -- it was a completely different band in the studio than the one we saw live. I recently read in either Mojo or Uncut (both British magazines) that the producer of 'Appetite' told them absolutely no drugs in the studio, and that he preferred that they take it easy when they weren't there, too. He said he knew from experience and rumor that the only way he was going to get anything like a decent album out of them was to cut them off at the door from drugs. I don't know if anybody ever bothered, after that.

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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:09 AM
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16. You've Described My Biggest Problem With Them
And others like them, too!

Perfectly crafted album by a band completely incapable of reproducing that sound on their own. If the "energy and passion" is supposed to be what the band is "really about" then why does the album have to be meticulously recorded and produced? It's either about the energy or the ability. If it's both, then reproduce it live. If it doesn't matter whether they are highly skilled, then don't make the album perfect.

These guys, Nirvana, and many others were guilty of this artistic dishonesty. I like their albums, and then became very disappointed at how unskilled they really were. Major letdowns, one and all.
The Professor
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INTELBYTES Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 06:00 PM
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4. There's A song called "Estranged" on Use Your Illusion II
If it doesn't leave a lump in your throat or a tear in your eye, you probably don't have a soul. In fact, I think I'll put it on now.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 06:15 PM
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5. I LOVED Guns'N'Roses!
"Appetite for Destruction" is such a great album; I still play it fairly frequently. Man, I loved that band, and the whole genre of hard rock that it brought to the forefront in music. I had some great times to that music.
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:15 AM
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9. they were the 1st missing link between......
80's hair bands and 90's grunge...they sounded like no other band out there at the time...almost a punk/metal fusion...there is some brilliat rock on the use your illusion albums...give "dead horse", "dust and bones", "locomotive" or "coma" a listen....2 lyricly different versions of "don't cry"....even as cheesy as "november rain" was, it is still a nice song...too bad they couldn't get their lives in order, the talent was certainly there.....




want to listen to a truely good band that should have been huge...buy a sublime album...any of them...that is a musical tragedy...

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WhoCountsTheVotes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 06:21 PM
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6. Mr. Brownstone, Welcome to the Jungle
those were the only songs I really liked. All that later shite was truly horrendous.
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tarkus Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:52 PM
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7. I'm sorry, but I hate Guns' N' roses.
I am against almost everything that they stand for and don't like their music. I can deal with Rush's awful right- wing lyrics if i concentrate on the music, but with GNR I just can't do that. I am just not a GNR fan, and therefor no one should be.
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:42 AM
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14. Are Rush RW? Didn't know that
but then, I'm not a fan.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:05 AM
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15. Neal Peart Is A HUGE Ayn Rand Believer
Many of his lyrics (and he wrote a LOT of their lyrics) reflect that belief system.

I don't know about the other two guys, though.
The Professor
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:12 AM
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17. He's also an amazing drummer.
:-)
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:47 AM
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19. Agreed. Too Bad He's A Nutjob, Huh?
The Professor
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:06 AM
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8. I've seen everything imaginable...
....pass before these eyes...I've everything that's tangible honey you'd be surprised...I'm a sexual innuendo in this burned out paradise...If you turn on anything you better turn me on to-nite...here I am...your rocketqueen...I might be a lil young but honey I ain't naive..:o
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:05 AM
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10. I used to work with Dilby? Dooby? Dufus? Clark's mother...
...she was awfully nice. :)
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 11:13 AM
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18. Gilby
His name is Gilby Clark. Check out his version of the Stones classic 'Dead Flowers' with Axl on backing vocals. Top tune.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:07 AM
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11. My nickname used to be Slash...I had one of the ridiculous spiral
perms with the hair hanging over one eye...Blech.
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:17 AM
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12. Saw them in Dallas years ago at an outdoor festival
They sounded like shit. Axel made quite a few disparaging remarks about Dallas "queers", yet he was curiously dressed in chaps with his arse exposed. One of my male friends, who worshipped GnR, had brought along binoculars to catch their act and upon his glimpse of the full moon, threw them down disgustedly and drank himself into a stupor. (btw, he had laughed heartily at the homophobe jokes....}()

On the plus side I like Slash's gee-tar playin'.
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rjbcar27 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-03 10:40 AM
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13. The greatest AFAIC! Awesome band.
Fucked up singer, but I still love them.
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