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hussar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:50 PM
Original message
Poll question: Do you have a crush on someone here at DU?
There are so many attractive DU'ers that have posted pics of themselves, do you have a secret crush?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:52 PM
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1. Didn't you read my Matcom post?
Just jokin. Nope I'm "crush free"
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:56 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Awwwwww, and here I was hoping
you'd have a crush on ME so that my immigration to Canada would go a lot more smoothly next year! Sheesh, just when you think ya really know someone!!! Guess you got something against us old broads, huh?
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:58 PM
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5. You seriously moving here next year?
You may have told me before but there are so many DUers that say that I get confused....
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
11. Yes I am, if Shrub is
elected next year, maybe even if he isn't. I've already begun researching possible jobs as well as the immigration standards and procedures.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. cool
hope it works out
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:56 PM
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2. No but there is someone who intrigues me!
No pictures though, I don't go on those threads and would certainly not post a picture of myself. But then again, my criteria has always been that of the intellectual, anyway.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #2
25. amendment: It's not WILL!
No offense Will but you're not my type. Great writer as you may be, just not my type, that's all.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:19 AM
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37. but by default... it HAS to be Will...
ala the post "We are ALL Will Pitt"... from the early days when some freepers thought that all DUers were Will Pitt and his alter egos answering himself... because there just couldn't be so many liberals... you know.

So accordingly... any crush on a Duer... has to be about Will ;-)
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:22 AM
Response to Reply #37
58. Well , er , oh but see, er, um I am...
By the logic I'm Will and I am intrigued by myself, er....right! No see I think you're really Will indisguise or you wouldn't have answered to this p..o..s..t. Yeah that's right!;-)
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #58
62. If we are all Will Pitt, then everybody has a crush on everybody else
After all he is an egotistic narcissistic bastard :evilgrin:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #62
74. And here I thought he was the Walrus
and I still have a crush on NSMA but it's intellectual and pristine like blue glacier ice on a July day :hug:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #74
79. LOL! *blush*
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #58
69. well...
according to those early freepers... you would be correct, both in that you are will, expressing a fascination with yourself, and that I, in responding, am Will because I answered this post. Now the question is whether Will is really an alterego of Skinner... and we are all embodiments of Skinner.... :D
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hussar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:57 PM
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4. OK I've got a couple
but how do you reveal the truth?
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #4
9. PM them. That way,
it'll be private and if you don't get a reply from them, or if you get a "thanks, but no thanks", you'll at least know where you stand. And if you get a positive reply from them, well then, you can go on from there!
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hussar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Mmmmmm
good point!
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 10:59 PM
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6. No crushes here
and I don't think anyone has one on me either.


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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #6
7. not if you're the guy on the bottom left
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. LOL!!
Well, I'm not anyone of those guys...


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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #6
13. Hey, aren't you married
anyway? Of course, maybe I've got you mixed up with another DUer!
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FarLeftRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:13 PM
Response to Reply #13
18. No, I'm not married.
Still single after all these years.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:20 PM
Original message
Hey, I've
been single all my adult life, and there are, indeed, worse things in life!
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:03 PM
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8. Legally...
Edited on Sat Nov-29-03 11:11 PM by populistmom
We're both still married and not even supposed to have a crush, but it's still there regardless, and before we ever saw any pictures either (not that I should even be saying this, but oh well). I heard once though they're called crushes because in the end, you just end up feeling crushed. Probably better we live far away right now.
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. UH....
Kind of juicy! Hope it works out well for you! I sometimes think people give into caution where there should not be any and the same goes for the over used, often cited, DUTY. Tis a pity in my book.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:35 AM
Response to Reply #14
42. Juicy?
We'll see I guess. :evilgrin:



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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #8
27. SIGH. Why does it
always seem like married/attached people have no trouble at all meeting others, and those of us who are single seem to have a lot more trouble meeting people? At least, that's the way it seems to me!:shrug:
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #27
28. Because we've already proven our insanity by getting married
So we take more chances sometimes because of that same insanity. Although still, populistmom remains an O8) and perpetually a good, decent wife as always.
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NightTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #27
91. Couldn't agree more!

Of course, it would help if I had a job that allowed me to have a fucking life!

Oh, well. At least I'm attempting to rectify that situation....
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:11 PM
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15. I wonder how long it will be before someone
reveals their "crush" on Will Pitt. Not that it matters, because there are about six thousand gals ahead of them, lol! Isn't he engaged, anyway? I thought I read something where he was, maybe I read it wrong.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:16 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. I used to have a crush on Will Pitt
I'll admit it. I had been on DU for awhile, but at the time wasn't posting as much yet. I was on vacation in New Hampshire, turned on CSpan and there he was speaking in San Francisco at Veterans for Peace I think. My immediate reaction was a big "hubba hubba". Then I met him LOL! (Will, you still are a cutie though!)
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:23 AM
Response to Reply #19
39. Hold my Orange Crush...
Edited on Sun Nov-30-03 12:27 AM by Paragon
...but DON'T drink it!

I admit, I have a crush on Will Pitt --

Would you fuck me? I'd fuck me.
:D (I never get tired of saying that.)



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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #39
44. Are you talking to me or Will Pitt?
:shrug:
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Sorry
Lame "Silence of the Lambs" joke he started a couple of nights ago. I assumed he'd respond to your thread.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #46
47. Good
because man, oh man, I'm having enough to handle as it is. I've had enough admirers these days, both real and virtual. O8)
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:58 AM
Response to Reply #47
51. Gee, sounds horrible.
;-)
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 07:50 PM
Response to Reply #51
84. Actually
The only thing worse than being frustrated and single is being frustrated and not single (and not wanting to hurt someone else by making selfish decisions). Then, to have someone express an interest in you (who's pretty interesting too) on top of it. It isn't easy really. I guess I should consider myself lucky in many respects. I do, but I'm still glad it was a joke with Will nevertheless.

(As populistmom covers her eyes because she's revealed too much here once again.)
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:09 AM
Response to Reply #44
55. LOL!
Just struck me as funny.

But I knew what he was talking about. :D
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:11 PM
Response to Original message
16. No and I hope nobody ever gets a crush on me
I can't cope with admiration. Please hate me.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Done and done
:evilgrin:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. *sigh*
another fool that must want me bad.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
57. Can't you feel the hate flowing?
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaate...........haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate bwahahahahahahahaha :evilgrin:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:25 AM
Response to Reply #57
59. You are just such a bust!
:eyes: That's what they all say as they cling to their hopes of ever having me near!
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sistersofmercy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. Oh....
that can't be good!
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #16
48. I admire you NSMA (too bad)
You admirable types just have it rough, don't you?

:silly:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:48 AM
Response to Reply #48
49. Well
I was really just being an ass..but I really can't handle too much love

Thanks though *sniff* I'm not worthy!
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:18 PM
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20. Yes and I feel kinda stupid
Edited on Sat Nov-29-03 11:25 PM by Lizz612
Just 'cause I'm young and stupid and confused in general. I have enough stupid confusion about crushes et al. in the physical world around me. So this little crush is just stupid. How do you get it out of your head?

(Needs stupid repeated a few more times: Stupid Chimp in stupid DC making stupid laws, givng stupid tax cuts, and stupid wars. Sorry, its past my bed time. Stupid bed time.)
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PSU84 Donating Member (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #20
40. Columbine...
...is my favorite flower! :)
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chefgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:20 PM
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22. Same answer I gave in the 'ignore' thread
I really couldnt be bothered.
I have been in a somewhat serious 'online' relationship in the past. When it ended and I thought back on it, I couldnt believe how ridiculous the whole concept seemed to me. Never again.
The people you meet online are real enough, but the situations never are, so IMO you really cant trust feelings you might have based on an incomplete picture.
If I were to meet a fellow DU'er and THEN found I had a crush, though, that would be completely different.

-chef-
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:21 PM
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23. There are many fine young men on DU (definition of young: "under age 75")
And they all make me wish I was 20 again. However, I already have a perfectly good, well-trained man and have no idea what I would do with another.

There are also several women on DU that make me wish I was straight, younger and unattached. Unfortunately, I'm "none of the above".

Yeah, I'm sure I have "crushes". Who doesn't? However, I have what I want in life, and want what I have, so life is already as good as it ever gets. Why mess with perfection?

Still, I've always had a rich fantasy life!
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:34 PM
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29. Yep and I am not telling
:)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. Aw, come on, John,
not even just a teensy-weensy. itty-bitty hint?
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. huh I said I do but I aint sayin nothing
Fine if you wanna know you can PM me.
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:00 AM
Response to Reply #29
65. Oh, why not...?
I mean, we all figured it out a long time ago! It was just so obvious!

:evilgrin:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:03 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. Oh my god you guys would never guess
besides I am not telling!
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 09:36 PM
Response to Reply #66
88. Don't worry, Kleeb, you don't have to tell.
I won't tattle on you either, but I bet I can guess who it is! ;)
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:41 PM
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32. I have made two lifelong friends on DU. As well as other friends.
Spent my vacation this year with one. He will be my friend for life and I had a great time.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:52 PM
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33. I have a CRUSH on my husband
and hes on DU....his name is Hogarth, and hes the kindest and most gentle man I have ever known in my life. He posts on here occassionally...I adore him, and I will grow old with him. Forever, I love you dear.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-03 11:55 PM
Response to Reply #33
34. I'm jealous
You're a lucky woman to have that together. :)
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ronzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:53 AM
Response to Reply #33
50. Awesome!
Isn't it great when you still have a crush on your spouse?

I can relate... I'm married to a DUer, too and. I still have a crush on her.
(The luckiest folks are married to their best friend.)

I'll drink to that.:)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:07 AM
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35. oneighty
YES INDEED. :*
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #35
36. I have a crush on an older person too but heh not in that proportion
Shes just older than me but not disproportionally.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:21 AM
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38. Skinner, of course!
spank me, spank me!

...oh sorry, no sex threads.

:)

just teasing...

and smooches, Skinner, whoever you are.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:30 AM
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41. I have a few....
And no, I'm not telling, and besides, I think some of them don't like boys...
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:36 AM
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43. yep
KadeCarrion. She kind of has an idea, because I tell her every night before we turn off the lights. :-)
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 12:37 AM
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45. Yep
Two, actually.
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leftist_rebel1569 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:02 AM
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52. Yeah, I do
She's a really great person. It was totally worthwhile to come to DU just to have the pleasure of meeting her. But, I won't go overboard with complements. :)
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:04 AM
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53. well after that "share your pics thread"
I guess I now have a thing for padraig18 and his boy Tony :-)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:07 AM
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54. Oh Yes!
Tee hee.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #54
71. Ahnold!
Who do you have a crush on?
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MaryBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:11 AM
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56. Several . . .
Jack Rabbit, Will Pitt, Terwilliger, Arcane1, Brother Buzz, WillyT . . .
:grouphug:
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AlienGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:39 AM
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60. Yep, I do!
The lucky(?) DUer knows who he is...

Tucker
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Mr. Brown of MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:40 AM
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61. Mine can be guessed
But I'm not telling. :P

-CollegeDude
True to style
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #61
72. Tell!
I want to know :D
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Mr. Brown of MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:40 PM
Response to Reply #72
78. Nope!
It's not you, and that's all I'm going to say! ;)

-CollegeDude
For now, at least
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. of course it isn't me!
but what about the other 30,000+ DUers?! :D come on, i'll tell you mine
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Mr. Brown of MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. I already know yours
Or at least, I can guess well enough, so no deal. :)

-CollegeDude
Obstinate from time to time
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #81
89. YOU KNOW?
how? jeeze i can't keep any secrets around here
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 01:45 AM
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63. Oh yes! The list is long and distinguished!
:-)
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7th_Sephiroth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 03:44 AM
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64. she knows it
i flirt alot with her in private messages
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:29 PM
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67. SIGH. And I was SO hoping
I would discover a secret crush through this thread! Always a bridesmaid, DEEP SIGH. Oh, well, time to (sniffle) go back to doing (sniffle, sniffle) my legal research project (pout, sniffle) for work. FINAL BIG SIGH!
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:31 PM
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68. Lust for, yes, but crush, no...
:evilgrin:
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 04:33 PM
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70. Yeah
yeah. and he knows.
and it hurts.
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The Zanti Regent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 05:48 PM
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73. I love all those viagra spams you send me...
SARCASM MODE NOW OFF
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:34 PM
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75. Yes...
and I suppose she already knows. :D
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dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:38 PM
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76. Yes. But It's NOT a Match
My secret crushes are always inappropriate. If I were to announce the news, this person would not be pleased. <sigh>
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 06:38 PM
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77. bluestateguy...if that is his pic at the bottom of his posts
:loveya: SMITTEN
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mlawson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 07:36 PM
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82. Um, you might not like this, but
that picture is Wesley Clark, probably in Vietnam.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:10 PM
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85. really .....than i guess i have had two wild dreams about wesley last week
:7
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 07:42 PM
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83. No, but sometimes I feel crushed here in the lounge...
;) Just kidding. I love you all, and if my beloved darling husband keeps falling asleep on the couch while watching Star Trek...who knows what could happen...:evilgrin:
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:42 PM
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86. yes.
several actually.

so many smart, attractive, sexy leftist babes, so little time. :)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 08:43 PM
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87. I know who one of em is
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Leftist78 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 10:10 PM
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90. hmm...maybe
and I need a crush FROM someone. I'm so terribly lonely :cry: jk
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Devoir Donating Member (151 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-03 10:26 PM
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92. I do. It's LiberalHistorian.
I also kind of like CatWoman and Skittles. What can I say? My mother was cranky and cussed a bit, too.
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